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Citori,

Don't start talkin' all level-headed and stuff. . . .There's no room for that kind of talk! Don't make me lock this puppy up!!!!

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This is what I can ascertain is the main uses for the "Perfect" OSF Survival knife.


Wood working....Must make good "Fuzz Sticks"
Slicing.........Must cut carrots thin enough for stews.

"THAT" is all I have ever gotten from any of their rants as to what the "Perfect Survival Knife" must do:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So to satisfy these two criteria all I need to live and survive in any climate in the world is my Grandfather's old Barlow:eek: :rolleyes:

Thank You but no Thanks....
I'll carry a little more blade and choke it down when I need to cut up the veggies for Dinner because I'm thinking I might just need a place to sleep, get water, maybe even protect myself too.:confused:
 
Man, I'm gone for 14 hours and this thread goes nuts. Doesn't ANYONE WORK HERE???:rolleyes:

Anyway, I have total and complete respect for James Nowka over at KF. He saw the reality of a bunch of wining self serving guys who think that filet and skinning knives are the end all be all of survival. The fact that they attempted to trash Busse without a fair chance is FACT. The comments made over there are not made about any other knifemaker. They have their own agenda. They DID lock the Thread. And now their FORUM IS TOAST because of it. James, I applaud your move. Get some real survivalists to moderate that forum, not guys that think a sissy puuko is the ultimate survival knife.

That prototype knife they discussed is horrendous and I will state why. First, it is smooth handled and has nothing to stop a hand from sliding over the blade if it is used to stab. Additionaly, if you have ever had to deal with blood, you know how slick things get, another nono for that knife. The blade is short and not substantial, so chopping is out of the question as is any kind of stabbing due to a thin point and my wanting to keep all my fingers. If it is meant as a skinner, then it might work, but for any kind of other use, I wold almost prefer a heavy duty folder to it.
 
OSF has been wiped out. Starting fresh....:D , I hope we won't see anything like what has occurred here/there over the past few days.

Just a side question... will the Tank Buster be available in a satin ( no coat ) finish ?
 
Originally posted by Citori
Does it strike anyone as odd that this entire thread, and the closed one at OSF, sprouted from one guy's question about which knife he should use for chopping?

This is why many of us who are 'new' to these forums absolutely detest ever asking any questions about anything. Not only did the original question never really get answered, but even if it did no one would be able to find it buried amongst all the 'this knife' versus 'that knife' mudslinging.

So how did things get so screwed up? Let's see...

a) A guy asked for recommendations for a knife to use for chopping. He posted a photo of a knife that looks not at all like a Busse. I think Busse knives are beautiful like Glocks are beautiful, but not like a Fabbri is beautiful, and it seemed to me this guy was looking towards a Fabbri. Regardless, he specifically asked for opinions on the SH and BM.

b) True to form, someone recommened a couple of good axes.

c) Someone suggested that he didn't want a Busse for chopping because they don't slice well. A relatively true statement even if it was a pointless consideration given the topic at hand.

4) More people showed up and claimed Busse knives exhibited poor fit and finish. Again, a relatively true statement and slightly less pointless than the slicing one, given that the guy might be interested in aesthetics.

e) The pro-Busse crowd arrives and the thread turns almost completely Busse vs. Old school woodsman knives.

Really guys, at the end of the day Jimbo isn't going to place an order with Busse and no one who hangs out here is going to buy the Mora-esque survival knife promoted over there. While I understand Jerry's desire to defend his knives and his company from what are probably baseless attacks I think that most of us would be better off just answering the guy's questions in a civil fashion. People are always going to have contrasting opinions particularly when they can hide behind the veil of the internet.

I'm not taking sides here. Just trying to point out the futility of the entire discussion. No one will ever take Jerry up on his 'show me the data' request. Even if they did there would be claims of skewed test methods or some such. No one will ever agree on the best survival knife because no one can ever agree what a survival knife is supposed to do.

