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And then there are those who care less about "the right way" and more about the "proper" way ;-)
OMG "proper", when used the way this guy does ... :-/
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Is Wranglerstar on Youtube a reliable source of information about axes etc.?
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OMG "proper", when used the way this guy does ... :-/
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y'all must hate it when he curl wood shavings with his $40 plane am i right?
or cuts a nice joint with his $20 chisel
care to educate us on the right way? cuz i've seen him use a dozen ways, and a some of them are the same way that paul sellers or frank klausz get it done
"there's more than one way to do it"
I am not really a fan, but tune into his channel now and then because I do tend to like the parts where he is not talking. Forgive my ignorance, but what is wrong with his bench, chisels or planes? I may not be paying enough attention, but they seem fine to me.
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so, here's my bit (pun)
i don't really like the religion stuff, but i can tolerate it. he's authentic.
he's doing his thing. he's documenting it. bringing us along.
over the years, he's evolving. he's figuring stuff out.
"modern homesteading". one thing probably obvious to me bu not most, he's using the 'tubes, he's modern, and he's heritage. he's working it.
anyone that criticizes him too harshly, i suggest you show us your CV and your journey, so we can judge you as well, because, let's face it, nobody is perfect...
he admits a lot, esp lately, that some of the stuff he's doing is simply what he knows and figures out. he's the alpha of his tribe. his elders are gone.
we learn from each other. he's not perfect, it's process. he's not dropping $$$$ on tools to be "that guy"
imho, anyone that says he's doing it wrong? cool. show me, tell me, prove to me, you know better, that benefits everyone. if you can't or won't? eh, next.
there's plenty of arm chair homesteaders, who may or may not own $999,999 in lie-nielsen tools, soaked in the grease of their forefathers, while they ease their lives in an armchair saying "we did that uphill both ways when i was a kid". don't care. he's out there. he's real. he's raw.
i don't really like the religion stuff, but i can tolerate it. he's authentic.
he's doing his thing. he's documenting it. bringing us along.
over the years, he's evolving. he's figuring stuff out.
"modern homesteading". one thing probably obvious to me bu not most, he's using the 'tubes, he's modern, and he's heritage. he's working it.
anyone that criticizes him too harshly, i suggest you show us your CV and your journey, so we can judge you as well, because, let's face it, nobody is perfect...
he admits a lot, esp lately, that some of the stuff he's doing is simply what he knows and figures out. he's the alpha of his tribe. his elders are gone.
we learn from each other. he's not perfect, it's process. he's not dropping $$$$ on tools to be "that guy"
imho, anyone that says he's doing it wrong? cool. show me, tell me, prove to me, you know better, that benefits everyone. if you can't or won't? eh, next.
there's plenty of arm chair homesteaders, who may or may not own $999,999 in lie-nielsen tools, soaked in the grease of their forefathers, while they ease their lives in an armchair saying "we did that uphill both ways when i was a kid". don't care. he's out there. he's real. he's raw.
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I agree with this assessment of Cody as far as getting in there and doing things and I'm all for it. I don't have any videos to show, but as a hobbyist and tinkerer, I'd say my CV is pretty much on par with his. Educationally I have a BS in math with a minor in industrial arts if that counts for anything. The following are my comments on one of his videos. I'm not claiming to be right or to be argumentative. There are just some things here that I wouldn't do.
I have a home cider mill, but I don't have a press. I've been looking online for ideas to make one. Cody has a series (4-5 videos) of him restoring an old mill and press. I did find some ideas here that may help me if I ever get around building one.
In this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IAkxX6eoh4) he is making the staves for the containers under the press.
He is using Red Oak flooring for the staves. I've included a comparison of red vs white oak. According to Cody the original used white oak and it is 100 years old. Red will certainly work, but being more porous will not hold up in this application as the white.
Here he is ripping the staves:
- "Avoid long sleeves, ties, dangling jewelry or any other loose fitting clothing while operating a table saw. The clothing could get caught in the blade."
- "Do not reach behind or over the blade unless it has stopped turning." Stay at the front of the saw.
- "Keep the blades guards, spreaders and antikickback devices in place an operating properly. The spreader must be in alignment with the blade and the antikickback device must be in place and operating properly." Sometimes these are removed in demos and a disclaimer is used. No disclaimer here and no need to remove safety attachments to see a simple rip cut.
