Input for Military 2.

Not carbon fiber, at least not thesame cf spyderco used in the past. Not grippy enough, though the other changes to military c sound right on.

make it happen Carlos;--)>
 
Carlos said:
Afer reading this thread, instead of Military 2, how about...

[cue dramatic theme music]


MILITARY C


Compression Lock
Carbon filber scales (textured)
Coated, non-stainlesss CPM steel (M4, 3V, or whatever is the best!)
Compact, with slightly shortened scales to eliminate scale overbite vs. the closed blade's length (1/2"?), and to tighten the ergos

plus

Dual nested skeletonized liners
4-way clip mounting
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That would be perfect!
 
Carlos said:
Afer reading this thread, instead of Military 2, how about...

[cue dramatic theme music]


MILITARY C


Compression Lock
Carbon filber scales (textured)
Coated, non-stainlesss CPM steel (M4, 3V, or whatever is the best!)
Compact, with slightly shortened scales to eliminate scale overbite vs. the closed blade's length (1/2"?), and to tighten the ergos

plus

Dual nested skeletonized liners
4-way clip mounting
Click to expand...
you had me till M4
that would be a deal braker
cpm3v is fast becoming a steel i like. i like working with it and using it
now how bout just a little more of a leaf shape to the blade not much mind you just a little
 
butcher_block said:
you had me till M4
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Would you care to give your opinion and experience with M4 vs. 3V, et al?

I'm still pretty green on a lot of these.
 
Partially answering my own question...


cpm3vcompgraph.gif


From the Crucible website.
 
OK, what I want to see is a Spyderco rlease something like this:

Carbon fiber, Compression lock, Coated 3v, Culmination

Introducing the Spyderco C-4.

Created from the best selling and much praised military and para-military models and from much excellent input from real world users (thats us) The Spyderco C-4 is the sleekest, sexiest, Sharpest thing going. Its like you took a military and made its lock stronger and its steel sharper and dressed it up in super durable, ultra modern, ergonomic duds;-)>

Personally I still thik g10 feels better then CF but if ya can texture it then ok. Spydies ergos are good enough so it doesn't seem to make that much difference.

just a few more cents from me.
 
The CF Military run will be "peel ply" carbon fiber, with texture like G10. Once that is out we will see how we like textured CF. In the end, I think that with the price premium that CF commands, that we'll end up preferring G10, or maybe even Micarta. What's that Micarta that Chris Reeve uses on his Green Beret fixed blade? That could be cool.

Looking at the knife steel chart, I can see why 3V would be the steel of choice for a fixed blade, especially one used for heavy chopping. But it looks like M4 has a compromise that might be better suited to a folder. Has anyone actually used M4 in a knife? Has anyone here tried it?
 
my only concern about M4 is machinability, ie ease of sharpening. With wear resistance that high it might be a real bear, especially at high hardness. If sal says it's as easy to sharpen as S30v then i'll go for it. A lot of people have had excellent experiences with CPM 3v, especially with fehrman and chris reeve.

If it holds a better edge than d2 or A2, that's still damn good edge holding. Also, with the additional "toughness" I'd assume the tendency for edge fractures would go down, increasing ease of sharpening.

Either one is fine with me, but my preference would be 3V over M4. I don't know enough about the new three number steels to have a preference.
 
Carlos said:
Partially answering my own question...


cpm3vcompgraph.gif


From the Crucible website.
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take a look at cpm9v
if im not going to have a stainless blade i ll go with 9V
tougher then s30v and more ware resistance to boot. yep im not right in the head ;)
but i think i would figger on sal using s30v or the like maybe we could talk him into a sprint of something wild later down the road
 
I don't think sharpening is an issue.

Sharpening a knife and dulling a knife is the same action at different angles. The steel doesn't know the difference. ;)

sal
 
If it were strictly my call I'd do a Military exactly as is, but with an S90V plain edge blade. I'd remove "MILITARY" from the blade and, in it's place, etch in fine print either "S90V" or "420V". That would bring a tear to my eye. I would tumble for you and declare you a wonderful man.
 
Make it half-price for active duty MILITARY!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and add a low-riding, non-skid clip.
 
Keep the G-10 and use a plunge lock. That would be cool. I'm not a big fan of $30V, but it makes no difference to me because I'm ordering my Military fully serrated. I don't sharpen the serrations, someone else does it for me.:) Please, no BG-42. I love 154Cm and VG-10.
 
xChris said:
Lock: Compression or Ball -- both Spyderco designs & appropriate for a "flagship" design. Not a lockback which would close in the handle-- making cleaning more difficult, thicker & heavier knife.

Scales: G-10 or Micarta (canvas grade) to maintain a high level of grip. Gray (~40% tone) to better match across all of the Armed Forces' new uniforms (digitized patterns, etc.)

Blade Steel: Non-coated = CPM-S125V, coated (DLC) = CPM M4
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No point in retyping good suggestions.:thumbup:
 
Thanx again for the input.

The Military (as a linerlock) is still being refined incrementally.

We'll be playing with the jimping behind the hole.
We'll be adding jimping to the finger choil.
We're still playing with carbon fiber versions in the rougher texture like
the current CF Mili.

The Mili2 would be the same basic concept and a similar pattern (shape).

Questions we're studying:

Locks:
Compression lock - either integral or with scales
Ball Bearing lock with BB holder like the "Pickle".
Stop-Lock' now in development

We probably wouldn't use a lock-back. Size/Weight is a major factor.
We probably wouldn't use an Reeve style integral linerlock as the
Compression lock offers greater reliability and strength, IMO.

Dual nested skeletonized liners planned, again, light weight is a major factor.

4 way clip is a must.

While we'll retain the full flat, there is some question about strengthing
the tip like the new End/Del 4's?

The "Military" has already been replaced by the "bug".

A more economical model could be made with FRN scales?

Steel would probably be among the best performers and we'd probably stick with a stainless. CPM non stainless steels like 3V & M4 have a greater advantage on a larger blade used for chopping or impact, but low maintenance is a major factor for the "spirit" of this design.

Hi Eastern Blade

S90V is dear to my heart as well, but first I'd like to see what happens with the S125V Native Sprint coming up. One of the two would be my preference.

Thanx again for sharing your thoughts.

sal
 
I carried my Mili all day today thinking I might see an aspect that needed improving. No luck, it seems to be an ideal big knife. Changing things will make it different not better IMHO.
 
Make it bigger!!! 5" blade ala cuda maxx, and use best possible blade steel...
and whatever you do PLEASE NO FRN!!!!!!
 
Sal Glesser said:
Locks:
Compression lock - either integral or with scales
Ball Bearing lock with BB holder like the "Pickle".
Stop-Lock' now in development

sal
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suggestion way outta left field-I wouldn't call it the Stop-Lock, at least on a knife called Military. First thing I thought was stop loss. :(

I think the new tip profile would be good on the Millie, and would prefer the compression over the ball bearing (that'll be on my pickle :D )
 
The lack of a compression lock is the only reason I don't own a Millie. This is a fantastically tough, quick lock that is still easy to disengage(just not accidentally). I think it puts the much lauded Axis lock to shame, actually.
 
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