Go outside and chop down a tree. It will make you feel better.
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Hey Citori, that sounds like a pretty concise synopsis of what happened except you forgot that one well meaning "Pro-Busse" forumite offered to send the guy a knife so he could make his own decision. I figured that since there was no way we would be able to quell the Busse bashing, the best way to let this guy make an informed decision is to let him take one out for a spin and let the rubber hit the road so to speak. I guess the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
Update... Mr. Nowka got the old board back up, but there are no moderators. Either way, to keep the posts or not, would have been a wise choice.
 
OOH! OOH! MY TURN! MY TURN!



After reading the threads in question and digesting all of the hubbub about who likes what and has never owned this or that but has this to say I am still of the same opinion I held before. "Arguing on the internet is like wrestling with a pig, no matter who wins you're both covered in crap and the pig likes it". A crude analogy maybe, but it states things as I see them and being a GRUNT Political correctness is not my strong suit.


I feel that if you are going to make a point you should do so intelligently or at least from a position of seeking knowledge on a particular point. The people posting to these threads are entitled to their opinions and it is my job to ensure that they can voice those opinions, no matter how mulletheaded they may be.


I wonder what the survival experts reactions would have been if they would have heard what the federal diaster worker told us at Blade. How she relies on her Busse knife on a daily basis, even to the point of having to cut herself free of a steel net that fell on her at Ground Zero during the 9-11 cleanup, with little damage to the knife I might add. They probably would have stood by in silence and then walked away and pooh-poohed her account among themselves. Yeah but can she whittle fuzz stick? Bet that thing won't chop a carrot.


I agree with Spearhead, your definition of survival is probably different than mine and you will not need to your knife to do what I ask of mine. Although I don't anticipate and "Jungle Knife" fights I pity the guy I stick my Natural Outlaw into. As far as a woodsman knife goes I would take my Natural Outlaw in to the woods any day and do any of the tasks that these OSF guys seem to feel constitute survival, as well as the things I deem as survival.


Anyone reading my posts on any of the forums I have posted to would, I'm sure, label me a Busse-phile, Jerry-Krishna, or what ever. They would be correct. After all I am a member of O.I.N.K.. However if you care to discuss another knife or knives that perform well in an intelligent fashion lets have at it. I enjoy knives and talking with knife knuts. There are several popular knife makers that have dedicated followings that I do not care for their designs for one reason or another. And I met several of them at Blade, however I do not go around bad mouthing them or their adherents on the forums. I only ask that others do the same. IF you don't like a particular knife or maker say so, but at least do it with some class and in an intelligent manner. Personal attacks just make you look like a real Azzhole. Flame wars do nothing in the end but make the forums a less fun place to be and fun is what we are here for.


As Jerry said he doesn't need us to defend him, he is quite capable of this himself. Besides the members of this forum offer Jerry the best defense possible, we buy his product.


So to conclude my rant, if you would like to come to this forum and discuss Busse knives or anything else please do so with some intelligence and humor. This is a great bunch of guys who like to have a good time. New guys are always welcome, God knows I have made some dumb posts and asked some stupid questions here. If you are here to troll and stir up Sh!t go to Whine and Cheese, they will deal with you appropriatly.

Oh yeah, on a lighter note check out my new thread. OINK!!!


Nick

~Nuclear INFIdel and member of O.I.N.K~
~Aint this place a geographical oddity? TWO WEEKS from anywhere!~
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wow! just spent an hour reading the whole meal deal!:eek:

unfrickingbalievable:eek:

good times!!!:D :D :D

XOXOXOXOXOX:p
 
Originally posted by Progunner
I figured that since there was no way we would be able to quell the Busse bashing, the best way to let this guy make an informed decision is to let him take one out for a spin and let the rubber hit the road so to speak.
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I'm amazed he didn't jump at the chance as there couldn't be a better opportunity to figure out for himself. There aren't many people who would loan out their $300 knife to a stranger, I thought it was very cordial of you to offer.
 
Originally posted by Jerry Busse
BTW I just found this pic over there of what THEY consider to be
the ultimate survival knife, it's even named after their group. I think they all contributed to the design! It looks a lot like a guardless BA3 with a shallow sabre grind!

