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I'm a regular over at knifeforums.com with over 1300 posts, mainly the Randall and Military forums.
It is rather interesting that the OSF guys are more into vegetable cutting and reading their 'wonderful' outdoor books, they seem to praise the Nessmuck guy quite a lot. It being as it is, the OSF deals more in the traditional style of outdoor being, going back to the primitive ways as much as they will allow themselves to. I don't particularly see anything wrong with that, however the Busse resentment I don't understand.
Guess it seems that they want to keep the OSF forum based on historical blades that have been romantically written about in many literary works, both fiction and non.
I don't really care how the Busse knives look ( although a cosmetic standard should be set )... that's what my Randalls have been for. As long as Busse keeps coming out with different models every so often to keep my taste alive, don't back down on their warranty, I'll will break my piggy bank to own at least one, the Tank Buster seems to be the winner in my book so far.
Radomvis
It is rather interesting that the OSF guys are more into vegetable cutting and reading their 'wonderful' outdoor books, they seem to praise the Nessmuck guy quite a lot. It being as it is, the OSF deals more in the traditional style of outdoor being, going back to the primitive ways as much as they will allow themselves to. I don't particularly see anything wrong with that, however the Busse resentment I don't understand.
Guess it seems that they want to keep the OSF forum based on historical blades that have been romantically written about in many literary works, both fiction and non.
I don't really care how the Busse knives look ( although a cosmetic standard should be set )... that's what my Randalls have been for. As long as Busse keeps coming out with different models every so often to keep my taste alive, don't back down on their warranty, I'll will break my piggy bank to own at least one, the Tank Buster seems to be the winner in my book so far.
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Radomvis,
I just think that the situation over there at the OSF is unfortunate. If they are there to discuss historically accurate bladeware of a certain era, then maybe they should say so. Any way, the Tank Buster is an awesome looking blade. I can't wait to get one for the collection. The one I got to handle at blade was impressive. I had a Randal Fireman's knife and I sort of wish I hand't sold it. It sure was pretty, but that is water under the bridge. I guess my Anorexic Badger will have to do.
I just think that the situation over there at the OSF is unfortunate. If they are there to discuss historically accurate bladeware of a certain era, then maybe they should say so. Any way, the Tank Buster is an awesome looking blade. I can't wait to get one for the collection. The one I got to handle at blade was impressive. I had a Randal Fireman's knife and I sort of wish I hand't sold it. It sure was pretty, but that is water under the bridge. I guess my Anorexic Badger will have to do.
Well my 2 cents as if anyone cares is this. I have read that particular thread, and i do get the idea of what they are talking about. I do feel the anti-busse vibe there and i don't feel good about that, but i do get the general idea.
I don't live in an area that needs 110 % from a knife every day, i don't decend from helicopters or kick in doors to save lives, and i probably don't need a knife that will take that kind of punishment. I do however like being prepared.
If i need to chop down a tree i'l bring an axe. If i need to whittle a stick i'll bring a whittling knife. If i need to gut a fish i'll bring my filet knife. But in a case where i might be up the creek and have only one knife instead of a particular tool designed for that cutting/chopping task i'd like one that can pry, be pushed, prodded, hammered or forced into service to a task it was never designed for and expect it to live to be useful another day.
Basically i'm a knife user, not a knife abuser (spearhead didn't hear that). Most often i find myself getting by with a sak. I'm sure i could get by with a $20 fixed blade knife for most things i do if i had to. I do however like bullet proof equip though i may never put it to the test it's a comforting thought to know it's there.
I do understand the gripes about fit/finish and the thinness of the E- handle slabs and the thickness of the blades not being optimal for certain tasks i also am not thrilled with the asymetrical edge but i thought i'd give it a try. I happen to like my SH2 handle with the smooth canvas micarta slabs better than the E handle ones. I do understand that if i ground the edge a bit thinner or in a diffrent configuration it might be better suited to diffrent or more varied cutting chores at a sacfafice of edge strenght.
Busse knives are a bit on the expensive side for what i use a knife for, but like i said, i like being prepared and you never know what you might have to deal with. If other people don't follow my train of thought it wouldn't be the first time, and i'm not here to change someone elses mind.
