Is the Sebenza the best folder that money can buy?

[RedEdge77]

i refuse to search for blah!!!!! just answer the F****** question!! lol

 

[Brian Jones]

Yet another thread "CLIFFJACKED!" (Graphic courtesy of fellow BFC member)

 

[Anarcus]

Erm..... The one I have for sale is

Seriously though I bought a second hand one about six months ago and have thoroughly enjoyed owning it. I don't have the vast experience of some members so have little to compare it too. I would, however, urge anyone who hasn't owned one to give it a try.

My personal opinion is that as new there overpriced (well they can't be really can they given that CR has no problem shifting stock?)

Fit and Finish is excelent (tell me something else is better, you may well be right . Remember my limited experience)

As for ergonomics, the thumb stud is cack (but then my thumb must be defective)

The sharp pointy bit is just that but I prefer a flat grind rather than hollow (vital distinction for the hard use letter opening that I engage in)

In my view though the bigest problem is the polarisation that the Sebenza seems to induce in people which often results in people becoming very entrenched in there position and combatant which is a shame. After all its only a knife (runs off to hide in a corner the other side of the Atlantic)

Oh please, no PM's the Sebenza isn't for sale, I'm trading it for a custom slip joint

 

[Stone Knife]

blah blah blah blah blah

Jezzuz, YES! Thank you.

 

[STR]

Yep.

Derailed again it seems. On the original question. How can one define best for someone else when we have trouble even defining if for ourselves from one day to the next?

Which Sebenza are we talking about? One with an S30V blade, a BG42 blade or maybe an ATS34 one?? You see? This question cannot be answered. If I was going to buy another I'd get a BG42 blade steel. I am not too impressed with the other choices available at this time.

I don't particularly care for the looks of the Sebie and feel it is not as pleasing to the eye as other knives for around the same price. I am also not a fan of the blade shape. So without the option to get a lock other than a frame lock, and without the option to get a different blade style I would say no it is not the best. For about the same money I can have any number of custom makers make me up a knife just as beefy and just as great in the steel I want with the lock I want and the blade style I prefer.

Now if Chris wants to offer the Sebie in various shaped blades and lock styles like a Spear point lock back, or a Wharncliff lock back and even different grinds like flat, hollow, modified V or convex then I would be more inclined to vote it the best. As is though it is just a great knife sold pretty much one way with an occassional color scheme or wood overlay for even more than the already $150 to $200 higher price than it should actually sell for. IMO.

 

[mike_mck2]

Yet another thread "CLIFFJACKED!" (Graphic courtesy of fellow BFC member)

Yes, like Cliff did it all by himself?

At least Cliff actually contributes something to the thread, whereas quite a few people can't muster up even that much.

Frankly, I would rather see anything at all from anyone actually trying to contribute something as opposed to some of the witless gits that complain about rehashing this or other topics, using the search function, or trying to figure out if the original poster is a troll or not.
If you lack even the small amount of self control & maturity to stay out of threads that do not interest you, that's pretty pathetic. And then to complain about it like it's someone else's fault, that's just bizarre.

 

[Cliff Stamp]

Are you saying that you do not expect the price to be higher.

As I noted already, I would expect the maker to set the price based on on considerations of profit. If he feels he can get more for the higher finish then I would expect him to do so. This does not influence my perspective on its value.

Is an incorrect answer to a question based on limited experience a prejudiced answer?

All experience is limited, thus all incorrect actions are prejudiced?

Consider Cougar's actions as a mod. I am sure that Cougar would be the first to admit he is not omniscient, isn't perfect and in retrospect probably has taken actions that were less than optimal.

Does this make him a prejudiced moderator?

He is always willing to listen to new information and consider it rationally thus I would argue he is not prejudiced even though he does not know everything and probably makes mistakes.

How can one define best for someone else ...

Ask them what they want.

[sebenza]

I am also not a fan of the blade shape.

