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It may fail my rope test, but the S35VN Sebenza still works fine for EDC.
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Personally, I do not see the need in spending $400 dollars for a folder of it's size that doesn't do much anything that is particularly special or revolutionary, I will explain this to you in a way I've come to understand it myself: Why do people buy things like a 150-carat Diamond Wedding Gown? Or a $845,000 Porsche 918 Spyder? For one of a few different reasons, as a status icon, a way to show off their wealth, etc... Sometimes they preform better, but the main reason for the cost is to make it hard to attain, not commonly seen, and those who care about such things as being recognized, or being remembered for something interesting, is worth it. Prestige, I guess (a joke in my opinion, but I digress...). Why do you think gold costs so much? Because it was rare, shiny, and, after it's rarity was understood, expensive. It doesn't do much anything very well (well, it is pretty useful for computers and especially audio equipment, but we are talking about a time when none of this was thought of. Also, it is still only loved because it is shiny, as it, even in today's culture, is used in jewelry), at least not anything that another metal couldn't have done better. Getting back on track, yes, your $4.00 box cutter will preform okay for these tasks, it will not make you feel interesting, in control, and it certainly will not give you that feel of a well built piece of equipment, but it will do the job. I still think it is not worth it's price tag, as I could get a nice $50 BK2, and have it do these same tasks and much, much more, when properly sharpened and convexed, and if I really cared about it's look and feel, I would mirror polish the knife, and put on some micarta scales, or perhaps carve my own, but some people just don't have the skill, or the care to do it themselves, and simply want to buy a knife, already pretty. a work of art, now that I think about it, that is what this knife is, a work of art. It is nice, well made, and kind of pretty, and it's aesthetic properties far outweigh it's functionality for the price. Ultimately, to each their own, I suppose.
Sorry for being long winded, I really tried to keep it concise, but with me, you'd have to be really lucky.
You made a good point, but I felt that must be said, and if not for you, some other person who genuinely does not understand a $400 knife.
Sorry for being long winded, I really tried to keep it concise, but with me, you'd have to be really lucky.
You made a good point, but I felt that must be said, and if not for you, some other person who genuinely does not understand a $400 knife.
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Too funny. If that's "representative of real world testing / EDC tasks". . . .I'll purchase a $4.00 box cutter / utility knife.
Box cutters are useless and a PITA MOST of the time, I carry both a box cutter and knife, but I use a knife most of the time at work.
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I have had to process cardboard slip sheets for upwards of 100 pallets with 4 per pallet. Spent a good 2hr's just cutting cardboard that day. Some of us are hard on our EDC's
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I know what you mean, I normally cut a lot of cardboard at work also.
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I guess you should open a few letters and maybe open a bag of chips, but that maybe too hard, Oh but wait you would have to be careful not to get any scratches on the blade and don't cut too much because you may have to sharpen it. LOL
Or you could just shoot a video of it in the box or in your pocket, or maybe a video of you just sitting there watching TV flicking it hundreds of times.
I guess that's what they mean by real world use though.....
I think most of them would have had a heart attack if they saw me using my Umnumzaan to pry a nail out of a pallet jack wheel yesterday. ROFL
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I don't open chips with my sebenza bc of the grease, lmao....I guess you should open a few letters and maybe open a bag of chips, but that maybe too hard, Oh but wait you would have to be careful not to get any scratches on the blade and don't cut too much because you may have to sharpen it. LOL
Or you could just shoot a video of it in the box or in your pocket, or maybe a video of you just sitting there watching TV flicking it hundreds of times.
I guess that's what they mean by real world use though.....
I think most of them would have had a heart attack if they saw me using my Umnumzaan to pry a nail out of a pallet jack wheel yesterday. ROFL
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Yeah they might have to clean the blade or something horrible like that.
Instead they wear out the lock before the blade needs it's 1st sharpening from all the flicking and non use.
But they have to be really careful not to get any marks on the knife at all.
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In case anyone is wondering the Sebenza is pretty good at opening bags of chips. I did one yesterday.
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How did it fare?
It didn't like fall apart or get any scratches on it or anything did it?
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From my mouth to your keyboard!!! Haha!
It is honestly comical how many people worry about edge retention and lock strength, when they only carry a knife for pocket jewelry and a flick toy. Yet those are the same people criticizing testing practices and pretty much any use at all.
It is honestly comical how many people worry about edge retention and lock strength, when they only carry a knife for pocket jewelry and a flick toy. Yet those are the same people criticizing testing practices and pretty much any use at all.
I guess you should open a few letters and maybe open a bag of chips, but that maybe too hard, Oh but wait you would have to be careful not to get any scratches on the blade and don't cut too much because you may have to sharpen it. LOL
Or you could just shoot a video of it in the box or in your pocket, or maybe a video of you just sitting there watching TV flicking it hundreds of times.
