Is "going off the grid" feasable?

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I've been looking for a small chunk of land to put a sea-can cabin on , but where I am , all the lots cost too much. I don't want electricity there, or even running water ,but a place to get away from the city.

I think this day and age , it would be pretty hard to not have a number trail following you somewhere .ie: bank accounts, health care , driver's license , etc. The information age is what we're in , and for the most part, we are all a part of it.

Even the bush lot I mentioned is not an easy thing, if you want to avoid close neighbours, onus to build a conforming structure, taxes, etc. A place to retreat to that's all my own is what I want , and that's a struggle to find as it is, without spending a ton of money.

Is living off the grid feasable? Yes , but it comes at a high price nowadays to lose having a number attached to you. You're on file somewhere.
 
The days of Richard Proenneke are gone.

Even Proenneke had supplies flown in that he ordered from Sears :)
I really admired that man's skills.
 
Yes , but it comes at a high price nowadays to lose having a number attached to you. You're on file somewhere.

Maybe that is just a fantasy of mine, but I would love to have all my records (besides the ones I would have on me) lost. Bingo... Felony? What felony?
 
The new healthcare bill fines you if you don't carry health insurance.

Going to be a bit tough out there in the bush either:

A. Paying for health insurance

OR

B. Paying the fine because you DON'T have health insurance.

Sorry, it's no longer feasible folks.


And Yes, Proenneke had supplies flown in. He probably COULD have done it on his own if he really wanted to though. It just wasn't his quest.

Carl-
 
If I decide to bug out before the fecal matter impacts the wind turbine, I intend on remaining hidden. As a (non-violent) felon, I cannot own guns. That law only works if they know where I am. Lots of good hill country with old silver mines around Coarsegold, CA.

Federal Disclaimer: I own ZERO firearms.
 
Why would you want to be " off the grid " ? No computers- services- etc ? Life is pretty darn good- don't ya think ?

I work in I.T. and let me tell you this life is a form of slavery. Constantly oncall even though some of us shouldn't be, tied to a cell phone, that I can't say I want. The same can be said for many jobs. The problem is for the past 22 non consecutive work related years it's all I've done and know. (There are a good number of work related years, but a lot of it is as a hobby in computers.) I'm burned out on computers and the like. I've never had another job doing anything else. I'm at a point in my life where I'm seriously considering giving this up and trying to go another route. I have pretty much zilch in retirement, but more than some people as of the past 1.5 years with the economy and such as it is. I'm not bragging my any means, but I'm lucky to have a job. Which makes me deciding on living with frazzled nerves or having a worse case of frazzled nerves by trying a different vocation really really hard to decide upon if it does not work out.

Every once in a while when I'm frustrated I some what jokingly say one day I'm going to become a hermit.

Funny how may fascination with Bushcraft/primitive living etc. has grown over the past few years.

I'm starting to ramble. I think I'll stop now. Before I submit this, I will say computers are great for information etc., but there are always other underlying issues when it comes to wanting to escape. Kinda like what Bushman5 said earlier. Paraphrased, some just want to get away from it all.

Edit: to clarify something. There is a difference from being able to power up your computer and get on the Internet to do a bit of reading & browsing, than having sit in front of one all day for work. Thats my point about slavery. I know what you were getting at, but I just got off on a rant, as I think I understand what the OP of this thread is getting at.
 
Sorry, it's no longer feasible folks.

It is feasible. If you're truly off the radar there's no way for them to know if you are complying or not.

Hell, I disappeared for a few years (called being homeless), and it was a good 8 years before a search even turned up my address -- and that's with me living there with bills and everything in my name coming there).

BUT, like a previous post said, you have to give up everything to do it. You can't own property, can't have a stable home, or even a home in the traditional sense.

So, in a way, you're right, you can't build a cabin and live there -- at least not for long. A small "trapper's cabin" or lean-to int he woods is a different matter, but it will be found, so you have to be prepared to abandon it at the first sign it's been discovered.

Make no mistake, guys, it's a hard life, and your life expectancy won't be very long in comparison to a life "on the grid".
 
ok i'll chime in with a tidbit or two

helpful tip:

- DIS-information is a wonderful thing.

common made mistakes:

- 99.9% of people make mistakes after a few months and revert to former habits, lifestyles, clothing choices, internet sites, phone calls to family etc. < these are the things that trip you up and how people find you. even years later, 20, 30 40 years, these things can trip you up. Never let your guard down. < that alone can have health impacts, caused by stress.


if one wants to go off the grid completely, they must be the type of person that can:

- sever ALL ties forever with family. GF/BF, former lifestyles, activities, sports, hobbies, internet usage etc. Most find this hard to do.
 
Can you go on the lamb and survive while running without being caught?

Yes, you can probably drift for a long time.

Can you LIVE OFF THE GRID like the original poster said?

No.

You cannot live off the grid for the rest of your life while having any kind of a useful life LEGALLY.

Carl-
 
You cannot live off the grid for the rest of your life while having any kind of a useful life LEGALLY.

LEGALLY is the rub. I stole food and everything else that I could to survive. I sold drugs. I did drugs to stay alert. I was wired to the gills. My downfall was that I didn't allow myself downtime to sleep. While on a "mission" at 5 days awake, I made a stupid mistake and I was taken POW.
 
You were just a parasite off of those that DID live on the grid.

Glad you made it back.

Not many do.

Seriously, I am glad you don't live like that any longer.

It must have been very, VERY hard to come back.

