Yea it's supposed to have high wear resistance AND High Toughness!!Vanadis 8 is like 10V but tougher, right? And sound hard to get. What are your plans for it?
I'm just disappointed that vanadis 8 has no nitrogen otherwise, it seems scary good at edge retention ... not even close to being stainless
Thanks!I finally ground a small hunter out of the VANADIS 8 stock. It is more difficult to work with than 10V. I will be sending it to Peters' aiming for 64 RC. The raw steel also doesn't seem to pick up rust as quickly as 10V for some reason, but this is pre-HT.
If it's as tough as I've seen or heard, it should be! Only problem is that its RARE. I've only seen it once and I grabbed a peice. But that could change if popularity increases.if I had to guess at what Larrin would say... it would be along the line of 'the really high carbon & V content forms the bulk of carbides, leaving more of the chrome and moly in solution, thus helping corrosion resistance more than you might expect'
hope he sees this and chimes in ; )
64 hrc AFTER temper is really high, I'd love to see a charpy test done for his thread on vanadis 8... it looks like it could be an 'm4 killer'
There are a few possibilities:if I had to guess at what Larrin would say... it would be along the line of 'the really high carbon & V content forms the bulk of carbides, leaving more of the chrome and moly in solution, thus helping corrosion resistance more than you might expect'
hope he sees this and chimes in ; )
There are a few possibilities:
2) The difference is perceived and not real
As for plans?
I havent the slightest of ideas.
One hopefully will be for me. The other for sale. But being a knife maker there is a good chance I will sell both.
Maybe some kind of camp knife or a utility/fighter.
Shit that's a Brilliant idea!!!!It sounds like it would make the ultimate pigsticker!
When you hunt pigs on foot you tend to take absolute minimum gear i.e. one gun, one knife and one headlamp (if going at night). So whatever knife you use as a sticker also doubles up for skinning / gutting / processing meat / prying joints apart. It needs to be thin and very sharp to get through the armor on a boar, but also good edge retention because hog hair is brutal on an edge. Also it might get roped in to hacking away at light vegetation like blackberry because that's where pigs run to. So basically very good edge stability at thin geometry combined with very high wear resistance. Vanadis 8 sounds like it has all these qualities.
So pigsticker is my vote!
No worries!!! This thread is a complete derailment of my sanity lol.And I bet this is the crux of plenty of observations in the knife realm.
"In my experience, BlahBlah3750 is easier to sharpen than S&M69...." or:
"With the addition of whatevrium, this material should be tougher than M388-Blah Blah..."
I'm sure these perceptions are real, and those assumptions might hold some water. But I always take these observations with a grain of salt, simply because I think that perception many times is "good enough reality".
Not to derail your thread, Colin, but I just had to nod my head at this part of Larrin's post.
No worries!!! This thread is a complete derailment of my sanity lol.
I buy more and more and more and more steel. And my reasoning behind it is....well it's new, cool, rare Or awesome steel. So I buy it.
I'll worry about selling it later!!
I have no idea what you said, but you got me excited!!
It's not the Nitrogen that helps with corrison that's the Chromium.I'm just disappointed that vanadis 8 has no nitrogen otherwise, it seems scary good at edge retention ... not even close to being stainless
This steel is in the sweet spot of available steels that maxs out strength and wear resistance without being edge brittle.
K390, K294, Z-A11, CTS PMA11, and 10v will out cut this steel when used for purely cutting but the Vanadis 8 has qualities that balance it more towards edge toughness than the other A11 types. It's not shock resistant like lower alloy steels but will hold a wayyyyyy longer edge then S7, A8mod and 3V.
The edge it will hold it's shape better then most steels thanks to hitting that sweet spot for hardness, strength, wear resistance and relative toughness.
It's a high performance edge steel.
It's not the Nitrogen that helps with corrison that's the Chromium.
High chromium is not ideal for high strength and high toughness. You have to sacrifice some edge performance for stainless
But then you have to sacrifice ease of maintenance. Luckily a steel like this isn't going to be as reactive as 1095 etc.
Everything has trade offs.