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I'm looking for a ZT0920Ya need to throw in a Les George to that group![]()

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I'm looking for a ZT0920Ya need to throw in a Les George to that group![]()
Last one I handled had lock rock. The previous gen in D2 was rock solid I'll admit.
This is Gen 1. No play in any direction.Last one I handled had lock rock. The previous gen in D2 was rock solid I'll admit.
I suppose there could have been some foreign material that got into somewhere, but it happened with a cruwear grey/black combo that I got secondhand in like new condition. It wasn't noticable in use, only if you tried to manipulate the blade in hand. My gen 1 was solid. I traded my Adamas' for a SHF and haven't looked back for political reasons.This is Gen 1. No play in any direction.
Not seeing how an axis would have ālock rockā but Iāll take your word for it.
Why would I know what model this is? The only thing I appreciate about these knives, is the assisted opening. I assume they're assisted opening. That's something you don't get with Cold Steel's Tri-Ad lock. However, I just hand flick open my Voyager XL. It fits in my pocket easily, but I'm a larger guy. There are other companies that make these types of knives for less money than Benchmade. Like I said, if their prices were in line with their quality, I'd buy one. Until that happens, it's only going to be folding knife aficionados who buy them, and there aren't that many of those. Someone posted a knife on here that costs $850, because he likes the craftsmanship and attention to detail. That's kind of the definition of an aficionado, someone who will pay ridiculous prices for a niche product. You can buy an AR-15, plus some ammo for $850. You could also buy more than one of the best fixed blades on the market.
Of production knives, I do own more Spyderco than anything else. However, that doesn't make me a fan boi. The last several I've bought of their newer models (Ikuchi and Smock in particular) have had QC issues. The difference however, is they listen and make changes to fix things. I handled a Smock Saturday and the button no longer sticks out a mile so it's no longer a hot spot.Because you love cold steel doesnāt take anything away from benchmade.
And youāre making quite the assumption and speculation on knife junkies life savings. And I can assure you, the ones that are spending their life savings arenāt buying benchmades or spydecos at that point. Theyāve probably moved on to the midtech/custom world.
Maybe eventually people will take noticeable benchmade will have difficulty staying afloatBenchmade is definitely a fan boy company, and they know that people will keep buying because of the name. Therefore, there is no reason to step up QC or keep prices in check.
Benchmade is a fanboi company? What companies donāt have fanboiās. Even cold steel has fanbois.Of production knives, I do own more Spyderco than anything else. However, that doesn't make me a fan boi. The last several I've bought of their newer models (Ikuchi and Smock in particular) have had QC issues. The difference however, is they listen and make changes to fix things. I handled a Smock Saturday and the button no longer sticks out a mile so it's no longer a hot spot.
I have moved on from production knives for the most part. My last three purchases were an Alan Davis, a Seamus, and a Biryukov.
When I saw $340 for that CF Taggedout, I almost choked. Sure, it's Magnacut, but to honest, for $40+ more dollars steps me up into Biryukov with vastly superior f&f and CPM-S125V.
Benchmade is definitely a fan boy company, and they know that people will keep buying because of the name. Therefore, there is no reason to step up QC or keep prices in check.
I have other beefs with the company but that belongs in the political forum.
Stop talking about āpremium steelsāOkay. Show me a Benchmade folder that can rival the CS Recon 1, AD-10, AD-15, etc. They have premium steels and craftsmanship, premium QC, and the strongest lock in the folding knife world, with the exception of Andrew Demko's new personal line of folders. I'm sorry, but there's no comparison. Cold Steel isn't the only company that makes better folders, with premium materials, for a fraction of the price.
All the testing Iāve seen reported shows that CS runs their steel in pretty optimal hardness ranges. Their CTS XHP was great, their S35VN and CPM 3V is great as well. Those are all pretty premium steels, IMO. Where have you seen that they run their steels soft for warranty returns?Stop talking about āpremium steelsā
I have never seen a CS with Magnacut or M4. BM and the Spyder have made a ton of knives with those steels now. They blow away the steel CS is using. As does M390, etc. CS runs their steels soft for less warranty returns which hurts performance.
Most of the CS line is made in China. Not known for craftsmanship. I have returned multiple CS knives due to lock failures over the years. It was very common on some models. The Swift, especially.
CS is a lower tier knife maker, BM and Spyderco are a big step up. People that consider CS better are either cheap or like to chop up pig carcasses bones and all in their spare time.
I still own several CS knives.
Someone posted a knife on here that costs $850, because he likes the craftsmanship and attention to detail. That's kind of the definition of an aficionado, someone who will pay ridiculous prices for a niche product. You can buy an AR-15, plus some ammo for $850. You could also buy more than one of the best fixed blades on the market.
A Ganzo might last a lifetime if you never use it.A $20 Mora will last a lifetime. A Ganzo might even last a lifetime. I don't see being usable for a long time as a feature. It's a requirement.
As is frequently stated on another forum I hang out on "go be poor somewhere else!"I deal with poverty mentality in my customers in our small town. You can smell it on people wearing velcro shoes from Walmart, bragging about how cheap they got something, switching price tags at the hardware store. It is unappealing.
These losers complain about stuff that costs too much as they spend most of their money on scratch off tickets, junk food and beer or energy drinks. This thread reminds me of that. If something is too expensive, STFU and donāt buy it. Donāt complain about it everywhere. And donāt expect others to accept that your lack of taste or cheapness is the only answer.
LOL. I know exactly which forum. What, you canāt afford current Gen NVG for your purebred dog?As is frequently stated on another forum I hang out on "go be poor somewhere else!"![]()