Is This Hunting?

Nobody on the outdoor channel hunts, they spend thousands on gear and stuff to hunt a mangy deer. Its 100% stupid. Hunting with a gun/bow and a knife and some binoculars is real hunting. I saw a fat woman bring down a bear and theirs no way she knew what she was doing. She couldnt even set up her own weapon.

Those people drive a car to the general area then hop on a ATV then walk 10-20 feet to the kill...

the worst part about it is their all talking about how extreme it was, how sick are those people?
 
beezaur said:
I gave up rifle hunting for large game years ago. There got to be too many people out there with dubious behaviors for my tastes.

It has turned out to be a good thing. I really like bow hunting a lot better, even if it is much harder to get anything. I still use the modern firearm for 'yote perforation, however.

Work is the big problem. Not much time these days. I need to win the lottery and get out more. Guess I better start buying lottery tickets then. . .

Scott
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I just got home from hunting, I didn't kill anything, my dog only made one tree and there was too many leaves to see the squirrel, the wind was blowing a little too hard for a good evening but I enjoyed myself anyway.

Scott,
Your EBUS, (Everybody But Us Sucks) attitude is excactly what I was talking about in a former post. Your statement about you only hunt with a bow, alluding to rifle hunters are slobs is BS. I am really curious, have you ever hunted over a feeder? I think that you might find it is not nearly as easy as you presume. The shows that you watch on TV are not real life they are filmed on high fence ranches that cost thousands of dollars to hunt on, they are just like the bass fishing shows that are filmed on private lakes and edited to make it look like the host catches several 8 pound bass in 30 minutes, yeah right!!!

Go down to Texas around Laredo and try to kill a deer, any deer, without a feeder. The world is not cut and dried, black and white, open your mind, there are good, ethical, conscientious hunters that hunt with rifles and shotguns and any other method you care to name.
 
SubaruSTi said:
Nobody on the outdoor channel hunts, they spend thousands on gear and stuff to hunt a mangy deer. Its 100% stupid. Hunting with a gun/bow and a knife and some binoculars is real hunting. I saw a fat woman bring down a bear and theirs no way she knew what she was doing. She couldnt even set up her own weapon.

Those people drive a car to the general area then hop on a ATV then walk 10-20 feet to the kill...

the worst part about it is their all talking about how extreme it was, how sick are those people?
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They are not sick at all, they are enjoying a pastime that THEY enjoy, I don't like soccer but I don't call people that do sick.:mad:
 
runningboar said:
Scott,
Your EBUS, (Everybody But Us Sucks) attitude is excactly what I was talking about in a former post. Your statement about you only hunt with a bow, alluding to rifle hunters are slobs is BS. I am really curious, have you ever hunted over a feeder? . . .
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Those are two differnt things.

I don't think much of using bait. It is basically like fishing for deer where I am, probably not even that hard. I don't see a problem with it, but I don't like it myself. I like to get out and either find a good place to wait or actually track things. As I said, it isn't wrong or bad, in fact pretty benign. It just isn't my thing.

Many of the rifle hunters around my neighborhood ARE slobs. Those things I mentioned -- pulling down fences, shooting road signs, shooting farm animals -- are things I have years of personal experience with. In addition, I have been involved in several threatening situations, either where people were shooting without regard to safety and endangered me, or where implied threats were issued to the tone of, "get out of my hunting territory or something will happen."

And, can no one handle a gun anymore? I cannot count the number of times I have been covered by someone's muzzle or "checked out" through a rifle scope. Oh, but the safety is on. Great.

Not long ago we stopped someone driving out of our place in a truck, and asked them what they were doing. The guy gets this sarcastic/incredulous tone and says it's hunting season, like what the heck is your problem. Well, it's also no trespassing season. He thought my attitude sucked too.

So now I go out with my bow. The seasons are long, and nobody is in a 2-1/2-week frenzy to kill a deer, or an even worse 1-week frenzy for an elk. The range is short, so no danger from some moron on the next ridge. Generally speaking, bow hunting requires a whole order of magnitude more patience. You cannot drive around drunk in your truck with a bow and expect to get anything. Where I live, bowhunters have a completely different culture than rifle hunters. That is a painful fact.

I would rather stay with my rifle and do what I did as a kid. But the fraction if morons has skyrocketed since the 1980s. There are too many of them who behave, well, like slobs. There are a lot of good ones, but too many bad ones.