I like the shape for general utility, nice precise point, decent curve, stock is a little too thick. It is also one of the few folders with a deep hollow grind which allows honing to really low edge angles, mine is at ~5 degrees, and this mod can be done with just an x-coarse stone. I did the same with the Meadowlark, but it took way longer as the hollow grind isn't as deep even though the steel is easier to work.

To get the same on a flat grind I would need to basically reset the primary grind or the ease of sharpening would be horrible as the bevel would be massively wide. The edge is only ~2 mm on the small Sebenza and I can reset it on a x-coarse waterstone in the faction of the time it takes me to reset a 10 degree edge on a puukko - even though S30V machines horribly compared to plain carbon steel.

I would like to see the new Calpyso Jr. with a similar hollow profile, and use the recessed clip that Reeve uses or at least use torx or regular screw head types.

Prejudice = pre judged.

Everyone has preexisting ideas based on what they know which is less than everything. It becomes a prejudice when you ignore new information and refuse to change preconceptions, or simply form your conclusions irrationally in the first place.

For example lets assume you use a handful of ATS-34 blades and they all chip readily on a given type of work, you then come to the conclusion it is a brittle steel and not suitable for that. You are then asked to try out another ATS-34 blade for the same tasks.

Now if someone asked you about the likely behavior it would be obvious what you would say. This does not make it prejudiced. However if the ATS-34 blade doesn't chip, and you ignore that and pretend it didn't happen - that is a prejudice.

-Cliff

 

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[Scott Dog]

All things considered I think it's the best folder made.

 

[USAFSP]

There are plenty of great folders on the market. Most of them have a place in someones pocket. For me the best is a Sebenza.

 

[Stormdrane]

Don't tell me to search...just answer the question .

...And the answer is!.......Yes....No....Maybe.... Figure it out for yourself. There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

 

[Kohai999]

because this one has been.....


and that says it all!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[m1marty]

Just in case the last pic is hard to see........

 

[Nathan S]

*snort* dang, sprayed coffee on my keyboard. You guys crack me up ...

 

[hardheart]

I've always felt that the Sebenza was priced for features that have no bearing on function. The level of fit & finish is absolutely far too high for a user, and really does nothing for the ergos ar aesthetics, imo. Perhaps having wasted my years using power and hand tools in construction, fabrication, oilfield work, and the military have left me with an improper perspective on what I should judge a tool on. Maybe I need more time pounding out code in a cubicle to understand why it's more important that my tools look good instead of expecting a proportionate increase in price and performance from the build labor.

 

[mathman]

Now I Understand What Some Of You Were Saying In The Beginning Of This Thread...and I Am Truly Sorry For Ever Starting It. Can't We Just Let This One Go? Please?

 

[Cliff Stamp]

Perhaps having wasted my years ...

Yeah, you are obviously not high speed enough to appreciate the superior level of finish on this working knife :

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/CliffStamp/misc/olfa_hd.jpg

This is a extra heavy duty Olfa knife, it isn't mine, mine actually looks a little better, but I mainly use the regular heavy duty model. The extra part refers to the thicker blade, a massive 1/32", intended for heavier cutting than the standard model.

These are the main working knives used locally by tradesmen, almost no one carries the traditional carpenter knives, the Olfa blades are simply far more versatile as you can extend them, which also gives them a much longer edge life, and yeah they all look like that.

Yes, like Cliff did it all by himself?

Well it is amusing to me when I was responding on topic discussing the Sebenza in comparion to other knives while a number of other people were engaging in an off topic META discussion, and then Gus interjects with a tangent on the semantics of prejudice, but somehow I hijacked the thread. It must be the shoes.

-Cliff

 

[DaveH]

no.

mathman will go down in history as the one that started the sebenza thread the 3rd week of august 2005.

of course next week they'll be ANOTHER sebenza thread started by somebody else..

 

[Scott Dog]

I've thought about this all day and my answer is still the same.