I do own diffrent kinds/brands of knives for diffrent tasks. I use them for whichever one they are best suited to. I think that is the spirit of what the guys on the other forum are refering to. I'm sure i could buy half a dozen good knifes for the cost of one busse knife. I'm also pretty sure if i had to pry open a car door, chop my way thru anything tougher than tree limbs or any other task you would never imagine yourself having to do, i'd rather have a busse.
(If nothing else if you buy a busse knife i think jerry has to buy you a beer when you first meet him in person like at blade west hint hint)
I don't live in an area that needs 110 % from a knife every day, i don't decend from helicopters or kick in doors to save lives, and i probably don't need a knife that will take that kind of punishment. I do however like being prepared.
If i need to chop down a tree i'l bring an axe. If i need to whittle a stick i'll bring a whittling knife. If i need to gut a fish i'll bring my filet knife. But in a case where i might be up the creek and have only one knife instead of a particular tool designed for that cutting/chopping task i'd like one that can pry, be pushed, prodded, hammered or forced into service to a task it was never designed for and expect it to live to be useful another day.
Basically i'm a knife user, not a knife abuser (spearhead didn't hear that). Most often i find myself getting by with a sak. I'm sure i could get by with a $20 fixed blade knife for most things i do if i had to. I do however like bullet proof equip though i may never put it to the test it's a comforting thought to know it's there.
I do understand the gripes about fit/finish and the thinness of the E- handle slabs and the thickness of the blades not being optimal for certain tasks i also am not thrilled with the asymetrical edge but i thought i'd give it a try. I happen to like my SH2 handle with the smooth canvas micarta slabs better than the E handle ones. I do understand that if i ground the edge a bit thinner or in a diffrent configuration it might be better suited to diffrent or more varied cutting chores at a sacfafice of edge strenght.
Busse knives are a bit on the expensive side for what i use a knife for, but like i said, i like being prepared and you never know what you might have to deal with. If other people don't follow my train of thought it wouldn't be the first time, and i'm not here to change someone elses mind.
I do own diffrent kinds/brands of knives for diffrent tasks. I use them for whichever one they are best suited to. I think that is the spirit of what the guys on the other forum are refering to. I'm sure i could buy half a dozen good knifes for the cost of one busse knife. I'm also pretty sure if i had to pry open a car door, chop my way thru anything tougher than tree limbs or any other task you would never imagine yourself having to do, i'd rather have a busse.
(If nothing else if you buy a busse knife i think jerry has to buy you a beer when you first meet him in person like at blade west hint hint)
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I don't get my shorts in a bunch over stuff like this. I suspect that most of the folks over there are "Keyboard Kommandos" and "wannabes".
I find that it's best just to ignore them.
I own Busse knives because they are cool and I am confident that they will not fail, but 99.9% of any cutting I do is with a small Sebenza or TNT. I like to have a big knife around if I need it, but I suspect that if I ever get into a dire situation I will have to depend on the smaller knives.
"Non illegitimus carborundum" or something like that.
I find that it's best just to ignore them.
I own Busse knives because they are cool and I am confident that they will not fail, but 99.9% of any cutting I do is with a small Sebenza or TNT. I like to have a big knife around if I need it, but I suspect that if I ever get into a dire situation I will have to depend on the smaller knives.
"Non illegitimus carborundum" or something like that.
I have several knives which are more suited for a specific, narrowly defined task than my Busses. If I need to skin a deer, I have a skinning knife in the truck. If I need to fillet a fish I have a fillet knife in the tackle box. If I need to peel an apple I have a paring knife in the kitchen. If I need to chop up a stump I can usually get my hands on my axe. If I need to prune I have loping shears.
However, when I am hunting, fishing, or just driving in my car or truck, the first knife at hand is a Busse. Why? Because you can't schedule an emergency. And when an emergency does occur, who wants to have on hand the absolute minimal tool with which to cope? When an emergency occurs, who worries about $300? The Busse will do more things better than any other knife I know about. Period.
However, when I am hunting, fishing, or just driving in my car or truck, the first knife at hand is a Busse. Why? Because you can't schedule an emergency. And when an emergency does occur, who wants to have on hand the absolute minimal tool with which to cope? When an emergency occurs, who worries about $300? The Busse will do more things better than any other knife I know about. Period.