Carl-
 
It was. The public defender told me about the VA and that I should get evaluated. I talked to the shrink for 2-3 hours. Almost a year later, I got a notice in the mail saying my Global Ability Function score was 41/100 with a primary diagnosis of PTSD. If it weren't for my VA comp&pension, I'd prolly be dead or in prison.
 
One of my best friends is a recovering Heroin addict.

Been clean for 15 years.

the chances of that are nil, so.....

You have seen it all, I am sure so I give you all due credit.

Carl-
 
No prob bro... (and thanks) ... I'm a hard wired survivor. There is no such thing as stooping too low if it means myself and mine come out on top. As my senior drill sergeant said, "violence in execution".
 
It was. The public defender told me about the VA and that I should get evaluated. I talked to the shrink for 2-3 hours. Almost a year later, I got a notice in the mail saying my Global Ability Function score was 41/100 with a primary diagnosis of PTSD. If it weren't for my VA comp&pension, I'd prolly be dead or in prison.

ok . so where do you want to be in ,say, 1 year.... 2 years .....:confused:
 
ok . so where do you want to be in ,say, 1 year.... 2 years .....:confused:

Well, I plan on going to city college in Fall 10. I want to take EVERY course I can that pertains to machining/welding/CNC/fab and finally get off the Gov tit. I'd love to work in a small fab/machine shop. I thrive on task/condition/standards. Nobody sneaking up behind me and I'll be alright.
 
I always loved the thought of being a machinist. Something about the precision that just makes me jealous. The fact that you can make something that precise is awesome.

Carl-
 
I always loved the thought of being a machinist. Something about the precision that just makes me jealous. The fact that you can make something that precise is awesome.

Carl-

In my meth days, I became a self taught machinist/gunsmith. If you click on the youtube link in my sig line, you'll see some of the mods I have done. If I find a folder I like... I wave it.
 
This is a great topic. Charlie Mike, I guess, as has been stated earlier that there is some delineation between living "off the grid" and living "off the radar". One does preclude the other but only in one direction.

Just tonight on my drive home from work I was listening to an interview with Paige Williams, the author of an article about Dolly Freed who in 1978 wrote Possum Living. Here is an excerpt from the article

Fans&#8212;that&#8217;s another subject Dolly knows something about, or used to. Most of the Texans who seek Dolly out for nature training or advice have no idea whom they&#8217;re talking to. They know her by her real name, not as &#8220;Dolly Freed,&#8221; author of Possum Living: How to Live Well Without a Job and with (Almost) No Money, a book that in the late 1970s made Dolly one of the most famous teenagers in America.

She wrote the book at age eighteen, drawing her ideas about self-sustenance and thrift from the semi-rural life she and her father, Frank, lived outside of Philadelphia. The economy was as dismal as the one we&#8217;re in now, but Dolly and Frank were quite happy to have no jobs&#8212;they rejected the &#8220;money economy,&#8221; choosing instead to make their own way and avoid the &#8220;gracious living&#8221; and acquisition-based one-upmanship that seemed to make so many other Americans miserable. &#8220;We have and get the good things of life so easily it seems silly to go to some boring, meaningless, frustrating job to get the money to buy them,&#8221; Dolly wrote, &#8220;yet almost everyone does. &#8216;Earning their way in life,&#8217; they call it. &#8216;Slavery,&#8217; I call it.&#8221; She and Frank referred to their existence as &#8220;possum living&#8221; because &#8220;possums can live anywhere.&#8221;

Possum Living contains twenty chapters with titles such as &#8220;We Quit the Rat Race,&#8221; &#8220;Health and Medicine,&#8221; and &#8220;Meat.&#8221; It includes instructions for mending clothes, pickling vegetables, and buying bargain homes in what Dolly called &#8220;sheriff sales&#8221; and everyone now calls foreclosure, plus recipes for the kind of food she and her father cooked and ate, like creamed catfish, rocket pickle, and dandelion wine. &#8220;We aren&#8217;t living this way for ideological reasons, as people sometimes suppose,&#8221; she wrote of the home she called Snug Harbor. &#8220;We aren&#8217;t a couple of Thoreaus mooning about on Walden Pond here. &#8230; We live this way for a very simple reason: It&#8217;s easier to learn to do without some of the things that money can buy than to earn the money to buy them.&#8221;

The lessons aren&#8217;t for everyone, since most people aren&#8217;t planning to shoot a turtle in the head and turn it into soup. The larger charm of Possum Living is its timeless sensibility and voice&#8212;on the page (and in person, for that matter) Dolly Freed is like a cross between E.B. White and Dorothy Parker, but bearing rabbit sausage and homemade gin. &#8220;There&#8217;s an abandoned orchard in our neighborhood and we get peaches, pears, cherries, and apples there, free,&#8221; she wrote. &#8220;None of the neighbors bother with them&#8212;they apparently don&#8217;t consider food to be food unless it&#8217;s bought and paid for in a licensed grocery store.&#8221; 1

It isn&#8217;t often that readers encounter a recipe for fishballs in the same book that mentions Diogenes, Napoleon, Darwin, Wagner, Demosthenes, sixth-century Constantinople, and Ecclesiastes, but Dolly wrote as economically as she dressed rabbits for braising, wasting nothing. She dropped in the occasional Dollyism: &#8220;Quality candles practically sell themselves,&#8221; and &#8220;Math is a pretty good opiate to dull the pain of a Northeast winter.&#8221;

She never really "disappeared" but she did reduce her economic reliance on modern society, the process necessitating an acquisition of various skill-sets and I imagine an almost encyclopedic catalogue of knowledge that stretched from botany and ecology to butchering. I have not read the book but I plan to.
 
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