I think the problem is that, the easier something is, the more jerks it attracts. I am sure the effort required running a feeder takesweeds out the idiots. That's what I mean when I say slob hunters and feeder hunters are two different things.

Scott
 
I am glad that I don't live where you do, sounds like you have some real problems and might need to vote for a new sheriff. I mainly hunt on military posts which is federal land and acts such as you speak of would be dealt with very harshly. Just coming through the front gate drunk with a rifle would be very bad indeed, but even where I hunt in GA on public land it is not nearly as bad as where you are.

I hate hunting shows too but for a different reason, they give non hunters or ignorant hunters a false idea of what hunting is really like. You don't always get the game, rarely actually, setting over a feeder is not a sure thing and in some areas is very neccessary. On hunting shows there is a constant stream of deer and big bucks, you can hunt ranches like that if you don't mind paying a small fortune. I don't know how many people I have talked to that say hunting is sick or disgusting because of what they saw on a hunting show, little do they know that hunting shows are about as much like hunting as Survivor is to actually being in a survival situation. Chris
 
runningboar said:
They are not sick at all, they are enjoying a pastime that THEY enjoy, I don't like soccer but I don't call people that do sick.:mad:
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When their acting like their doing somthing good and being entertained in the prosess its sick. Soccer is excersize and not going to kill anyone on purpose.

People that have no clue about what they are doing buy all kinds of gear and sit in a a blind not doing any real work, shoot an animal that could other wise kill them no contest is sick. Guys like the 2 guys in the beging of "The Hunted" are hunters. Some fat dumbshit sitting in a blind shooting a deer or what ever and then after words saying how thrilling and cool it was are sick.
 
A few years ago when I was hunting elk, I had my camp set up fairly close to a grated dirt road, mostly because that was about as far as I was going to get my vehicle. There were lots of woods and hills around me and I could hear elk bugling in virtually every direction.

One early afternoon when I wass back at my camp, I could hear a vehicle coming down the dirt road very slowly. I waited around to see what exactly was coming. It was a pickup truck, two guys in the cab with three guys stnding in the bed hanging on to the aftermarket light bar, and each with a rifle in his hands. I thought, " Sheeiiitttt, that is NOT hunting." I thought they were a bunch of lazy losers out to minimize the difficulty and stumble across an easy kill. Well, now two years later, as I reflect on it, I actually believe that yes, that is hunting (technically speaking). But that is not what I consider hunting to be at all, at least for me. What some folks consider difficult, others believe to be little more than shooting fish in a barrel, ie. it's easy.

My point I guess is that we all have different definitions of what it means to hunt. I don't agree with everyone's idea of what they consider hunting to be, but I really don't care so long as I get to do it my way (within legal constraints). If it's illegal, then it's not hunting in my eyes ever. If it is legal, then you are good to go.
 
My main point is when your doing it for sport (donating the meat and what not) dont make it too easy. If you need the meat for food i dont care if you gas a whole heard as long as you eat em.
 
I'm going to hijack this thread for a minute. Here in northern New York, early blackpowder season has started. I've ignored it, I've been to the range twice this week working out a new .22. In those two days, I think I've seen every mother's son in the county come in to sight in their new in-line muzzle loaders. Just so they can get some extra days at trying to slaughter a deer. One group of teenage 20-year-olds came in, got in some kind of argument, and finally the leader of the pack turned to me (probably because I'm a grey-bearded coot who might have looked like I knew what I was doing with a .22)

This raw-faced meatbag asked me, "When you move the sight up it's going to shoot lower, right?"
I explained it to him, he took another shot and then they all left.

Unfortunately, people like him are not unusual. I pray he never sees a deer, for the sake of the deer.
 
SubaruSTi said:
When their acting like their doing somthing good and being entertained in the prosess its sick. Soccer is excersize and not going to kill anyone on purpose.

People that have no clue about what they are doing buy all kinds of gear and sit in a a blind not doing any real work, shoot an animal that could other wise kill them no contest is sick. Guys like the 2 guys in the beging of "The Hunted" are hunters. Some fat dumbshit sitting in a blind shooting a deer or what ever and then after words saying how thrilling and cool it was are sick.
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You know what I hate it is people that go out and buy a fast car already turboed and tuned from the factory. They can't call themselves racers or tuners all they did is spend a bunch of money and bought their car ready to go, they did not have to work at it, no blood, sweat and tears went into it just plop the cash down and your fast, I think it is disgusting.

I built my 93 civic from the ground up the hard way, my engine was on a stand in the kitchen while I worked on it, I didn't have no daddy war bucks buy me a fast car I built it the old fashioned way.

