Is there any better one hand open and close lock on a folder than an Axis lock?

Liners and Frames are reasonably fast, but you do have to put your thumb in front of the blade, then move it outta the way once you get the close initiated. Adds some extra movement/adjustment that slows em down a tad.
I'm playing with my CRK Sebenza and I just don't see it. Maybe when you first use a frame or linerlock it'll slow you down, but moving my thumb out of the way is almost unconscious behavior to me. In fact, I have never in living memory ever cut my thumb in such a manner. My fingers have been cut more often while resisting the pressure of the torsion bar in an assisted opening knife.

I also doubt that quarter second of extra closing time would matter unless you're in a life or death situation in which that knife needs to close right now. I would think getting it open would be more crucial. But perhaps my opinion is biased in that I've regularly used a Buck 110 and know what slow opening and closing really means.
 
I frequently walk around opening and closing my knives, and there are often times that I must quickly retreat my knife back into my pocket, so as to not scare or freak someone out.
Gotta love the Axis-lock.
 
I haven't gotten to handle it yet, but the G&G Hawk T.O.A.D. lock looks like it might close with the same speed and even greater ease. From what I can tell releasing the lock causes the knife to close. Can't get much simpler or faster than that.
 
Para 2 - open it with your middle finger - wheeeee!!! :D:D

It's amazing what good geometry can achieve!
 
I frequently walk around opening and closing my knives, and there are often times that I must quickly retreat my knife back into my pocket, so as to not scare or freak someone out.
Gotta love the Axis-lock.

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Axis lock: When milliseconds count.
 
For years now I've been touting the AXIS (non-assisted) as the quickest folding knife around apart from a D/A OTF auto.

Personally I've found that speed doesn't really matter to me (I've been carrying slipjoints as my main EDC for over a year now), but if speed is what you need, you can't beat the AXIS lock. I'll grant that I haven't played around with the Arc lock on an SOG or a caged BB lock on a Spyderco or the bolt action lock on the Sage 3, but I honestly can't imagine that they're faster than an AXIS.
 
SOG arc lock.

I have a sog access card 2 and it opens and closes as smooth as the axis lock on my benchmade 940.
 
The new BM Adamas, takes the opening to a new level. I can just hold the knife in my hand and merely flick it and the heavy blade just falls out and open. And that's without touching the lock at all.
 
He asked a question, and we answered. I don't think it's false praise to say the Axis lock is an extremely fast/easy to operate lock. Doesn't mean its the best lock ever made, but speed is unquestionably a strong point of the design. It is great that you like your liners and lockbacks, they are perfectly good locks, with some strengths over other designs. I don't think speed is one of them personally (especially for the lockback), and that was the subject of the OP. You may be raging against a machine that doesn't really exist here...

My feeling exactly....:):)
Most people I know that have them LOVE them, never know till you try...;);)

+1 on the spring in the axis breaking, I have three and NEVER had any springs break.
 
I'm playing with my CRK Sebenza and I just don't see it. Maybe when you first use a frame or linerlock it'll slow you down, but moving my thumb out of the way is almost unconscious behavior to me. In fact, I have never in living memory ever cut my thumb in such a manner. My fingers have been cut more often while resisting the pressure of the torsion bar in an assisted opening knife.

I also doubt that quarter second of extra closing time would matter unless you're in a life or death situation in which that knife needs to close right now. I would think getting it open would be more crucial. But perhaps my opinion is biased in that I've regularly used a Buck 110 and know what slow opening and closing really means.

Well, first of all, I never said anything about getting cut, just that you gotta move your thumb outta the way (granted, you see a few youtube videos of people getting cut with liners and framelocks closing them, but if you are careful, you will be totally fine). If cutting yourself was a major problem with the lock, I doubt they would be so popular. Second, I didn't say frames/liner locks were slow at all. Just not as fast as an axis, and third, I agree that speed isn't a big deal really, at least in the vast majority of situations. I do still believe that the Axis is faster/easier to close than Frame/Liner locks in general. I also agree that a Buck 110 is a "slow" closing knife, compared to both frame/liner and axis lock.
 