Adjusting the fence:
- "Maintain the rip fence parallel to the blade so the stock will not bind on the blade and be thrown." In the still photo above his hand is on the fence. In the video he is actually thumping the fence to adjust it. I had a guy over using my saw once that started doing that. I'm afraid I got quite short with him about it. For one thing, on my saw at least, adjusting the fence is a pita.
- "Ensure that the guides are positioned properly and that the tabletop is smooth and polished. An unclean or rough table requires you to use more force to push the stock through the blade. The more force that you are required to use the more chance that you may slip or lose your balance." The picture shows (to me) poor maintenance of the table. I don't like to see that rust.
ref:
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr190/chapter_02.pdf
http://www.tru.ca/hsafety/workinglearningsafely/work/tablesaw.html
p.s. before pics of plane at the top of the post
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I like a lot of his videos at least the ones regarding replacing handles and refurbishing tools. I'm no expert at the home reading stuff or forestry stuff but at very least it's entertaining. He looses me with the religious talk I'm fine with people believing whatever they want I just don't liek hearing about it when I clicked a video about sharpening an axe.
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i dig it! me too!
i scored some guy. some old, some dirty, some... and now i have a grinding station. so, some tooling with occur.
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I agree with this assessment of Cody as far as getting in there and doing things and I'm all for it. I don't have any videos to show, but as a hobbyist and tinkerer, I'd say my CV is pretty much on par with his. Educationally I have a BS in math with a minor in industrial arts if that counts for anything. The following are my comments on one of his videos. I'm not claiming to be right or to be argumentative. There are just some things here that I wouldn't do.
well, if you were actually TRAINED, you probably have leg up in various arenas. there's a lot of things i see people do in videos that are crazy time (safety sally - whoa! :>)
just to guess, he's using red oak, because that's what he had, or was able to get very cheap, he doesn't seem to go out of his way to buy anything he can't reuse/upcycle? i'll have to watch that video again. having a press (or making one), would be fascinating. also, i want a big worm screw drive for a bench vice :> or two. better materials produce better results, but you know, $$$ :>
safety good. only thing i'll point out is that he has a big metal warehouse kinda building, not insulated, and pretty much no heat. he's shown examples where his slop bucket has frozen solid
yikes. so, dress warm? i definitely see the conflict. warmth. safety. how does one manage in the real world? curious.yeah, i see way too many people in a lot of videos with no safeties, guards, and other stuff like that, and it's pretty clear they probably operate that way *a lot* or *all the time*. yikes.
reaching over, or around, and stuff. yeah. bad. a few guys/gals use pushers. some have nice sleds (like http://woodgears.ca/reader/index.html), cool stuff. i'm trying to learn as much woodworking lore as possible. yet stay safe.
oh yeah, and don't stand in line with the work; esp key with ripping on a radial arm saw, apparently. NEVER DO THAT. maintaining parallel is apparently hard, and those things will kill you dead six times. so i'm told
yeah, that would drive me nuts...
i bet it's hard to keep things rust free in the pacific northwest in an open warehouse shed
nice...
p.s. before pics of plane at the top of the post
sweet! we should start a thread for restoring planes and tips and tricks and stuff
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i dig it! took me a few looks to figure out the printout (old school). that's some thin shaving.
me too! i got some stuff to restore:
i scored some guy. some old, some dirty, some... and now i have a grinding station. so, some tooling with occur.
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I agree with this assessment of Cody as far as getting in there and doing things and I'm all for it. I don't have any videos to show, but as a hobbyist and tinkerer, I'd say my CV is pretty much on par with his. Educationally I have a BS in math with a minor in industrial arts if that counts for anything. The following are my comments on one of his videos. I'm not claiming to be right or to be argumentative. There are just some things here that I wouldn't do.
well, if you were actually TRAINED, you probably have leg up in various arenas. there's a lot of things i see people do in videos that are crazy time (safety sally - whoa! :>)
just to guess, he's using red oak, because that's what he had, or was able to get very cheap, he doesn't seem to go out of his way to buy anything he can't reuse/upcycle? i'll have to watch that video again. having a press (or making one), would be fascinating. also, i want a big worm screw drive for a bench vice :> or two. better materials produce better results, but you know, $$$ :>
safety good. only thing i'll point out is that he has a big metal warehouse kinda building, not insulated, and pretty much no heat. he's shown examples where his slop bucket has frozen solid
yikes. so, dress warm? i definitely see the conflict. warmth. safety. how does one manage in the real world? curious.yeah, i see way too many people in a lot of videos with no safeties, guards, and other stuff like that, and it's pretty clear they probably operate that way *a lot* or *all the time*. yikes.