People should not even be allowed to drive EVOs, 350s, and STIs, if they can't build it they shouldn't drive it. As a matter of fact it should be illegal to sell a car with over 180 HP at the wheels, you should just be able to buy the parts to make it faster. Chris
 
Hey Guys...

What you are referring to I would consider "Trophy" hunting as opposed to "Meat" hunting

If I'm meat hunting, which I will be doing here in a few days, I'll usually shoot the first animals I get in my sites,, does, bucks, makes no difference to me. If I can take a shot,, I will...

If I'm "Trophy" hunting,, I'll usually let everything walk until I see an animal I want to shoot,, whether it's size of rack,size of animal.I'm looking for a particular animal...

For the most part I'm a meat hunter, but turn into a throphy hunter Real quick,if one is a doe and one is a buck with a Huge rack.

I don't have a problem hunting over plots, baits,scrapes,rubs or what have you..
If it increases my chances and it's legal I'll do it...
If that means going up 30 feet in my climber,, I will...

It's all good as long as it's legal...

Same goes for choice of weapon....

Theres alot of BS and bitching between compound bow shooter vs. crossbow shooters, where crossbows should be banned altogether,, or we should have our own season AFTER their season. However most of the time these same people( and I know ALOT of them),, if something happens (f-ed up shoulder,what have you)and they can't shoot a compound any more,, they have absolutely no qualms about shifting their views all of a sudden and start shooting a crossbow...

These sorts of people should be Banned from Ever hunting with a Crossbow,, no matter what the reason. Stand behind your Beliefs I say!

I shoot an Excalibur Exocet Crossbow, because it's wicked accurate,,and when I send high speed aluminum I know Exactly, to inch where it's going. I'm confident with it, and it's simply the Shitz when it comes to putting High Speed aluminum through the boiler room of an animal!!

Again as long as it's legal it's good to go in my book,,and I won't look down on you for doing it....

Some people hunt Hogs and Bears with Dogs and Knives,, not my bag,, but to each his own...

ttyle

Eric
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I don't consider it really hunting. And to be quite honest would never hunt that way. I think it sets a bad image of hunting. I don't see anything wrong with setting up a tree stand in between bedding and feeding areas. but sitting in a permanent plywood structure over a plowed field is more like harvesting an animal, not hunting. This is my opinion. I would rather stalk all day and never see a deer or elk or sit in a tree stand and never see one, than shoot something that walked into a freshly mowed food plot. I personally would not be proud at all about shooting such an animal.
 
sevenedges said:
I would rather stalk all day and never see a deer or elk or sit in a tree stand and never see one, than shoot something that walked into a freshly mowed food plot. I personally would not be proud at all about shooting such an animal.
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Where do you hang your treestand?

How about this, it is not a very good year for mast but you find one little stand of oaks that are dropping acorns and the deer are really keying on them, is it OK to put your treestand there? How about a scrape line, or a persimmon tree, or god forbid a trail that leads from a bedding area to a cornfield.



Everyone knows I am just playing the devils advocate below is how I really hunt.

I really don't believe in treestands they are unfair and don't give the animals enough chance, so I always hunt on the ground. I only hunt with a selfbow I made myself and arrows made from reeds, I knap my own arrowheads from coke bottles scavenged off the side of the road. I have not decided if my bow and arrows is unfair yet but it is looking like I will hunt with just a sharp stick next year.

You should have to hunt in clothes you make yourself, store bought clothes provide too much advantage you should be cold like the game you hunt. I use every part of the deer including the hooves and hair. All methods of hunting besides mine are wrong, unethical, disgusting, against the laws of nature, and should be banned.:jerkit:

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Look everyone, hunt and enjoy themselves the way you want too, but don't say other people are wrong for the way they legally hunt.
 
I consider myself a very involved and avid hunter, I spend alot of time in the spring and summer scouting, and practicing with my bow, muzzeloader, shotgun, rifle and pistol. Yes I hunt with all of them as I hunt in 5 different states during diff seasons. I hunt property in KY, PA, NY, MD and OH. I have done all diff kinds of hunting from putting on drives for deer, still hunting, sitting(ambush as some call it) and just plain old walkin alot of ground over trails to see them. I consider them all hunting in one form or another. Hunting can be really tough or very easy depending on your luck. I have gone into the woods sat down and 20 min later have a buck walk up to me and I take it. I have sat these last 3 days of Early Muzzeloader season here in MD and have seen 2 deer in 3 days, hunting all day bringing lunch in with me. Its tough but its fun. I have seen lazy hunters and very irresponsible ones who have scoped me out and what not. It makes me uncomfortable but thats life and some people arent always as smart as others.