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I wonder how many of the people who think Busses are perfect have actually used one hard
May be there are some, but I think it's much less than other brand users in the same class.That's where real feedback comes from, too...people who use them in real life, and talk straight, as opposed to yuppie cheerleaders who think the "right knife" is their favorite brand name,
I don't really follow OSD forum, but in that particular thread I harldy see any real life feedback. Too few objective posts. Except the thick edge complaint, and according to some posters Busse knives won't slice at all, which IMHO is far from real life feedback
How well it will slice is a different matter and depepnds to what you compare. regardless of the intended use.
I think this is an important aspect. I wouldn't expect too thin edge on the combat knife. I myself thin down edges on smaller Busses, but not on BM. For one I am not as experienced. I mean thin edge on a large blade such as BM requires a lot more skill from the user, during chopping and other heavy duty uses. I am sure there are experts out there who can do it very well, but not me.
If that's the case one could order the knife with a thinner edge, or reprofile it himself. But if those knives were produced with the thin edges as default configuration there would be a lot more complaints I think.
Couple years ago I've thinned down the edge on my CRK PJII, made a lot better slicer, improvement was significant and I liked it. Except 1st time I've chopped with it, I realized I've gone too far, the edge was badly deformed, rolled, chipped. Next day I've reprofiled the edge with a thicker bevel.
Other posts are, donno what to call it. That allegation that SRK uses O1 not 52100 it funny. Why would SRK misgude users? Both are known as good cutlery steels, why would anyone use one and claim another, imho
that was ridiculos.
And closer to the end it goes down to - "we don't like Busse knives and go away from this forum"??? No one is/was forcing anybody over there as far as I am concerned, but just to post your positive experience with Busse knives causes very negative reaction. I don't believe that's the way "straight talking" people act.
Just my 0.02$
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Warning! This is going to be one of SpearHead's Serious Posts. If you have a fragile ego or an artificially inflated opinion of yourself and your knife experience you may want to bypass this post!
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You know... it's funny. I see stuff like this and I read it and I always come away thinking "what a bunch of uninformed idiots ".
Not to be too abrasive ... yeah, I'd hate to hurt anyone's feelings... but, the guys over there attempting to pass themselves off as authorities seem... how shall I say... a little soft. You know... like marshmallows.
I base that observation on my experiences using knives, surviving situations no sane person would ever find themselves in, breaking knives doing everything from the mundane to the extraordinary, fighting with knives, and talking with others who have done all of the above and who's opinions I respect in such matters.
As a rule, I place very little value on the opinions of "internet experts". But, every once in a while, you will read an opinion by a guy on a forum like these that has the ring of truth, experience, and sincerity. Generally, when you stumble upon one of these gems, they are surrounded by a lot of internet tripe and the poster will state his position once, with clarity and brevity, and leave it at that. Those who are able to see it for what it is will benefit from it and those who cannot will not. That is the way it works. In fact, my experience has been that all guys educated by difficult and hard won experience will say things very few times and if you are to actually get anything of value from them you need to watch them more closely than you listen to them. To make a potentially lengthy rant rather brief... none of those over there that are making post after post about the deficiencies they have found in Busse Combat Knives are posting anything that has an "experienced" flavor to it. Oddly, the real deal guys will generally not belabor a point, regardless of his position, either pro or con. YMMV.
Always keep in mind boys and girls, the internet is, ultimately a toy. An expensive, enjoyable, elaborate, and potentially beneficial/detrimental tool of a toy, to be sure, but ultimately... a toy. Take all this with a grain of salt. For the most part, the internet has made it very easy for anyone with an opinion to express it and attach whatever validity to it he/she so desires. Opinions are like... well... elbows. We all have them and it is not acceptable behaviour to swing them around in a crowded room.
My point...? Ig nore the verbose, loud-mouthed yahoos. Take some time to watch for the informed post made by a guy who has been around a bit and you will gain more information about the real world than from any hundred of other internet forum threads. Regardless of topic.
BTW, Busse Knives Rock.
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You know... it's funny. I see stuff like this and I read it and I always come away thinking "what a bunch of uninformed idiots
".Not to be too abrasive ... yeah, I'd hate to hurt anyone's feelings... but, the guys over there attempting to pass themselves off as authorities seem... how shall I say... a little soft. You know... like marshmallows.
I base that observation on my experiences using knives, surviving situations no sane person would ever find themselves in, breaking knives doing everything from the mundane to the extraordinary, fighting with knives, and talking with others who have done all of the above and who's opinions I respect in such matters.