I guess that's what they mean by real world use though.....
I think most of them would have had a heart attack if they saw me using my Umnumzaan to pry a nail out of a pallet jack wheel yesterday. ROFL
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Finally some real world testing! Was it plastic or something else? How did the edge hold up? Notice any blade play after wards? I'm sure a good stropping will bring back the edge.
p.s.
John, I really like your videos, and have learned a lot from your channel.
Keep up the good work.
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I figured I would lighten up the mood some and give you a good laugh.
You need one after the past few days.
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Knives should be able to handle a plastic cutting board. I make chicken salad with my swamp rat M9 all the time and probably do 1000 or more chops into the board each time and it still shaves afterwards. Never had a roll or any noticeable dulling.
People get way to into the whole "best tool for the job" thing on this site. If you don't expect your knife to stand up to a plastic cutting board or rope your expectations are too low. Maybe I am just spoiled by having used such high quality knives for so long but knives are made to do more than just open letters. Cardboard cutting, rope cutting, slicing on a plastic cutting board and even cutting metal twisty ties are all things I have done and will continue to do with my EDC folders and I expect them to be able to do it without failure.
Knives are made to cut things. An extension cord should not be a problem for a knife and is a realistic thing you could expect to cut. I respect CTS and Ankerson's tests and the time they put into them and am glad to see them actually USING knives.
Knives are not just letter openers, they are a broad tool that, with proper design, should be able to handle a wide range of applications.
People get way to into the whole "best tool for the job" thing on this site. If you don't expect your knife to stand up to a plastic cutting board or rope your expectations are too low. Maybe I am just spoiled by having used such high quality knives for so long but knives are made to do more than just open letters. Cardboard cutting, rope cutting, slicing on a plastic cutting board and even cutting metal twisty ties are all things I have done and will continue to do with my EDC folders and I expect them to be able to do it without failure.
Knives are made to cut things. An extension cord should not be a problem for a knife and is a realistic thing you could expect to cut. I respect CTS and Ankerson's tests and the time they put into them and am glad to see them actually USING knives.
Knives are not just letter openers, they are a broad tool that, with proper design, should be able to handle a wide range of applications.
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I figured I would lighten up the mood some and give you a good laugh.
You need one after the past few days.
You are right about that! I did get a healthy chuckle out of it.
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Yeah, I also use a plastic type cutting board in the kitchen and haven't had any issues, the main knife I use is a CPM S110V FB and I haven't had to touch that edge in about 5+ months now and it's extremely sharp, will still slice TP and a Paper Towel easy.
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You sir have a healthy outlook on what a knife should be able to do, within reason.
I agree with you, all to often people will pick "the right tool for the job" before choosing a knife to do ANY task. They pretty much talk themselves out of using their knife because "there is a better tool for this job." I could not imagine buying a knife and then being scared to use it for anything other than opening up Cheetos and their mail..
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I have a custom RJ Martin in S110V sitting here waiting to be tested. It should blow anything else I've ever tested out of the water.
I am just dreading putting an edge on it...
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It will destroy everything else you have tested and by a VERY large margin.
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Exactly. For as staunchly as many of the CRK fan's have defended CRK products in your thread I don't see very many pictures like this on the CRK forum. All knives, regardless of high cost or low manufacturing tolerances should be subject to scrutiny. I love CRK designs and will buy them if the price is right but I just see so much opposition to scrutiny and criticism that it kind of turns me off. If you had the same thing happen with a Busse/ ESEE/ Swamp rat or as noted Spyderco knife, and posted about it Jerry, Jeff, Eric and Sal will be on top of it and tell you to send it in so they can address the issue.
Knives should be expected to perform and criticism is healthy and should be accepted, especially when it comes from dedicated knife enthusiasts like you and Ankerson.
Anyways knives in the $400 dollar range should be expected to perform and handle tasks that can be expected for the design at hand. That type of failure after rope cutting is unacceptable and their was obviously an issue with the HT of that CRK. It just bothers me to see such a negative and hateful response from a supposed "knife community" over brand loyalty.
I like many types of knives but I am loyal to ESEE, Busse, Spyderco Etc because they have shown such a remarkable dedication to customer service and performance.
Knives are made to be used and testing, criticism, and scrutiny are healthy elements for any company. Even one as renown as CRK still makes mistakes and I am disappointed in how long it has taken for CRK to address the issue with the Seb and am even more disappointed in the CRK communities response to the tests carried out by CTS.
I want to see more pictures like THIS from the CRK people who have been so negative towards CTS and Ankerson's work. But then again, using a Sebenza or Zaan for cleaning and processing game would probably "Not be the right tool for the job" hehe