I have been on hunts where i have payed several thousand dollars to hunt and I tell you what, they are not all as easy as seen on t.v. I have gone on a 3 day hunt for 1200 dollars and not seen a buck let alone very many does. But that is hunting. what they dont show on t.v is alot of times they sit for 4-5 days all day w/o seeing anything, they just show the times they do see deer. Now Fenced hunts where there's like 10 acres and 100 deer(very overdramatized example I know) I find that not to be hunting but butchering, and yes some places are like that and I really do not like them.

Coldwood: I have experience with the people you talk of the ones who dont know they're arse from there elbow about shooting and dont spend nearly enough time practicing. Its sad to me that they dont spend the time to learn their equipment and to take satisfaction in being a good shot and a responsible hunter. But oh well.
 
THANK YOU RUNNINGBOAR(not a sarcastic remark I agree with your very last statement)
 
Is that really hunting? No I don't think so.
Nor am I against it.

My hunting (yes for meat, I love the taste of deer) is a type that many people hate. I sit at the edge of a field and shoot deer at extended ranges with a "monster magnum" (.300 Remington Ultra Mag). I hand load for it and yes I practice with it, I'm actually on my second barrel (.300 RUM is only good for about 1000 rounds per barrel loaded hot). Last year I didn't kill one closer than 270 yards, furthest was 462. I've haven't had to track a deer in years, let alone lost one.

So yeah, it's not really hunting, but they sure as hell don't suffer and they don't wander off into the woods to die to a gutshot. That's better than can be said for a lot of "hunters"
 
Hey Guys....

No matter what you sit in, treestand, shooting house, abadoned car, abandoned house and yes I've hunted out of all of the above,, it's all the same thing..
Hunting is hunting..
If you have to trick your quarry to kill it,, then thats what you must do..
I don't feel that tricking or ambushing an animal is un-ethical....

I've been close enough to hear deer breathing 5 feet away sitting on the ground in my Ghillie suit..

Un-ethical ?? I don't think so....

Tricky ?? Yes,, for sure....

As long as you aren't running them down with helicopters and shooting with Market guns I don't see what all the ethical problems are...

Next you'll be saying shooting a deer at 200 yards with a 300 Win Mag is unethical because how could it possibly have a fair chance....

Next we'll all be hunting with recurves and no one will be allowed to bait, use modern gear, scents, scent killers or rifles with optics and on and on...

Thats idiotic....

Hunting with a home made bow is fine as long as it meets the guildlines for poundage..
In Canada you aren't allowed to hunt with anything but Steel Non Serrated broadheads that have at least 2 blades and meet a certain length and width.

Hunt the way you see fit, as long as it's legal in your area to do so and let everyone else hunt the way they want to hunt as long as it's legal to do so...

I hang around on a UK air rifle forum, and those chaps are Dead set against shooting rabbits, tree rats and what have you with ANYTHING but a head shot...

That's their opinion..
I'll take whatever shot I can get,, as long as it's clean and will kill the animal...

I don't agree with their opinions, however they don't tolerate mine.. I've heard things like it's Sick, Cruel and what have you because I shoot Tree Rats and Rabbits in the chest cavity...

I look at it completely different,, and feel my way is ethical and fair.

We have enough problems with Antis, let alone infighting amongst each other...

And before anyone says anything about giving the Antis ammunition let them read on,, and as far as I'm concerned they can Pound Sand....

ttyle

Eric
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Hey

Follow the Hollow...

Yes,, Absolutely thats hunting.. I see no problem what so ever with sniping deer at 2-3-400 yards..
As long as you are confident and competent with your rifle,, theres no reason at all that it should be un-ethical...

I think thats Frigging Awesome,, and a fine skill you have....

I shoot a Styre Pro Hunter in 300WM...

ttyle

Eric
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I've never used or owned a tree stand. To be clear I only kill animals that I can stalk on foot. Everyone has their own ethics agreed. I just stalk my prey on foot and then shoot it with a shotgun. Or wait for it to come to me. Except when bird hunting then I use a blind for ducks. never used a rifle or bow. If I can's stalk it into shotgun range I don't kill it. To each his own. I don't think shooting deer in a baited area is hunting. It's kinda lame IMO
 
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