As a rule, I place very little value on the opinions of "internet experts". But, every once in a while, you will read an opinion by a guy on a forum like these that has the ring of truth, experience, and sincerity. Generally, when you stumble upon one of these gems, they are surrounded by a lot of internet tripe and the poster will state his position once, with clarity and brevity, and leave it at that. Those who are able to see it for what it is will benefit from it and those who cannot will not. That is the way it works. In fact, my experience has been that all guys educated by difficult and hard won experience will say things very few times and if you are to actually get anything of value from them you need to watch them more closely than you listen to them. To make a potentially lengthy rant rather brief... none of those over there that are making post after post about the deficiencies they have found in Busse Combat Knives are posting anything that has an "experienced" flavor to it. Oddly, the real deal guys will generally not belabor a point, regardless of his position, either pro or con. YMMV.
Always keep in mind boys and girls, the internet is, ultimately a toy. An expensive, enjoyable, elaborate, and potentially beneficial/detrimental tool of a toy, to be sure, but ultimately... a toy. Take all this with a grain of salt. For the most part, the internet has made it very easy for anyone with an opinion to express it and attach whatever validity to it he/she so desires.
Opinions are like... well... elbows. We all have them and it is not acceptable behaviour to swing them around in a crowded room. My point...? Ig nore the verbose, loud-mouthed yahoos. Take some time to watch for the informed post made by a guy who has been around a bit and you will gain more information about the real world than from any hundred of other internet forum threads. Regardless of topic.
BTW, Busse Knives Rock.
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I bought an F250 with a 7.2 turbo diesel a week ago. Yesterday I ran it down my street against my buddy, who was riding my Ducati 916.
Dang it all if the bike beat the truck 10 times out of 10. I paid three times as much for that truck as for the bike, and it won't even come close to keeping up with it. I fully intend to find a Ford forum and start trashing the F250. I don't think you should have to lose to a motorcycle in a $50,000 truck.
Further, it sits up too high and is hard to get into. The ride is a little bouncy. It is loud. The fuel stinks. The turning radius is not the best. It doesn't corner very well. Yeah, I bought t knowing that it was designed primarily to haul heavy stuff and pull giant things, with very few compromises to other uses, but I really want it to be more sports/luxury/touring sedan like. What if I'm in a hurry to get home? This thing won't be optimal.
So to any of you looking for a new heavy duty pickup: The Ford F250 is exactly that, but it isn't as well appointed as a Bentley, so I can't recommend it.
Also, my Battle Mistress isn't good for slicing sashimi, so don't buy one of those either.
Dang it all if the bike beat the truck 10 times out of 10. I paid three times as much for that truck as for the bike, and it won't even come close to keeping up with it. I fully intend to find a Ford forum and start trashing the F250. I don't think you should have to lose to a motorcycle in a $50,000 truck.
Further, it sits up too high and is hard to get into. The ride is a little bouncy. It is loud. The fuel stinks. The turning radius is not the best. It doesn't corner very well. Yeah, I bought t knowing that it was designed primarily to haul heavy stuff and pull giant things, with very few compromises to other uses, but I really want it to be more sports/luxury/touring sedan like. What if I'm in a hurry to get home? This thing won't be optimal.
So to any of you looking for a new heavy duty pickup: The Ford F250 is exactly that, but it isn't as well appointed as a Bentley, so I can't recommend it.
Also, my Battle Mistress isn't good for slicing sashimi, so don't buy one of those either.
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Originally posted by SpearHead
Warning! This is going to be one of SpearHead's Serious Posts. If you have a fragile ego or an artificially inflated opinion of yourself and your knife experience you may want to bypass this post!
Rant Mode On
You know... it's funny. I see stuff like this and I read it and I always come away thinking "what a bunch of uninformed idiots
Not to be too abrasive ... yeah, I'd hate to hurt anyone's feelings... but, the guys over there attempting to pass themselves off as authorities seem... how shall I say... a little soft. You know... like marshmallows.
I base that observation on my experiences using knives, surviving situations no sane person would ever find themselves in, breaking knives doing everything from the mundane to the extraordinary, fighting with knives, and talking with others who have done all of the above and who's opinions I respect in such matters.
