Is it worth it to illegally carry a gun on a hike?

[sodak]

Well, a couple more points. If you decide to carry concealed and you're worried about legalities, then carry a revolver. You don't want to waste precious time trying to find your brass.

While it's hard to change laws by voting in the "right" legislature, there is a very important safeguard built into our courts, it's called jury nullification. No matter what the judge instructs the jury, if they feel that the law is unjust, they can vote "Not Guilty" and there's not a damn thing any judge can do about it. Make sure all your friends and neighbors know about this.

http://www.fija.org/

I had fun with a very liberal instructor at the law school of a large university. I asked about jury nullification, and if you could use it, and he got all excited, said "Yes", and gave me examples of it's use during the Civil War era. It seems that while the North was "free" country for slaves, helping an escaped slave in the North was a felony. Evidently it was an attempt to keep some sort of peace with the South right before the war. Juries would consistently find people that helped slaves (and caught red-handed) not guilty, basically thumbing their noses at the courts. I told this professor that this could be used against immoral gun control laws, and his jaw tightened, but couldn't say much against it....

What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

 

[James_Terrio]

http://www.fija.org/
What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

The informed-jury movement is an interesting one, but I wouldn't bet my freedom on the concept.

Kind of like the folks who point out, the Constitution doesn't recognize/allow the IRS, so you don't have to pay income tax; well, good luck with that...

If you decide to carry concealed and you're worried about legalities, then carry a revolver. You don't want to waste precious time trying to find your brass.

OK, now that's funny, thanks for lightening up the thread a bit

 

[estanaway]

your paranoid. Your more likely to kill yourself or your child with the firearm than a "bad guy".

Pencils and ink pens cause misspelled words too, right

 

[James_Terrio]

Guns don't kill people, bullets do

C'mon, give it up already on the SubaruSTi pile-on. He was wrong, we all know it, so what?

 

[ROCK6]

I know that everyone here truly does try and want to obey the law as most honest citizens would. However, I would bet that everybody on these forums has broken some law at some point in their lives, and I'm not talking about exceeding the speed limit or rolling through a stop sign. I always joke with a buddy of mine from South Carolina (just as an example as every state has their own stupid laws) about everything that he does is illegal and of course actions that are legal but you would be completely insane to attempt:

It is illegal to give or receive oral sex in South Carolina.

It is considered an offense to get a tattoo.

No work may be done on Sunday.

It is perfectly legal to beat your wife on the court house steps on Sundays.

Musical instruments may not be sold on Sunday.

This state still prohibits unmarried people from having sex under any circumstances.
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There are a whole host of truly outdated and idiotic laws across America. Unfortunately, defending yourself with a firearm has become taboo and the most notorious for the media to demonize...which makes it especially ironic since it is the Second Amendment to the Constitution and recently declared an individual right by the Supreme Court as already stated. Citizens carrying firearms only threaten criminals and politicians; if someone could promise me that criminals and politics will be kept out of the wilderness, parks and National Forests, I'll promise to...oh, never mind

ROCK6

 

[Don Rearic]

I love your passion Don.

Most days I don't condone anarchy, but I must admit there are some days when it has it's appeal. Usually though I'm just a run of the mill hypocrite who likes to talk about principles more than actually living up to them. I do try though.

In the end, the law is the law and is one of the most useful human inventions of all time...even though it typical pisses me off more days than not.

Rotte,

I'm being sarcastic, you said it dude!

I truly would not want a world, a country, where anarchy reigns supreme. All I am saying is, for quite some time we have had a system that fits the exact definition of "Draconian." Draco was an Athenian lawyer, forgive my spelling or if I get anything bent, that crafted a technically beautiful set of laws. By design or not, it was an oppressive web that basically left everyone an outlaw.

Now, when you hear someone say shit like, "ignorance of the law is no excuse," that's true, it's also morally and ethically reprehensible in the extreme. Our own law enforcement officers cannot keep up with the deluge, how can the average Citizen?

Sometimes I wish something would happen that would reset us back a couple hundred years and we could build it back up again and hopefully we could teach kids what "Draconian" means and what "usury" means and a host of other words and give them teeth.

 

[hannibal lecter spyderco]

Not for the 1st offense
I believe it is a misdemeanor or an infraction at worst

Really, I was under the impression that in california its a felony. I've been thinking of applying for ccw in california and was told that it was a felony on another board.

 

[bulgron]

Really, I was under the impression that in california its a felony. I've been thinking of applying for ccw in california and was told that it was a felony on another board.

Once again: If you carry a concealed weapon without a permit:

- It is two misdemeanors if the firearm is registered to you and you are not in an otherwise prohibited place (such as within 1000 feet of a school)
- Otherwise, it is a felony.

 

[Bushman5]

bushman...dude, I think I kinda read something wrong somewhere. Just got off a 14-hr shift. Oops...disregard...

no worries, i just did'nt want an infraction...

 

[scotchleaf]

I carry when I hike - but I have a permit. I've never had to pull my pistol, but it is comforting, especially when some moron lets his snarling dog run off leash up to my four year old.

 

[STAGE 2]

No matter what the judge instructs the jury, if they feel that the law is unjust, they can vote "Not Guilty" and there's not a damn thing any judge can do about it.

Not to get on too much of a tangent, but jury nullification isn't a valid exerise of a jurors power. Doing such a thing after stating under oath that you will abide by the judges instructions is violating said oath. Are they ever going to catch you, no. Does that mean it is a constitutional or otherwise honorable means of acting, no.

 

[sodak]

Not to get on too much of a tangent, but jury nullification isn't a valid exerise of a jurors power. Doing such a thing after stating under oath that you will abide by the judges instructions is violating said oath. Are they ever going to catch you, no. Does that mean it is a constitutional or otherwise honorable means of acting, no.

It is absolutely valid and honorable, and the final check and balance on our laws, designed that way on purpose.

 

[k_estela]

Having just returned from a great winter camping trip, I was hoping this forum and its members would know what is appropriate here. I guess not. This post is one that no amount of advice will answer. I personally will not tell a person what to do as it is their decision. Insults and witty comments won't help make a person's mind up for them. Everyone had their fun with this and now it is over. From here on out, post questions like this in the community center or political forum. The Wilderness and Survival Skills forum is not the place for a question like this.