I have SO much to learn from these guys LMAO!!
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Originally posted by Jerry Busse
Jamie,

Are you trying to drum up a little business for your knife modifying service? :rolleyes:

I don't know how I ever managed to cut 2,771 pieces of 1" hemp rope in a "Live" demonstration at the BLADE Show without your modifications:rolleyes:

If you are a knifemaker and are the one making the OSF knife, then you qualify to do a "live" demonstration with your blade to show its performance capabilities. I would suggest that you wear a cut-proof glove when it comes time for the tip strength demo, because the test requires that you stab the tip, full force, into hard wood, and I don't see any way possible that your hand won't run down on that blade. Make note that if you need to brace your thumb over the butt to stop it, then that is a poor design for a survival knife, plain and simple. The last thing someone in a "REAL" survival situation needs is three of four deeply cut fingers.
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The OSF knife, I believe, is being made by Nick Wheeler. (Just for reference -->)Link:Wheeler Pic Link: Wheeler Info The design was based on some cross between tried and true Scandanavian designs and one by Ray Mears; his Woodlore knife.Link: Ray Mears
Challenges and insults should be sent to them, I suppose.
The OSF can be ordered with your choice of handle material. You can also choose between forged or stock removal and carbon or stainless steel. This knife will be great if it meets your needs. I'm anxious to compare it with my Active Duty and Basic 5.

I don't understand the animosity that BOTH sides are displaying here. Everybody has a different point of view on tool choices. Please respect that. Of course the thread is locked over there so I hope they read it here.
 
Here is a synopsis of the entire fight as I saw it, after a few beers:


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Alexander: Hi guys just wanting to know what large heavy chopper would be best. I am interested in Busse's INFI.

OJ (OldJimbo): Well, son we got all kinds of knives but it's your attitude that'l cut that tree down son, not the knife.

Maxxx: Huh, Busse, Huhh, Busse, we don't cotton to Busse around these parts boye.

twofnu: Yah, Busse's can't cut or slice, in fact they are 1/4 inch thick from spine to edge, all their good for is prying and hammering.

DH: Yah, Busse's suck man, I know, I sucked all of em.

Alexander: Why all this negative attitude against Busse.

OJ: Well son, it's not so much negative as it is a matter of preference. We don't want you to act insecure. I big knife like that means that you are just compensating for a small prick and thus you are insecure. Don't you see boy, Busse is capitalizing on your insecurity. He wants you with one of his knives to show the world you have a small prick.

DH: Yah, Yah, what he said

Wolfen: I don't believe the crap I'm hearing. I just turned on my computer to find out where the smell of shiet was comming from, now I know.

twofnu: Wolfen no reason to say negative stuff without backing it up

Alexander: but isn't that what you guys did to Busse.

Maxxx: Nah, we just don't cotton to Busse around these parts

DH: Yah, Yah

Busse: Hey guys why don't you actually try one of my knives and see.

DH: Silence

Maxxx: Silence

OJ: Busse knives promote insecurity, and we don't want anyone to know that we have small pricks. If we get Busse's then everyone will know and it won't be a secret. I have no fear, I have lived with bears and carry a gun for such critters, but all I need is my new prototype, SISSY PUUKO knife that looks like an old version of the Ginsu knife to survive with. Fear is Bad and promoting my small prick is bad, so Busse is Bad

Alexander: Huh?

Wolfen: You guys and your sissy puukos all have a problem and it has nothing to do with knives, and everything to do with your own insecurity.

Progunner: Anyone want to try my knife, please take her, ohhh, I meant wife, not knife, I would never send my Busse knife out, sorry guys, I take that back.

1whobuys: I like to Buy, that's all

Busse: hehehehehe

Alexander: All I wanted was advice on what different knives for chopping I can look into.

Spearhead: It's all my fault

Bladebabe: wanna see my burned body. c'mon baby you know you wanna see it

Mrs. Busse: Jerry better not see it if he wants to make it to anniversary number 12 and more importantly to blade 2004.

Busse: uhoh, might be time to lock this thread.

LOCKED
 
Now that was funny!!

Nick

~Nuclear INFIdel and member of O.I.N.K~
~Aint this place a geographical oddity? TWO WEEKS from anywhere!~
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Cobalt,

That's funnier than hell!

If you would have posted this from the get-go we could have avoided this whole ugly mess! ;) :D :cool:
 
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