As a rule, I place very little value on the opinions of "internet experts". But, every once in a while, you will read an opinion by a guy on a forum like these that has the ring of truth, experience, and sincerity. Generally, when you stumble upon one of these gems, they are surrounded by a lot of internet tripe and the poster will state his position once, with clarity and brevity, and leave it at that. Those who are able to see it for what it is will benefit from it and those who cannot will not. That is the way it works. In fact, my experience has been that all guys educated by difficult and hard won experience will say things very few times and if you are to actually get anything of value from them you need to watch them more closely than you listen to them. To make a potentially lengthy rant rather brief... none of those over there that are making post after post about the deficiencies they have found in Busse Combat Knives are posting anything that has an "experienced" flavor to it. Oddly, the real deal guys will generally not belabor a point, regardless of his position, either pro or con. YMMV.
Always keep in mind boys and girls, the internet is, ultimately a toy. An expensive, enjoyable, elaborate, and potentially beneficial/detrimental tool of a toy, to be sure, but ultimately... a toy. Take all this with a grain of salt. For the most part, the internet has made it very easy for anyone with an opinion to express it and attach whatever validity to it he/she so desires.
My point...? Ig nore the verbose, loud-mouthed yahoos. Take some time to watch for the informed post made by a guy who has been around a bit and you will gain more information about the real world than from any hundred of other internet forum threads. Regardless of topic.
BTW, Busse Knives Rock.
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Amen.
Sonsfa.... they locked the thread. Now this really proves the dumbness of some of those moderators/members there... bet it was Jimbo too, threw in his last words and closed the thread at that.
I'm still wondering if any of them have ever been in a REAL life or death situation. Those folks are just so dang funny...
Yikes....:barf:
I'm still wondering if any of them have ever been in a REAL life or death situation. Those folks are just so dang funny...
Yikes....:barf:
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Originally posted by Progunner
Yeah, who needs em'!
Now here is a frigging survival forum!
Swamp Rat Survival Forum
But John.... I don't understand.
No one at the Swamp Rat Survival Forum discusses tomato slicing and emergency pate preparation as a survival skill.
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BTW I just found this pic over there of what THEY consider to be
the ultimate survival knife, it's even named after their group. I think they all contributed to the design! It looks a lot like a guardless BA3 with a shallow sabre grind!
I have SO much to learn from these guys LMAO!!!!
the ultimate survival knife, it's even named after their group. I think they all contributed to the design! It looks a lot like a guardless BA3 with a shallow sabre grind!
I have SO much to learn from these guys
LMAO!!!!
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See the problem is that people really don't use their knives.
Anyone who thinks Busses are anything but superior, simply need to be dropped off in the middle of the oceola national forest for a week with a BM, and another fixed blade of their choice. Plus a sebenza of course
And let em' learn. Of course I have probably snapped more blades than most, cause I have bad luck with blades, but I really don't feel comfortable being in the woods without a Busse. Do I bring thinner blades, of course, but when I start to get abusive, I either switch to the Busse or relax knowing if I break this knife I have the best backup I know of.
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Anyone who thinks Busses are anything but superior, simply need to be dropped off in the middle of the oceola national forest for a week with a BM, and another fixed blade of their choice. Plus a sebenza of course
And let em' learn. Of course I have probably snapped more blades than most, cause I have bad luck with blades, but I really don't feel comfortable being in the woods without a Busse. Do I bring thinner blades, of course, but when I start to get abusive, I either switch to the Busse or relax knowing if I break this knife I have the best backup I know of.
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Jerry, you should not scoff at those guys. I look at that knife and think if the time when I was on a Central American mountain top... no, never mind. That would have been worthless there.
But, there was this time when stranded on a glacier at 2500 meters in a blowing, low visibility, mountain blizzard needing shelter and... no, never mind. Again, worthless.
Then there was this Grizzley I shot in self defense a couple of years ago that I needed to gut and cape... Oh... forget it. I can't think of a single use for their prototype or their "expertise"....
But, there was this time when stranded on a glacier at 2500 meters in a blowing, low visibility, mountain blizzard needing shelter and... no, never mind. Again, worthless.
Then there was this Grizzley I shot in self defense a couple of years ago that I needed to gut and cape... Oh... forget it. I can't think of a single use for their prototype or their "expertise"....
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Originally posted by tyuio
Now wait a minute spearhead you've gone far enough. I belive spreading peanut butter with a serrated air rescue to make nice patterns was a topic of discussion not long ago.
Actually that was here and it was Zal... before he discovered that he could throw his ARK at a stump.
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