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Originally posted by SpearHead
One last question about your knife Jamie.

The knife has been touted on the OSF as being the ideal all around knife. Being that a forum dedicated to "outdoor survival" is the basis for it's moniker, I would guess that assessment has something to do with outdoor survival activities.

That said, define those activities. In your most recent post here, you stated that you didn't mean for the OSF Proto to be ideally suited to game cleaning activities. You have also admitted that the design does not lend itself well to large fieldcraft activities such as, chopping firewood or felling trees for shelter.

It is also apparently not suitable for doing any number of other hard use tasks that potentially arrise in survival situations (prying, digging, etc.).

So... exactly what is it then, that makes this knife so desireable for outdoor survival applications? Maybe if we have a definition of terms here and can identify what each of us means by "survival" knife, we can come to some sort of an understanding. I have a very clear-cut idea of what a reliable survival knife is to me. What does that mean to you?
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I believe you hit the nail on the head with your last comment. A common understanding is the first step to clearing up the confusion.

I frequent the OSF, but was far from being instrumental in either it's creation or the OSF knife. The knife was a "design by commitee" project and was basically a blending of attributes that many of the forumites wanted to see in an affordable, high performance Scandi blade. It was designed as an all around knife, not designed to do any one thing exceptionally, but rather to be adept at performing tasks typically encountered in the outdoors. It was also meant to be complimented by other tools such as a hatchet, saw, etc. This is why the 4" blade length was selected. "Survival" to me and most of the guys over on OSF basically means getting by in the great outdoors. This is in reference to planned excursions by which you make do with what you brought with you. Typical tasks would involve shelter building, fire starting, cleaning of small game and other camp chores. I would not be foolish enough to pack only this blade if being sent to hostile lands or setting off to discover the Great Northwest for 3 months this winter.

The knife is certainly more robust than looks would dictate and is fine for prying such as would be encountered when splitting wood by batoning if necessary. Shelter could definitely be constructed with only a knife of this size with the aid of a baton. While not designed first or foremost as a hunting knife, I feel it would be very adept at this task and will verify this come October. I find it to be a very good all around knife and use it more than any other I have. Most likely due to the simple fact that it does what I expect a 4" blade to do very well. Is it ideal for everyone? Most assuredly, no. I honestly don't think there is any one knife that will be the end all. Is it the highest performing blade in the world? Not by a long shot. I never actually claimed it to be either one. Until the criteria is defined adequately, there simply is no way to claim this for any knife.

Thanks for your time and reasonable questions. I hope I have shed at least a little light on the subject. Perhaps a little too late.
 
Originally posted by Jerry Busse
Jamie,

Are you trying to drum up a little business for your knife modifying service? :rolleyes:

I don't know how I ever managed to cut 2,771 pieces of 1" hemp rope in a "Live" demonstration at the BLADE Show without your modifications:rolleyes:

If you are a knifemaker and are the one making the OSF knife, then you qualify to do a "live" demonstration with your blade to show its performance capabilities. I would suggest that you wear a cut-proof glove when it comes time for the tip strength demo, because the test requires that you stab the tip, full force, into hard wood, and I don't see any way possible that your hand won't run down on that blade. Make note that if you need to brace your thumb over the butt to stop it, then that is a poor design for a survival knife, plain and simple. The last thing someone in a "REAL" survival situation needs is three of four deeply cut fingers.
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Jerry,

Hahaha. No I am not in any way "advertising". Just stating the facts as I have experienced them. Nothing wrong with telling the truth is there? I actually doubt that many people visiting this forum even have heard of me, thanks for the heads up.

I am not a knifemaker by a long shot. I am a user and if something doesn't work as I feel it should for me, I modify it so it will. Be it a Busse, a RTAK, an Emerson or a Fallkniven. I don't see anything wrong with that as most knives are built with some compromise in them so they will suit a larger segment of the population. Be it blade geometry, handle size or shape. I just dial them in a little to suit my needs. You are a large manufacturer so I assume you already know these compromises exist?

As far as cutting the rope, this means nothing to me as I doubt I will ever have to duplicate it in my life. It tells me the knife is very good at cutting a lot of rope. I don't cut much rope. I guess your criteria of what makes a high performance blade is different than mine and I can sleep at night knowing that. Can you?
 
Jamie,

It's never TOO late around here. :)

I appreciate your feedback on the design. Can I ask why you went with a "guardless" design? No criticism meant, I'm really just curious.

Jerry
 
Jamie,
The way I figure it if a knife can cut rope (or anything for that matter) better than any other knife, it can cut anything better than any other knife!

Hello to all, I just got back from my honeymoon a few hours ago. I'm not even going to try to catch up on the last 8 days posts!!
 
I just gotta pipe in here and say that, having seen a whole two ****in boatloads of bullshit heaped on Jerry Busse and also Busse knives( it always seems that Jerry is the first target) in two different forums. I gotta give props and figure that the knives have to cut through the BS at least half as well as Jerry does. Does Busse mean lightning rod in German?
I gotta think it's some variation of mensch!:D

I gotta run because I'm having trouble with bleeding caused by small, slick, no guard knives.

