I've been slighted on a trade that cannot be reversed...

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I recently traded a Bark River PSK with extra sheath for a Benchmade 530 listed in very good condition (link to his trade thread). I felt I was trading down a bit, but that was okay because I wanted a 530. When I received the knife, the blade was very scratched, the factory edge was completely sharpened out, leaving the edge is now unevenly sharpened at different angles, and the tip is blunted. Not only this, but the blade is made of 440C, and not the current 154CM, the steel type was never mentioned to me and I feel it should be mentioned if it is not current production. The moment (10:16 am 2/26/09) I received the knife, I PMed him to let him know that I would like to reverse the trade:

I received the BM530 today. I have to say, I am a little disjointedness in the condition and description of the knife. The blade is quite scratched, the tip is blunted, and the knife is an old model with 440C instead of the current 154cm. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to reverse the trade.
Thank you,
Michaelmcgo
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The knife was not delivered to his mailbox until 11:15am on 2/26/09 (see pic below). Yet he sent me this PM today:

Michael,
Hey. I am sorry to hear that you are not satisfied with the BM530. I originally listed the condition of the knife as good condition as opposed to describing it as great condition or like new. Aside from that I provided pictures which show scratches on the blade. I never listed it as the 154cm version either.

With that said, the last thing I want to do is have someone not be happy with a trade because I am an honest man and thats just not my style. I apologize as the PSK was a move I made for another trade which has already transacted. If this was not the case, then I would gladly reverse the trade with you.

Because of this I am willing to offer you a knife for free to settle any hard feeling in regards to this trade. I would like to remain on a positive note and also possibly trade with you in the future. If your interested I can mail you my Ontario RAT3. It is a user with scratches on the coated blade, but is in "good" condition with box and comes with a kydex sheath. It is an excellent work knife which has served me very well in the past. If this does not work for you, then let me know and hopefully we can work something out. Again, I apologize for any inconvenience or hard feelings. Thank you.

~Bryan
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In the PM he says that he described the knife as "good condition" and posted pics, yet in his trade thread, he list it as "very good condition" and he neither posted pics or sent any to me. I do not feel that the knife is in very good condition, and good condition might be stretching it. I don't want the 530 or the RAT-3, I want my PSK back, but unfortunately he mailed it off without ever confirming that we were both satisfactory with the trade. Since I PM'ed him before he even received the knife, I am upset that he mailed off the knife. I know he is not trying to scam me, but I feel like he made several mistakes that when put together leave him on top and me unsatisfied.

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Usually I don't post in threads like this where I am just a third party looking in, however that said, perhaps I could offer some advice or a solution..

Ask him for the going rate monetarily in dollars and cents for the original knife he received from you and henceforth traded off. This might be the only option at this point to satisfy you. Its pretty obvious he cannot or will not be able to retrieve your knife at this juncture.

Signing off at this time in the hopes that you and he will settle this amicably.

All the best and may God Bless,

Anthony
 
Not sure what can be done at this point, but we can all learn that getting rid of a knife or knives in multiple deals is not a thing to do.

It is not that hard to stick to "the deal is not done, until both parties are happy".

Turning a knife around before you know this on multi party transactions, is not the way to insure a reputation.

Some of the actions that have come up of late sadden a lot of folks who actually "get it" when it comes to knives and the knife community. I know a few folks snicker at this thought of a higher level of integrity in regards to knife people, but it is real and not imagined on my part.
 
Yea,He messed up not confirming you were satisfied before flipping your knife.The 530 is a great knife,even a used one,but your deal does sound a bit lopsided not in your favor.I hope you two can work out a good solution.
 
Bastid said:
Not sure what can be done at this point, but we can all learn that getting rid of a knife or knives in multiple deals is not a thing to do.

It is not that hard to stick to "the deal is not done, until both parties are happy".

Turning a knife around before you know this on multi party transactions, is not the way to insure a reputation.

Some of the actions that have come up of late sadden a lot of folks who actually "get it" when it comes to knives and the knife community. I know a few folks snicker at this thought of a higher level of integrity in regards to knife people, but it is real and not imagined on my part.
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This is very well stated Gus and may seem painfully obvious to some of us but more and more it appears that many folks just don't get it.



Anthony
 
From what I see, he sounds sincere in wanting to make things right, which is a very good thing. It would be a whole other situation if he refused to respond or said "tough."

Asking money for what the knife was worth may or may not be an option. I say it may not be because those of us who trade often do it because it's cheap ($5 shipping) and you get a "new" knife out of it. I know that when I was flat broke and wanted new knives, I would trade around and get that "new knife" feel without spending much money.

I hope the two of you can work things out, just keep from flinging poo at each other and this will get resolved :p
 
michaelmcgo--Considering that your knife is "gone," what do you want the guy to do to make things right?

So far you have complained that the guy messed up (which I agree, he did), but you've not stated what you feel would resolve this.
 
