Is "going off the grid" feasable?

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Why would you want to be " off the grid " ? No computers- services- etc ? Life is pretty darn good- don't ya think ?
 
ordawg1 said:
Why would you want to be " off the grid " ? No computers- services- etc ? Life is pretty darn good- don't ya think ?
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Services... Computers... Etc are all a form of slavery to a degree. Most of all is "money".
 
I've always had a facination with just disappearing. Take off, move to the mountains kind of thing. It's really fun to imagine, but somehow, someday, someone will find you.
It's as easy as infra red heat sensing equipment technology. Your body puts of heat. Your fire puts of heat, light and some smoke. From the air it can all be found, big brother watching.

Not to mention, someone like me who needs certain medications to survive.
I might last three days or less without insulin. So escaping from society won't work for some of us no matter how bad we want to. Good luck if you find a way.
 
Hey Bushman5, it didn't take me long after reading about your surviving debt thread to know that you too are a 'sovereign individual'

Congrats.

The amount of electronic databasing is absolutely insane. Check out DARPAS programs SEAS (Synthetic Environment for Analysis and Simulations) and SWS (synthetic world simulation) and no....wikipedia is not a reliable source (Orwells Memory Hole.) Basically, each living individual has a computer character that is databased and updated with each and every purchase, websearch, and movement. This program allows operators to predict with scientific precision societies movements during crisis or other real or imagined scenarios.

The interNET or WEB are both names for traps.

And this stuff is unclassified out in the open....imagine what is hidden.
Just my two cents.
 
I think it's definitely possible to totally live on your own accord, and without the interference of the modern world. I think it would require an accurate amount of planning, proficiency in certain skills, resources and resource planning, and what I consider to be the most important aspect, the right geography.
 
Haole said:
Hey Bushman5, it didn't take me long after reading about your surviving debt thread to know that you too are a 'sovereign individual'

Congrats.

The amount of electronic databasing is absolutely insane. Check out DARPAS programs SEAS (Synthetic Environment for Analysis and Simulations) and SWS (synthetic world simulation) and no....wikipedia is not a reliable source (Orwells Memory Hole.) Basically, each living individual has a computer character that is databased and updated with each and every purchase, websearch, and movement. This program allows operators to predict with scientific precision societies movements during crisis or other real or imagined scenarios.

The interNET or WEB are both names for traps.

And this stuff is unclassified out in the open....imagine what is hidden.
Just my two cents.
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So if you are worried about it, why do you continue to use the internet? Do you take care to disguise the websites you visit or take other precautions?
 
Years ago I watched a show called "Bush Families" if my memory serves me right. This was one of the best documentaries I have seen on living in isolation. Although the population of the U.S. is over 300 mil, they occupy 5% of the land. Maybe you could look into another country a la "Mosquito Coast". Thru the years I have had fellow G.I. friends who became ex-patriots. They are located in some pretty remote areas all over the world. In this modern society in which every activity you pursue is dissected, anaylized, and tracked, there is a great degree of difficulty in maintaining privacy. This continues to increase with the improvement of technology. Hell, look at the use of cookies on the internet.
 
I'm not worried about it for myself but for the future generations......There used to be an expectation of privacy that does not seem to exist anymore. And it seems that not too many people really care about personal privacy.

There are some folks that pursue power on the level of psycopathy. They are charming, intelligent, and natural born leaders. People follow them. World leaders are often psycopathic. In order to maintain power they want completely predictable societies. We have become extremely predictable by revealing ALL of our information on social networking sites and other digital collection methods without keeping in mind the consequences.
 
I remember several people in Hawaii telling us of people off the grid living in isolated valleys. One was the at the end of the Kalalau trail on Kauai. I guess the state government sends a field crew up the trail every few years to try and clear out/check up on the valley dwellers. I doubt they get them all.

Nature can be pretty unforgiving. I don't think I'd want to be off the grid and completely isolated. I would still want access to emergency medical care, for example, if necessary. So, at the very least, I'd need a partner or at least another loner in the next valley over that I could signal if I had to.
 
I know several dozen people who are off the grid.

How far off the grid is debatable, I know a few guys up north who don't seem to worry about having IDs, but most people have some form of identification. I mean, how adamant is this about having absolutely zero contact with the world at all? After all, these are people I see on occasion, so they must have human contact.

It's not that hard to do, but it's hard to maintain an ideological attachment to. One guy I know doesn't own a computer, doesn't have electricity, lives in a hand built cabin and does mostly hunter/gatherer and truck gardening. Very chill due, but he has a gmail account and checks in once in a while. Is he OTG?
 
Charlie Mike said:
Services... Computers... Etc are all a form of slavery to a degree. Most of all is "money".
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OK- but we are on a computer right now exchanging ideas- buying what we want etc. Great way to LEARN without having to expieriance all the mistakes. I like services- medical care- great food- beautiful women etc. Last time I checked- it all took money to have these things ? especially the ' beautiful women" :D- and i am not about to go without that one :thumbup:. I do like the post above about camping. I do whitewater rafting and that is about as ' off the grid" as i ever want. Just sayin............Thanks:thumbup:
 
I have a friend who lives of the grid during the summer time for fun. He invited me, and I might have to take him up on it one day. For him, the purpose of going off the grid is to revert to old ways of living -not to hide out or anything. They have only what nature can provide them. He does it with a community of people like him.

The most essential aspect of going off the grid is to have a community to do it with. Without that it would not be fun or something you could do for a long period of time. Community is what makes people happy; friendship and so on is essential to success. Otherwise you would just go crazy and loose your sense of empathy.

This is all IMHO of course. I know of an old family friend who went a little nuts after college and started living on his own in the woods. It has been about 20 years since he went off the grid. When I was growing up he would always stop buy our house and say hello, get a little rest and food and then continue on his journey. I cant imagine what it was like living in the forest all alone for months at a time, but he did. Different strokes for different folks.
 
I used to hunt with a PTSD Vietnam Vet (Silver Star recipient) who previously spent a couple years living off the grid. He had a spot on public land near the big Central CA coastal military bases. Hunted wild hogs and coastal blacktail for a good part of his food. He was, however, in pretty sad shape when he finally gave it up. A tough existence.

DancesWithKnives
 
Well, going completely off the grid here is illegal in the city limits. It is now illegal to occupy a structure that does not have an active EPB electrical account.
 
I could do it very easily, Just move back to my small farm in western SD. No electricity now but I lived without it for the first 15 years of my life.
 
At least not legally.

It is certainly physically possible but you are not allowed to.

You need specific things to habitate in a dwelling. Has to meet code. etc. etc.

The days of Richard Proenneke are gone.

You have to pay taxes on the land you occupy. No homesteading any longer.

You can't just go kill game. You need permits etc.

Some of the new bills will even prohibit backyard vegetable gardening if they pass. To "Protect" you of course.

I don't consider what Les Stroud did living off the grid. More like replacing one technology for another. If your solar power or wind generator breaks down, you are definitely going to need "the grid" to fix it. And they used a WHOLE LOT of technology to install all of that gear.

There will always be "bums" but actual living with any kind of dignity and prosper without government restriction is gone. Not because you are unable, because they won't let you.

About as close as you could get would be the Amish or some Appalachian families.

Carl-
 
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