Well, first of all, I never said anything about getting cut, just that you gotta move your thumb outta the way (granted, you see a few youtube videos of people getting cut with liners and framelocks closing them, but if you are careful, you will be totally fine). If cutting yourself was a major problem with the lock, I doubt they would be so popular. Second, I didn't say frames/liner locks were slow at all. Just not as fast as an axis, and third, I agree that speed isn't a big deal really, at least in the vast majority of situations. I do still believe that the Axis is faster/easier to close than Frame/Liner locks in general. I also agree that a Buck 110 is a "slow" closing knife, compared to both frame/liner and axis lock.

I'd venture that the few video (if there are that many) displaying guys cut up really bad from a framelock or linerlock failure, are videos of guys who are pretty dumb and not inspecting their knives before use, overusing them in some way, not paying attention to what they're doing or just plain dumb (oops I said that once already). :D
 
I'd venture that the few video (if there are that many) displaying guys cut up really bad from a framelock or linerlock failure, are videos of guys who are pretty dumb and not inspecting their knives before use, overusing them in some way, not paying attention to what they're doing or just plain dumb (oops I said that once already). :D

Agreed. I have only ever cut myself with slipjoints, and even then it was me being stupid. Especially with my peanut. Was closing the Pen blade with my finger on top of the handle, just assuming since the blade was short I had room...now that was freaking stupid lol.
 
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I have them all. As much as I like my BM, I feel there are other just as fast knives with more solid blade retention. Benchmade is great but all my knives have a touch of blade play no matter how many times I adjust the pivot or take them appart to fix the issue. My Spyderco Para 2 is just as fast but has no blade movement what so ever. I have a few of each brand and the other knives act similar. The Hogue is fast and solid with no blade play as well, I just hate the idiot lock out feature on the Hogue. The fastest deployment is one of my Emerson wave knives. Nothing is even as close as a Emerson in speed of deployment. I still favore a frame or liner lock.
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Nothing I haver ever owned is as smooth to open and close as my Kirby Lambert Orion MGT custom. It's in another league.
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I find a good framelock or liner lock are my favorites for one handed operation by far but some of these locks work better on certain knives than others.

Axis Lock? Eh . . .

Same here.

Me too. Why no framelock love in this thread? :(

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Most every folder I have(90%) is a Ti framelock.I had a Gold Class Grip w/M4 blade & CF handle.It was beautiful,but I just couldn't warm up to the axis-lock.Same thing with the compression lock on the Para.
I like framelocks mostly because of the minimal amount of parts involved & the ease of dis assembly & cleaning.
Whatever works for you is all that matters.
 
If the concern is not to freak out the sheeple when needing to close and hide your knife quickly, it seems to me that anyone seeing the Axis wirst flip in action would see that as more threatening than a smooth, slight of hand action . . .
 
Never had an Omega spring break in all of the AXIS folders I've owned. All of mine were users and got carried regularly. I've scraped saltwater corrosion off of the springs, but never had one break.

The only fault I have with the AXIS lock is how easy it gets dirty. But the beauty of the design is the large margin of lock the bar can get to even if there's some lint or something in the way. It's just a really well though out design in my opinion.
 
The new BM Adamas, takes the opening to a new level. I can just hold the knife in my hand and merely flick it and the heavy blade just falls out and open. And that's without touching the lock at all.

I personally have ZERO issue with that and think it's a great feature. However, my understanding is that in some locales, this very feature (falling open by use of gravity, a flick of the wrist, etc.) can make the knife illegal by definition. It depends on who's doing the interpreting of the law, of course, and most folks will never have a problem. But consider the wording of this portion of WA state law, where I live:

From http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.250

(1) Every person who:

(a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(b) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

(c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm unless the suppressor is legally registered and possessed in accordance with federal law,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.


It goes on to add that the only exceptions are for law enforcement officers.

Again, I don't like this legislation, and our state is working to change it with some current pending bills. However, I'm afraid this law could easily be interpreted to apply to those that open like the one described above. And of course, this could easily be applied to ANY Axis lock, which is annoying to say the least because I LIKE the Axis lock, a lot.
 
If the concern is not to freak out the sheeple when needing to close and hide your knife quickly, it seems to me that anyone seeing the Axis wirst flip in action would see that as more threatening than a smooth, slight of hand action . . .

My whole thing with the love of the axis isn't about if or how it can be sneaky or not to open or close it.
I just like how if I'm working on something and kind of need two hands but need to cut something, I can hold it with one hand, make the cut and quickly close it back up with one hand and get back to work.
 
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