Am I understanding this correctly? You traded for a knife that you did not see any pictures of beforehand, nor did you ask what type of metal the blade was? Did you quantify "very good condition" prior to the trade?

Sounds like you are dealing with a pretty good guy if he is willing to try to work something out for you. Good Luck
 
Bastid said:
Not sure what can be done at this point, but we can all learn that getting rid of a knife or knives in multiple deals is not a thing to do.

It is not that hard to stick to "the deal is not done, until both parties are happy".

Turning a knife around before you know this on multi party transactions, is not the way to insure a reputation.

Some of the actions that have come up of late sadden a lot of folks who actually "get it" when it comes to knives and the knife community. I know a few folks snicker at this thought of a higher level of integrity in regards to knife people, but it is real and not imagined on my part.
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I agree in totality!!!

I would also suggest that when a knife is described other than "NIB" or "Mint" you make certain you see some photos. What I think is "good condition" or "great condition" may be far different than another. I would say that knife is in "good" condition while I am certain others will differ.

Oh well, live and learn.....................
 
The guy in question sounds decent, I'd say contact Benchmade and get an estimate on refurbishing the knife. Re-satin it, put a factory edge back on it etc... If he's willing to give you a free knife than he should be willing to pay the cost of the refurbishing, which, in all likelihood will cost less than a Rat3. This way you get to keep the knife.

It sounds like a sloppy trade on both ends. I have done a few trades before, and I never use the knife, let alone trade it off until I hear that the other person is satisfied on their end. That was a BIG mistake on his part.

Send it in for the spa treatment on his dime.:thumbup:
 
I don't know how appropriate this is, however FWIW I have completed a trade with dutch which went very smoothly and knife was as described. gregs' recommendation sounds fair and I hope you can come to an agreeable resolution. It's good to see dutch is willing to rectify, but c'mon...no pic request for a stated used knife :o
 
I expect all trades to follow at least these guidelines:

1. Describe as accurately as possible the condition of the knife you are offering.
2. The deal is not complete until both parties are happy.

I posted here to get advice on what I should do about it. I am not at all upset that I received a knife in a different condition than was described, opinions vary and I understand this. The problem is that he traded the knife immediately after he got it without checking with me, or even checking his BF inbox. I am now stuck with some other option than getting my PSK back.


RedbeAR15 said:
Am I understanding this correctly? You traded for a knife that you did not see any pictures of beforehand, nor did you ask what type of metal the blade was? Did you quantify "very good condition" prior to the trade?

Sounds like you are dealing with a pretty good guy if he is willing to try to work something out for you. Good Luck
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The reason I did not care that much is because I was relying on the common knowledge that the deal is not done until both parties are happy. If we did not follow this rule on trading forums, we could lie about anything we want and call people suckers when they get screwed. He is trying to twist the truth by telling me that he said the knife was in "good condition" in his PM to me, yet claimed it was in "very good condition" in the trade thread. This implies that he knew the knife was only in good condition, yet tried to sell it off as very good condition.
 
michaelmcgo said:
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2. The deal is not complete until both parties are happy.

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If we did not follow this rule on trading forums, we could lie about anything we want and call people suckers when they get screwed.
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Not to detract from anything else that Mike has said, but these two sentences emphasize the point so succinctly that they needed to be quoted independently.
 
he screwed up, but he has offered to right his wrong. why don't you give him a chance to do that?
 
severedthumbs said:
he screwed up, but he has offered to right his wrong. why don't you give him a chance to do that?
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Well then perhaps he should undo his trade of Mike's PSK in order to return it as he clearly traded it prematurely. It was his responsibility to make sure it was a done deal before trading it off...

While I agree that he did make a generous offer of compensation, it simply was not to the satisfaction of the parties involved, and that is all that really matters.
 
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If the trade cant be undone, perhaps a new PSK would suffice? Its not like we r takling about ultra rare knives here. I would imagine they are easily obtainable.
 
with regards to the steel of the blade. I feel it is the person who is recieving the knife to know exactly what type or style or steel type is used in knife in trade. If it is not mentioned in the for sale or trade post I would ask this of the seller/trader before doing a deal.

I know your dissappointed but send it off to Tom Krein or any knife maker and he can put a razor edge on it..and make it your user..no harm no foul.
 
Don't really have a dog in this fight... But maybe both parties can come out happy and learn from this trade.

Remember to ask questions and not assume, and a trade is not a trade until both parties are happy. This is not what most of us do for a living... its what we do for FUN!!

If you are interested I will sharpen it at no cost AND I will cover return shipping!

Let me know if I can help.

Tom
 
The problem with the blade steel is I always thought the BM530 only came in 154CM. If I'd known different I would have definitely have asked.

Thank you very much Tom, I think I might be a fool to turn down one of your legendary sharpening jobs (for now), but hopefully this will be resolved and I both parties will be happy.

Let this serve as a lesson to all: THE DEAL IS NOT COMPLETE UNTIL ALL PARTIES ARE HAPPY.
 
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