Thanks for the brilliant read, you guys rock.
 
Never a dull moment!! LOL!! Thanks "you know who" for sending me the email!!


On a happy note..........CONGRATULATIONS MATT!!!!!!Where did you take your new wife for the honeymoon??!!!



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Whoever said, arguing on the internet is pointless is absolutely correct. My issue is not with Busse or any other manufacturer for that matter. My issue is with any "true believer" who refuses to consider any other options or points of view. If all you're going to do is say "that knife sucks", what's the point? You think it sucks and that's fine. I personally like the OSF knife because it would work as an all around blade. I have no use for a large combat chopper. That's it. Plain and simple. Consider why you're so emotionally invested in what you're arguing about. Maybe you really are a "true believer" after all.

Leo G.
 
Originally posted by LAG3
My issue is with any "true believer" who refuses to consider any other options or points of view. If all you're going to do is say "that knife sucks", what's the point? You think it sucks and that's fine. I personally like the OSF knife because it would work as an all around blade. I have no use for a large combat chopper. That's it. Plain and simple. Consider why you're so emotionally invested in what you're arguing about. Maybe you really are a "true believer" after all.

Leo G.
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I couldn't agree with you more. Close-mindedness was definitely at the root of this conflict. You can trace it back to the very beginning when Andrew T. asked about INFI and see how the "true believers" piled on. :eek:

Thanks for stopping by,

Jerry
 
(still sitting here munching popcorn...)

(oh yeah, and drinking beer. :) )

This has certainly been entertaining.

There are those who have said "different strokes for different folks", and that about wraps things up.

"Survival" is different things for different people. If someone's idea of survival is whittling fuzz sticks and cleaning trout, though, why not just call it the Fuzz and Trout Forum?

As much thought as has been apparently invested into the OSF knife (I'm not denigrating it, just an observation), it seems that it may have a narrower performance envelope than some other more general purpose knives. While it looks as though it may be a great camp knife, I'm not sure how many would go out in the wilds with just that one knife.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of the thought that went into the OSF knife was made with the assumptuion that there would also be a chopper, be it a large knife or an axe or hatchet along to compliment it.

(*bing* ah, my next microwave popcorn is ready...)
 
The latest Happenings in the Busse Forum, Blow by Blow. The items in parenthesis are the individuals thoughts at the time:

Zius: I am new here (boy they don't realize I came over to try and destroy their forum like they did mine, bastids. Let me say something that will start a fight and cause lockdown). Do you guys ever test knives? I don't see it, can you show me? Prove it?, huh?

Jerry: Welcome to the party son, I test them every night cutting my wives underware off. It's tuff stuff you know. But why don't you try out for one of our test teams and test one for yourself. (So what if your chances are as good as winning the lottery.) Of course I won't know who you are (yah right, Mrs. Busse thinks she can keep the list hidden from me. There isn't enough room in her rear end to keep that list from me)

Sargey: High, just thought I would post over here and find out what you guys know about survival. I was a member of the French Foreign Legion For Retired Officers and wish to see what you all know( also, I want to make a point that you don't know squat).

Cobalt: I'm a postal employee and think that it takes an Excalibur sword to deliver mail. This is what I firmly believe in.(I don't know shiet but can never let them know that)

1whobuys: I buy knives, hehe(that was a pretty butterfly..I love my dog, the sky is blue, look at that bee)

lune2ne: Do you guys ever talk about knives (I just got my first computer)

Bladebabe: yes and all the sexual positions to put them in.(oooh yah, I love knife talk, uuummmhh)

Spearhead: it was all my fault (BLANK)

Cliff: This thread is starting to look familiar. (smashum, smashum, smashum, destroy, bend, kill, warp, chip, grind, food, sleep, crap, shower once a week)

Idahoskunk: Something smells rotten in here. (I love the peppe Lepiu cartoons they were always my favorite)

thatmguy: Hey, you all wanna be hogs???(why did I have to call myself thatmguy, what a stupid name, oh well, gotta live with it)

Gundy: I like beer, wine( gulp, gulp, gulp)

Sevenedges: I take pictures anyone need pics taken( I'm a little teapot short and stout, here is my handle, here is my spout, when I get all steamed up, here me shout, tip me over and pour me out.)

Mrs. Busse: This is getting out of hand, Jerry I can read what's in your mind. I am not 1whobuys into having a bladebabe working with thatmguy like a lune, I think you are an idahoskunk that should be a spearhead off a cliff.(I have my own private bank account with enough money to dump this bum if need be.)

I need to go to sleep now, night
 
Cobalt, I was reacting to mr. Busse's question to call some makers/manufacturers and see if they test knives. Some apparently do. I haven't seen proof that Busse does, in a scientific way.
 
Cobalt, I chose it because "fat bald dumba$$" wouldn't fit....

Wanted to hear people say "who posted that crap, that M(ike) guy??".....

O.I.N.K.!
 
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