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I've gone steel crazy

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by ShannonSteelLabs, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. ShannonSteelLabs

    ShannonSteelLabs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 9, 2015
    I can wait to use it!
    And I definitely need some sweet stones. Everything now is just straight off the grinder. 600 grit SiC belt then buff to break the burr. 2 compounds. If I feel its needed I will bring it up to the green fine compound or red ultra fine.
    Then I go to 1 mic diamond.
    If I'm really feeling it I will go to 0.5 mic.
    The edge that comes up is wild.
     
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  2. ShannonSteelLabs

    ShannonSteelLabs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 9, 2015
    Sooo...
    ......
    Badass pig sticker?
    Because if not I'm just gonna make a cool camp knife or 2.
     
  3. dirc

    dirc

    Jan 31, 2018
    2 good camp knives will be worth more than a big pig sticker (imho)... unless you have someone that has agreed to pay a high price for a big sticker
     
  4. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Triple B Handmade, Custom Knives Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 22, 2014
  5. dirc

    dirc

    Jan 31, 2018
    I've re-read it - the pitting resistance is that much better - I know that other tests are not as good - that's why I linked the whole article
     
  6. Larrin

    Larrin Gold Member Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2004
    The nitrogen helps with pitting when there is already a chromium oxide film. But you can't make a stainless steel with nitrogen alone.
     
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  7. ShannonSteelLabs

    ShannonSteelLabs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 9, 2015
    Yea that's true.

    Maybe I'll make a badass pig sticker out of Zwear.
     
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  8. ShannonSteelLabs

    ShannonSteelLabs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 9, 2015
    VANADIS 8 is
    IN THE BUILDING.

    Shipment came in yesterday.
     
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  9. Rhinoknives1

    Rhinoknives1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    Agreed on those simple Carbon Steels , I live a couple of blocks from the Pacific Ocean and when I started Knife Making I bought 3’ lengths of O1 & 1095, when the wind was
    Up I could be finish grinding a HTed blade, Stop for lunch and come back. To see a few spots forming on the Steel from the Salt Air, I became a devote of the 440C and family of Steels from it, ATS-34, CM154 etc, I still use 440C for my large Culinary, & Camp blades & AEB-L and NitroV for the rest!
     
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  10. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Triple B Handmade, Custom Knives Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 22, 2014
    You should give the Lc200n a try, Chuck has it at alpha knife supply
     
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  11. Rhinoknives1

    Rhinoknives1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    Haven’t heard of that one? I have some 100 plus water jet cut blades of 440c & NitroV As Of now, Plus I’m sure there is a few billets I’ve forgotten about I’m my shop, lol .... so it’s gonna be a while before I’m buying any more Steels but I appreciate the suggesting and will do some research on Lc200n.. Thanks
     
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  12. Larrin

    Larrin Gold Member Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2004
    LC200N is also known as Cronidur 30 and Z-Finit if that helps.
     
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  13. Rhinoknives1

    Rhinoknives1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    Developed overseas from the sound of it? I’ll go do a read on it?
     
  14. Rhinoknives1

    Rhinoknives1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    That’s sounds almost to good to be true! In the next year or so as I grind& handle all of my current inventory of profiled Blade & billets I’ll continue to read up and look for the sizes I’d want... thanks to Deadbox & Larrin!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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  15. Larrin

    Larrin Gold Member Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2004
    Germany
     
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  16. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Triple B Handmade, Custom Knives Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 22, 2014
    It tops out at 59-60rc which is fine for what it is. It takes an excellent finish, its not as tough as AEB-L but should be more wear resistant. I think of it as a more stable, rust proof vg10(59-60) that sharpens better.

    Real world testing amongst many different users shows great enthusiasm because of stability and ease of sharpening.

    It doesn't have the horsepower of more expensive steels like Vanax that offer more wear resistance pushing close to Elmax


    Nor does it have the higher hardness capability of bd1N, Nitro V or Nitrobe77

    But it makes a blade that would really fit with what you like my friend and your customers would enjoy it too.
     
  17. Rhinoknives1

    Rhinoknives1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    It sounds worth giving a try in one of my 7 3/4” Asian Chef patterns! 59-60 doesn’t bother me at all, I’ve have people here rant at about how AEB-L needs to be at 62-63 ... Since I started using these Steels about 8-10 years ago , I called Paul Farner at Paul Bos at chatted with him on this and he said an RC of 60 plus should work fine. So years ago, About 20? Paul Bos came to one of our Local Cal knife makers meetings and told us that there can be a Spread of a degree in hardness, that I should mark my blades, for instance, 58-59 for the CM-154 Steel I was asking about at the time .. I’ve sent all of my AEB-L & Nitro-V to be HTed at Paul Boss 60-61 and never had an issue with any I’ve made or sold... So how machinable is this LC200N???
     
  18. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Triple B Handmade, Custom Knives Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 22, 2014
    Lc200n is Very, very easy to work with. Its not as easy as 1095 and AEB-L at 60rc but easier then CPM154 and it takes a dreamy finish even at low grit.

    I'm totally into the high hardness stuff though too man. You should definitely give AEB-L a try at higher hardness (62-63) it has plenty of toughness to spare and isn't that much more difficult to work with and will sharpen a little better for some since the burr falls off and the apex wants to be really really crispy.

    Larrin has spilled his guts into a killer Patreon article about AEB-L, it really goes into extreme detail. You should consider signing up as an investment. I've definitely seen my work get a huge boost from all the research and knowledge that I have been putting into practice.

    Yes give that Lc200n a try, you'll enjoy it.
     
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  19. ShannonSteelLabs

    ShannonSteelLabs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 9, 2015
    Don't forget to tell him it grinds backwards.

    It's harder on low grit belts.
    But once you get to finer grits. 220+ it gets buttery to work with. A really nice steel to work with once you go finer.

    In my experience it is a very very tough stainless. I made a prototype Bowie out of it. Customer uses it as a cleaver in his kitchen. No chipping or rolling at 60HRC.
    600 grit finish looked super nice.
    I highly recommend the steel.
     
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  20. ShannonSteelLabs

    ShannonSteelLabs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 9, 2015
    I will be using about 7-8 inches of the Vanadis 8 for a personal EDC fixed blade.
    It is not my design. A close friend designed it.
    But I really like it. I made a Damascus prototype this past weekend. Star fire 3V Damascus from Vegas forge. Needs to be heat treated.
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2019
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