Is it worth it to illegally carry a gun on a hike?

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Why would you take a young child into uncharted lands anyway? That's the part I don't get. The kid probably won't care if you're 1 mile or 100 miles from civalization. If you're comfortable without a gun when you're alone, then take your child on trips where you won't be encountering "forrest meth labs" or whatever. Lots more can go wrong with a kid than getting shot at with AK-47s when you're far off the beaten trail. Bears, Dogs, Cats, etc... Maybe I'm just a little paranoid, but I'd leave the trekking for the grownups, and take the kids on the known routes. Besides, then you don't have to think about all that other crap, and can focus on the REAL reasons you and your kid are out there; education, fun, together time.
 
Bushman5 said:
I'm curious about one thing where you guys live (where its illegal to carry a firearm while hiking).

Do they search you and your pack when you go hiking, before , during or after a hike?

just wondering why one could'nt just carry a firearm discretely and have it......
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I've been all over and have never seen or heard of a search before a hike. I have been inspected for my hunting license and permission letter (hunting on a friend’s private property) in GA. Unless you’re busted committing a crime, running a meth lab or hunting in the off-season (i.e. small game after deer season) there’s no legal reason for a search of your person when outdoors.

I will always recommend obeying the law, but I will always be prepared to protect my family when outdoors. Should I fear a felony charge over bodily harm to myself or family? Seeing my wife or daughter raped? I've been shot at protecting the Second Amendment and I will legally carry whenever I can and avoid where I can't. If the walking stick and pepper spray don't work after trying to talk my way out of a "situation", the last thing on my mind is a courtroom.

It's a personal choice and if you can't find a legal way there are other options and tough decisions to make. Safety to you and your family is your job, nobody else’s and there will not be a lawyer or cop to protect your or tell the perp that murder, rape and assault are illegal when the unfortunate situation presents itself.

That's my two-cents but a firearm is really my last means of defense yet there are so many other options starting with basic situational awareness and avoiding bad situations. Laws are meant to keep bad people from doing bad things, not from handicapping me from defending myself or my family; laws are only effective in courtrooms, not life-or-death situations or funerals.

ROCK6
 
bushman...dude, I think I kinda read something wrong somewhere. Just got off a 14-hr shift. Oops...disregard...
 
The REAL Commander said:
The buggers who maraud should be drafted and sent overseas; it would prevent honest moms and dads from losing sons and daughters.
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That makes sense, take folks who can’t function normally and put them in a high stress environment where teamwork and discipline are paramount.
 
SubaruSTi said:
your paranoid. Your more likely to kill yourself or your child with the firearm than a "bad guy".
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Spoken like a true IDIOT... you are far to trusting and need to get off the computer and go live in the real world...A responsible trained firearms owner will be safer with kids and themselves than you would be with a damn kithcen knife.
SubaruSTi said:
murder is illegal
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yes it is...I will not argue that...but If you are so devoted to the idea that killing for self preservation is a bad thing than by all means please keep on living that way...we will not miss you.

I HATE TROLLS!
 
The liberals have managed to railroad through the countermeasure for us to defend ourselves and strip away our right to bear arms. It is the right to bear stupidity, and there seems to be no stopping it short of becoming an informed citizen.

Be smart. Be safe. Be prepared.
 
Why the pile-on for SubaruSTi? I think that's been covered now. Let's focus on the OP's question here.

I don't regularly carry a firearm in the wilderness and the older I get the less necessary it seems--even though it's legal here to carry open. To carry a firearm illegally just seems like a bad idea to me. What are you trying to teach your daughter? (The world is a really scary place, and sometimes you have to break the law to assuage your fears?)

Could you do it? I've never been searched coming out of the woods, but that doesn't mean there aren't circumstances that may occur whereby the crime may be detected.

And what if you actually use said firearm? I suppose if you feel compelled to use an illegal firearm, you'd be glad you brought it along. But if you are really that worried, don't go. Would you carry an illegal firearm to the mall? Or the city park? Or the post office? The woods are far safer than the city, do you carry illegally everywhere?

And guys, to post an opinion in favor of carrying illegally is really dumb. You have established an electronic record of your intent. Anyone who does so is setting themselves up for a legal nightmare should he or she actually need to use deadly force, however justified they might be. Listen to the prosecutor.

Be prepared? Be smart.
 
ROCK6 said:
I've been all over and have never seen or heard of a search before a hike. I have been inspected for my hunting license and permission letter (hunting on a friend’s private property) in GA. Unless you’re busted committing a crime, running a meth lab or hunting in the off-season (i.e. small game after deer season) there’s no legal reason for a search of your person when outdoors.

I will always recommend obeying the law, but I will always be prepared to protect my family when outdoors. Should I fear a felony charge over bodily harm to myself or family? Seeing my wife or daughter raped? I've been shot at protecting the Second Amendment and I will legally carry whenever I can and avoid where I can't. If the walking stick and pepper spray don't work after trying to talk my way out of a "situation", the last thing on my mind is a courtroom.

It's a personal choice and if you can't find a legal way there are other options and tough decisions to make. Safety to you and your family is your job, nobody else’s and there will not be a lawyer or cop to protect your or tell the perp that murder, rape and assault are illegal when the unfortunate situation presents itself.