reaching over, or around, and stuff. yeah. bad. a few guys/gals use pushers. some have nice sleds (like http://woodgears.ca/reader/index.html), cool stuff. i'm trying to learn as much woodworking lore as possible. yet stay safe.
oh yeah, and don't stand in line with the work; esp key with ripping on a radial arm saw, apparently. NEVER DO THAT. maintaining parallel is apparently hard, and those things will kill you dead six times. so i'm told
yeah, that would drive me nuts...
i bet it's hard to keep things rust free in the pacific northwest in an open warehouse shed
nice...
p.s. before pics of plane at the top of the post
sweet! we should start a thread for restoring planes and tips and tricks and stuff
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I don't understand why people use the argument "let's see your youtube channel where you do a better job..." I'm not sure what kind of fallacy that is...argument from silence? Ad hominem? Anyway, it really has nothing to do with the debate presented.
Some of wranglerstars stuff is entertaining, which should be viewed as the primary purpose of the channel. As with any other source of info, use it at your own risk. Some of the things he has said about axes have been demonstrably false. On two occasions I have wasted my time pointing out misinformation in the comments sections of his videos. I don't remember one, but I remember the other was something completely false he said about the temper of axes. I pointed out that it was incorrect and viewers may end up ruining temper due to the bad advice. Both times he deleted my comments with no response or anything. So, that's lame if nothing else.
Some of wranglerstars stuff is entertaining, which should be viewed as the primary purpose of the channel. As with any other source of info, use it at your own risk. Some of the things he has said about axes have been demonstrably false. On two occasions I have wasted my time pointing out misinformation in the comments sections of his videos. I don't remember one, but I remember the other was something completely false he said about the temper of axes. I pointed out that it was incorrect and viewers may end up ruining temper due to the bad advice. Both times he deleted my comments with no response or anything. So, that's lame if nothing else.
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That's revealing.
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Everyone is an expert.
I've watched maybe four videos and found disagreements in three of them. He has his fans and his videos sure pop up a lot on my recommended by youtube list. I frequent a couple other forums where his videos are mentioned as a good source of info and usually a couple others chime in extolling his greatness. As a grumpy old guy I find too much blathering ego which is common on youtube in general. I know if I met him, I probably would think he was a good guy, but his editing could be improved. His dismissing safety comments from some of his viewers as "safety Sallies" shows a lack of respect. It's one thing ignoring safety, but to ridicule safety is something else. That type of being right at all times attitude and personality just doesn't appeal to my taste in video stars.
When did I mention shavings?
I don't care how much anyone's tools cost. If you can use them well, great.
What about shavings? If you're dimensioning wood, they'll be thick. When you're getting close to your final surface they'll be thin. It's the surface that remains that's important.
He sharpens his chisels and irons in a circular motion. Sharpening like that leaves a wire edge. He doesn't mention it, nor does he appear to do anything to remove it. Both Sellers and Klausz do.
I've only watched a few of his videos, granted. But why would anyone sharpen a chisel a dozen different ways? What's the point?
Hi, I have been watching his video for over a year now and I must say that its rather hit and miss with the stuff he does. some stuff is great for beginners that wish to get introduced to how to hang an axe, to motivate people to learn more on their own with other reputable sources, while some other stuff he does sound outright pretentious.
I think he is doing it for fun and to get money on the side, as all youtubers are, so i dont think we can judge him too harshly as all other youtubers wish they could be in his shoes... thats the essence of youtube for most video makers.
Regards,
Remzy
I think he is doing it for fun and to get money on the side, as all youtubers are, so i dont think we can judge him too harshly as all other youtubers wish they could be in his shoes... thats the essence of youtube for most video makers.
Regards,
Remzy
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I think there are some lumbersexual undertones in that video. I love the clothes.
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That started my day right :thumbup:
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This thread ruined my enjoyment of the Wranglerstar videos.