Is cpm 3v if heat treated right as tough as 5160

shinyedges said:
I suppose they could have stopped identifying trees beyond leaf shape, but they broke it down into further sub species. Which is similar to steels, if a difference is enough it is it's own steel.

Surely a dendrologist would identify two similar trees as to what they are. Lumping them as the same seems like a good way to be corrected.
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I'm sure they fight over it on the net.
 
shinyedges said:
Yes Dan I know that. They behave differently despite being close in element make up.
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I think any steel with a "modified" attached to it is a pretty vague description. It could possibly me modified in a number of ways.
 
danbot said:
I think any steel with a "modified" attached to it is a pretty vague description. It could possibly me modified in a number of ways.
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I think when a steel changes elemental make up by greater than the tolerance allowed for each element it becomes another steel because it behaves differently.
 
shinyedges said:
I think when a steel changes elemental make up by greater than the tolerance allowed for each element it becomes another steel because it behaves differently.
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Agreed. And I would assume to be called "modified" it would have changes made that fall outside of the tolerances of A8. But what changes were made? If you add more Si for example, or reduce the Mn percentage, could both conditions be called A8 Mod? Seems pretty vague.
 
danbot said:
Agreed. And I would assume to be called "modified" it would have changes made that fall outside of the tolerances of A8. But what changes were made? If you add more Si for example, or reduce the Mn percentage, could both conditions be called A8 Mod? Seems pretty vague.
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It is vague. Ignoring fairly large differences in quantities of elements seems rather vague. Which is why I don't think lumping steels as the same is right. Clearly other steels that are similar in make up are labeled differently for their nuances.
 
shinyedges said:
It is vague. Ignoring fairly large differences in quantities of elements seems rather vague. Which is why I don't think lumping steels as the same is right. Clearly other steels that are similar in make up are labeled differently for their nuances.
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You still haven't found a difference between A8 mod and Infi. I explained this earlier in the thread.
 
Larrin said:
You still haven't found a difference between A8 mod and Infi. I explained this earlier in the thread.
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Other than the fairly large difference in element quantities? You never answered what the tolerances are for each element in A8 mod? What point does the steel become another steel because it has a different quantity of a given element like 1060 and 1050?

Do you know the current composition of infi? Is it even close to A8 mod?

By labeling infi the same as A8 mod you are misleading people here because you have no clue what Infi's current composition is... Do you?
 
shinyedges said:
Other than the fairly large difference in element quantities? You never answered what the tolerances are for each element in A8 mod? What point does the steel become another steel because it has a different quantity of a given element like 1060 and 1050?

Do you know the current composition of infi? Is it even close to A8 mod?

By labeling infi the same as A8 mod you are misleading people here.
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If the Infi composition can change at any time then the name doesn't mean anything.

I haven't seen any differences in element quantities. The EDS measurement of the Infi sample either didn't pick up the Mn or it wasn't reported. Mn is in nearly all steels. I said so before.

You've stated many times that you don't know what the elements of steel do but you keep questioning what I said as if you think you do.

I have misled no one.
 
Larrin said:
If the Infi composition can change at any time then the name doesn't mean anything.

I haven't seen any differences in element quantities. The EDS measurement of the Infi sample either didn't pick up the Mn or it wasn't reported. Mn is in nearly all steels. I said so before.

You've stated many times that you don't know what the elements of steel do but you keep questioning what I said as if you think you do.

I have misled no one.
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It's known the composition of infi changes.

Screenshot_20181022-153502_Samsung Internet.jpg Screenshot_20181022-153435_Samsung Internet.jpg

So these steels are identical? There is greater difference between these two steels than 1050 and 1060. What are the tolerances for each element in A8 mod? Seem to avoiding that question....
 
Larrin said:
OK. I'm going to stop spitting in the wind. I wish you joy in your knife fandom.
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Ah, don't answer the questions then. Those steels are not identical and you won't tell me what the tolerances are for the elements in A8 mod either because you don't know or the element quantity difference between them makes infi different enough to have it's own designation.
 
And yea infi has changed composition, so calling it A8 mod is pissing in the wind because it may not even be the composition you are seeing it was. Good day :thumbsup:

ETA: here's the differences by the way if anyone cares:

C .14
Cr .12
Si .32
V .12
Mo .45
Mn unknown
 
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hugofeynman said:
Wise decision.
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I'd not expect you to understand logic considering your irrational fear of particle steels, any way I posted the element difference between both steels just above. They happen to be significantly larger than the difference between 1050 and 1060..

Hmm... Facts.. darn!
 
shinyedges said:
Ah, don't answer the questions then. Those steels are not identical and you won't tell me what the tolerances are for the elements in A8 mod either because you don't know or the element quantity difference between them makes infi different enough to have it's own designation.
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Isn't the designation "Infi" a marketing name, a self-made steel name that could be applied to anything the name's creator wants? I could call ASTM Grade 19 titanium alloy "Mechatanium" and say it's proprietary, and I actually see people do just that. But choose instead to use the actual chemical code to keep it 100. :D
 
Mecha said:
Isn't the designation "Infi" a marketing name, a self-made steel name that could be applied to anything the name's creator wants? I could call ASTM Grade 19 titanium alloy "Mechatanium" and say it's proprietary, and I actually see people do just that. But choose instead to use the actual chemical code to keep it 100. :D
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That's exactly what it is, which is how they can change the composition and still call it infi. No one except Jerry busse and his steel supplier can say what his steel is today, anyone who says different is a liar.
 
I'm gonna send Larrin Larrin a heat-treated toughness test tab of 89.5 Ti 10Nb 0.5Fe Mechatanium to test on his toughness tester, and everyone is gonna CRAP themselves when the swinging hammer thing won't even get past the test tab. Now that's tough. Mecha Tough. ®©™℗
 
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