That's my two-cents but a firearm is really my last means of defense yet there are so many other options starting with basic situational awareness and avoiding bad situations. Laws are meant to keep bad people from doing bad things, not from handicapping me from defending myself or my family; laws are only effective in courtrooms, not life-or-death situations or funerals.

ROCK6
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+1:thumbup: on everything he said.
 
"Concealed is concealed."

It will only be "worth" carrying the one time you need it. At that point, will value of having the gun outweigh the risks you've taken? When protecting family, I'd say that's a resounding YES.

Just my spin.
 
Rotte said:
Why the pile-on for SubaruSTi? I think that's been covered now. Let's focus on the OP's question here.
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Rotte,

I'll tell you why. Anywhere you encounter that B.S. Johns Hopkins "Study" or the fecal smear of the remnants of it, it should be soundly refuted and the messenger of it just as soundly thrashed.

Even if someone doesn't particularly care for firearms they should want the truth instead of the absolute corruption of science. The "Study" was performed by doctors, scientists and other personnel at Johns Hopkins who entered in statistics that skewed the results in favor of their agenda.

That's why when "statistics" are cited or statisticians are put on a throne, I wince. They are constantly misused and Dr. John Lott is about the only honest "liberal" I have read in three decades on the subject and he started out being anti-gun and changed his mind when he honestly looked at the statistics, he is extremely rare.

I would also totally ignore the collective yammering of lawyers when it comes to bear spray and other things being used on humans. If you have bear spray and a violent human being attacks you on the trail you are not going to be charged with anything and probably not going to be sued either, not in this country.

In Canada where you are specifically prohibited from using O.C. Pepper Spray on a human being for defensive purposes, you may or may not be charged or cited in some way for doing so. But in the States, you are not going to be in any hot water unless you are in an area that prohibits the possession of O.C. Pepper Spray. If someone breaks into your home and assaults your wife and she lets the crackhead have a face full of Easy Off Oven Cleaner or Lysol, nothing is probably going to happen in that instance either.
 
Don Rearic said:
I would also totally ignore the collective yammering of lawyers when it comes to bear spray and other things being used on humans. If you have bear spray and a violent human being attacks you on the trail you are not going to be charged with anything and probably not going to be sued either, not in this country.
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Hey, I'm totally with you here. I carry bear spray in case of bear attack--I occasionally travel in Grizzly country--but if the need arises, I'd use it in a heartbeat on an aggressor. And it's handy right there on my belt or pack, as opposed to being stuffed in the bottom of the pack.

Let me say here as well, that I'm an NRA member and contribute to the NRA civil rights defense fund--I'm in favor of ensuring our civil firearm rights. More will get done with dollars than ranting on the web ;). I just don't carry a firearm illegally. I usually don't carry one at all unless I'm hunting.
 
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It's generally rather foolish to break laws that have such Draconian consequences. But everyone has to make that decision on their own. I do believe any law regarding weapons that doesn't specifically address what the person is actually doing with the device/item/weapon is immoral, unethical and anti-American. But that's just me.

One of the reasons so many people despise the law right now and oftentimes pay it no mind is because they are passing so many bullshit laws! Like in the slingshot thread, how in the hell can someone "respect" that particular law? I mean, thinking men cannot. I respect the laws that make sense. I have no time for all the rest of the garbage being passed by control freaks. That doesn't mean I don't abide by them, I want no hassles, but I hate them and those that pass them and I will break them at any given moment if I see a need to.
 
If you illegally carry and get caught one way or the other (usage of firearm for defense or just checking out) you give all those who do carry firearms a bad name. You also give people like the Brady dirtbags ammo to use AGAINST the 2A and anybody who owns a firearm. You also take a big risk on leaving your child fatherless for many years.

If it's that big a concern to you...stay out of the woods. I don't mean to insult you or hurt your feelings, but if you don't feel safe in the wilderness for one reason or another, or you fear for the safety of your child...don't go; or leave your daughter at home; or you could always move to a more people friendly state. They call it "Commie-fornia" for a reason, m'friend.

And if you assault someone with bear repellent, be prepared to have a nice trial in court and probably a jail stay. I'm pretty sure there's a warning on the can that will say: "It is illegal to use this object in a manner other than directed." That means spraying people with it. There's a reason they make pepperspray. If OC pepperspray in a small can doesn't make you feel better; go over to galls.com and buy a MK-10 fogger of OC/CS (pepperspray/teargas mix) and carry it like "Dog the Bounty Hunter".

However, if you carry a gun illegally...you deserve the judicial treatment you get, because you did it to yourself.
 
Don Rearic said:
It's generally rather foolish to break laws that have such Draconian consequences. But everyone has to make that decision on their own. I do believe any law regarding weapons that doesn't specifically address what the person is actually doing with the device/item/weapon is immoral, unethical and anti-American. But that's just me.

One of the reasons so many people despise the law right now and oftentimes pay it no mind is because they are passing so many bullshit laws! Like in the slingshot thread, how in the hell can someone "respect" that particular law? I mean, thinking men cannot. I respect the laws that make sense. I have no time for all the rest of the garbage being passed by control freaks. That doesn't mean I don't abide by them, I want no hassles, but I hate them and those that pass them and I will break them at any given moment if I see a need to.
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+1

The key point here is "thinking men" there seem to be so few left that can make up their own mind. It is a failed society that knowingly takes away a law abiding citizen's only means to defend himself and his loved ones. Chris
 
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