Interesting video on knife laws in NYC...ask a cop and go to jail!

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Interesting video on knife laws in NYC...ask a cop and go to jail!


Had no idea a slingshot is illegal in NYC.


https://knifeup.com/new-york-knife-laws/

I've been working on borrowed time in NYC. Not cause of a slingshot, but my folding pocket knife (2-7/8 inch blade) is illegal according to NYC law. I was going to ask a cop about a fixed blade 3-1/4 inch knife on my backpack, but if there is a problem with it, you get arrested on the spot.
 
Just discovered that at least 3 of my folders would be illegal in NYC: 1) Spyderco Amalgam, 2) Spyderco Hanan and 3) ZT850CF. All will open with just a flick of the wrist. There are probably others.
 
Pure speculation on my part but something tells me there is more to the story when someone gets arrested for carrying a folder. Stupid laws though. People need to move out of these communist states. Slaves by choice.
 
People need to move out of these communist states.
The state of NY sucks for a lot of reasons, including the current governor; but NYC knife laws and enforcement practices are NOT reflective of the rest of the state.
 
Yeah...because everyone is in a position to uproot their entire lives and move to another state hoping for employment and affordable housing:rolleyes:

Often it is easier to apply for the job and find the house prior to moving. Relocating isn’t fun but it happens quite frequently actually. May not be easy but historically escaping tyranny is not easy or convenient. But it’s your choice. They haven’t taken that freedom away from you... yet ;)
 
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Just discovered that at least 3 of my folders would be illegal in NYC: 1) Spyderco Amalgam, 2) Spyderco Hanan and 3) ZT850CF. All will open with just a flick of the wrist. There are probably others.

The fact that you cannot "Wrist Flick" open other knives you possess has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on whether a particular office might arrest you on an illegal knife charge and take you to jail. It does not matter at all that you, or your friends, or even another officer cannot open the knife with a Wrist Flick, if some office is able to do so, even if it takes multiple attempts and gross body movements.

The problem, and the core of our lawsuit, is that there is no way for anyone to know if their knife is legal.

ADA Dan Rather, Jr., made a telling admission on the stand. He was asked the single most important question in the entire lawsuit. He was asked how a person standing in a store wishing to purchase a folding knife could determine if the knife was legal in order to avoid arrest and prosecution. Rather indicated that the person should apply the Wrist Flick Test and attempt to open the blade to the locked position.

Rather testified that if the knife does not open on the first try he should try again and that if the person cannot flick the knife open on the second try then the knife is not a gravity knife. (He testified during deposition that there is no limit to the number of tries that can be attempted by n officer and prosecutor and in one instance testified that multiple prosecutors each tried 10 times before determining that a knife was not an illegal gravity knife)

However, when asked what if that same person stepped out the door of the store and encountered a police officer who then took that knife and flicked it open, Rather answered that the knife would then be a gravity knife and the person would be subject to prosecution.

This very candid testimony illustrates precisely the issue in the case. There is no means by which a person can conclude that a given knife is not a gravity knife, even if he applies the Wrist Flick Test and cannot open the knife, because as long as someone else can open it with the Wrist Flick Test, the person is subject to arrest and prosecution, and there is no way for a person to make that determination in advance.

Pure speculation on my part but something tells me there is more to the story when someone gets arrested for carrying a folder.

Your speculation is incorrect in this instance. Tens of thousands have been arrested for simply carrying a Common Folding Knife on the streets of New York with no other pretext involved. Others have been arrested at their homes and collections confiscated, again with no other pretext.
 
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The fact that you cannot "Wrist Flick" open other knives you possess has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on whether a particular office might arrest you on an illegal knife charge and take you to jail. It does not matter at all that you, or your friends, or even another officer cannot open the knife with a Wrist Flick, if some office is able to do so, even if it takes multiple attempts and gross body movements.

Understood. I was just pointing out which of the knives I personally discovered failed to pass the NYC test, which other owners of these knives might not be aware of and should be warned about in case they venture into the Big Apple with them.
 
Doug thanks you for responding to this thread with the correct information, and the statements that were made by the ADA which I had not seen before.
 
I work in the City but live in Jersey, I used to EDC a Kershaw 1/2 Ton. I stuck it in my watch pocket of my jeans with the clip to the inside and always had a shirt or jacket long enough to cover it up. Did this for about 3 years, but recently switched to carrying a Leatherman Wave instead. Don't feel like risking an impromptu coper feel and getting busted with a folder. The Leatherman looks more like a tool and maybe less threatening. In Jersey I clip whatever folder into my pocket without ever worrying about it. Every law in NYC is ridiculous in my opinion, I'm pretty sure there's a law against flicking a booger on the sidewalk.
 
Boostr, be aware that the wave has been one of the knives that were able to be “wrist flicked”. It really depends on the officers mood. An officer tried to start with a friend of mine working EMS for the 911 system. Technically, EMS has the same issue with folders in NYC. I believe that fixed blades are different but I have to look up the penal code again to confirm.
 
Born and raised in NYC, lived there up until 4 years ago, and still work there.

Kudos to Doug for opposing the ambiguous law. It should be better defined and more freedoms should be allowed. I’m not as open as Doug is though, nobody should be walking down the streets of NYC carrying a machete or sword. A work blade, yes, absolutely.

It also really sucks seeing the NY venom on this thread. Like every where else, NY has both the good and bad.
 
You’re correct, like everywhere else, NY does have its good and bad.

However, this law isn’t just ambiguous, it’s disgusting and a power play. It isn’t about machetes or swords, it’s about common knives. The people being affected, are students, blue collar workers etc. not the criminals. An electrician carrying a knife for his job that goes to the store for lunch, can be arrested. Even if he is acquitted, it means big bills and time out of work, that many can’t afford.

There was a bill (thanks knife rights!) backed on both sides of the aisle (how common is that in NYC?) which was blocked by the Mayor and DA. It’s not helping reduce crime, so many (majority?) of the stabbings/slashings are done with cheap kitchen knives and razors. In over a decade of EMS in NYC, I have seen a small percentage of stabbings that used proper pocket knives. (I know that’s not evidence based but at least in my mind that counts for something.:D)
 
tech25, I agree with you. The law is wrong. If I’m not mistaken, the law in one form or another has been around for decades. Under Dinkins, Giuliani, Bloomberg, and now De Blasio. All flavors of the political spectrum. The law is wrong and needs to be changed. Nothing more for me to say on that. I really appreciate Doug’s efforts here.

But, I would still contend that NY isn’t “communist”, its residents aren’t “slaves” (ouch! for many reasons), it doesn’t ”suck” and isn’t a “haven” for whatever group one wants to deem unfavorable. Seeing comments like these, and it could be about any place, just doesn’t contribute much in my humble opinion.

Sorry for my digression. I appreciate the meaningful intention behind this thread. It’s important to me.
 
I got used to the whole country hating on NYC when I first started visiting friends and bird hunting in the Midwest in the 90s. I was surprised at first by it. Regardless of the myriad reasons for it, it’s just a fact of life.
 
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