I've lost respect for Rick Hinderer.

Jaxx said:
I have met & chatted with Rick Hinderer twice at the BLADE show in Atlanta, and I have to say that he is a very humble and well respected knifemaker who immediately breaks into a smile when told that his knives are being carried and used. He loves to hear this.
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I saw the same very positive attitude myself. Three of us met him at a New York show, after all the customs had been sold. He stood there and talked to us in detail about the Gerber rescue knife he designed.
 
ROBB said:
From what I've read R.Hinderer is a full time firefighter and a 1 man operation with knife making..
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Rick has helpers....exactly what they do, am not sure, but he is not a single man toiling by the candle light anymore.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
ROBB said:
From what I've read R.Hinderer is a full time firefighter and a 1 man operation with knife making. I also think he has stopped taking orders for the X-18 till he catches up. Whatever the secondary prices are Rick is'nt making the profit.

You should be glad you were able to get one and the prices have gone up. If you had to sell it you can make a profit.
Why did you single out Rick Hinderer? There are many other knife makers that have made knives that are more in demand than production. Scott Cook, Deryk Monroe, Phil Bogusezski, etc. Try getting a folder from them.
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Like I said, the issue isn't about if Rick is making money off the secondary market or not. It doesn't matter.

And I am forunate that I was able to get an XM-18 for the same price as a semi-custom today. And the reason I "singled" out Rick is because I'm not aware of the other makers other than Scott Cook. And while I think Scott's prices in the secondary market for his Lochsa is insane, his prices for his custom Lochsa on orders are the same as they've always been. As far as I'm aware. He didn't start selling a "semi-custom" version of the Lochsa and charged the same price for it while making a "custom" Lochsa and charged a more expensive price.
 
Corz said:
What does it matter if Rick is not seeing or benefiting from the secondary market. That's not what is being discussed here.

It's the inflation of price for a "custom". I'll put it this way, if Rick wants to get the knives out there more quickly then why bother making "custom" XM-18s? And when I say "custom", I'm not talking about XM-18s that have carbon fiber handles, etc. I'm talking about XM-18s that are exactly the same as the semi-custom ones except the blades have been been done by Rick himself. By doing this, Rick is saying that the "custom" XM-18s are better than the "semi-custom" ones but just cost more now than they did a few years ago. I wouldn't have a problem with the shift in price for the "custom" XM-18s had the "semi-custom" ones had gone down in price.
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I don't understand why you have a problem with this at all! Should Rick penalize himself by lowering his prices on the Gen III's for his success in designing a folder that turned out to be such a big hit? No. The quality is the same. Many makers & companies charge lower prices on new products at first only to raise them over time when they prove to be successful & popular in the marketplace. Apparently, he gets less than they are currently worth, because they sell for more on the secondary market sold by previous owners.

He's not saying that his full customs are better by charging more for them. However, they are more aesthetically pleasing in the same way that a vehicle that is fully loaded is, and so these will cost more for the "options" now. Why shouldn't he make what he wants to make??? If he wants to still produce full customs for shows because we, the customers, will happily buy them, who are you to tell him he's wrong? He's established his success with the XM-18 on hard work and creative thinking, so now he's charging a little more for the full customs. He could easily get more for them, but chooses not to. It's called CAPITALISM, and he's not being sneaky about it, nor is he forcing you to buy any more.

As has been said here already... You don't like it, don't buy it.

If & when you go to sell your Gen II XM-18, are you going to list it for the same price that you paid, assuming it isn't used, or are you going to try for current market value????

Whether you like it or not is my concern, but to slam him here for being both an excellent knifemaker and a smart businessman is well... Petty.

I'm done here. Surely someone must have contacted Rick by now, so I'll let him respond to you if he wants. I will say this. If you think that you can make as good of a product as he can, then you can charge a lower price for it and run your business any way you choose.

 
Known Rick for well over 10 years. long before his work became popular.

A crook or manipulator he is not. That is a fact. Sneaky does not even enter the picture, but total honesty and integrity is there in full color. (Another fact.).
 
Jaxx said:
I don't understand why you have a problem with this at all! Should Rick penalize himself by lowering his prices on the Gen III's for his success in designing a folder that turned out to be such a big hit? No. The quality is the same. Many makers & companies charge lower prices on new products at first only to raise them over time when they prove to be successful & popular in the marketplace. Apparently, he gets less than they are currently worth, because they sell for more on the secondary market sold by previous owners.

He's not saying that his full customs are better by charging more for them. However, they are more aesthetically pleasing in the same way that a vehicle that is fully loaded is, and so these will cost more for the "options" now. Why shouldn't he make what he wants to make??? If he wants to still produce full customs for shows because we, the customers, will happily buy them, who are you to tell him he's wrong? He's established his success with the XM-18 on hard work and creative thinking, so now he's charging a little more for the full customs. He could easily get more for them, but chooses not to. It's called CAPITALISM, and he's not being sneaky about it, nor is he forcing you to buy any more.

As has been said here already... You don't like it, don't buy it.

If & when you go to sell your Gen II XM-18, are you going to list it for the same price that you paid, assuming it isn't used, or are you going to try for current market value????

Whether you like it or not is my concern, but to slam him here for being both an excellent knifemaker and a smart businessman is well... Petty.

I'm done here. Surely someone must have contacted Rick by now, so I'll let him respond to you if he wants. I will say this. If you think that you can make as good of a product as he can, then you can charge a lower price for it and run your business any way you choose.
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Again with the secondary market talk. Are you saying that it's okay for Rick to charge more since obviously his knife is fetching for more on the secondary market? Again, it doesn't matter. Don't penalize the customers for what other people are doing.

And again to repeat myself, it's Rick's right to raise up the prices. But with that said, I just think the way he went about raising the prices for real "custom" XM-18s was deceiving. There was no official announcements on his part.

And I'm keeping my XM-18.
 
Rick Hinderer is a GREAT GUY making one of the best custom knives for the money EVER! He will tell you himself that he makes his knives to be used and can not help that his collector value is going up. He is making his knives for hard use. He gets a big :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: from me! Kevin
 
Corz said:
Again with the secondary market talk. Are you saying that it's okay for Rick to charge more since obviously his knife is fetching for more on the secondary market? Again, it doesn't matter. Don't penalize the customers for what other people are doing.

And again to repeat myself, it's Rick's right to raise up the prices. But with that said, I just think the way he went about raising the prices for real "custom" XM-18s was deceiving. There was no official announcements on his part.

And I'm keeping my XM-18.
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There is no cause for him to make an announcement about a price raise. The ability to make more for their work, and especially their time, is something that all makers, and all other craftsmen in any field, aspire to.

If one were not petty, one would congratulate him on his success instead of punching at shadows.
 
Corz said:
Are you saying that it's okay for Rick to charge more since obviously his knife is fetching for more on the secondary market?
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Yes.

Why should Rick be the one who makes the least for one of his knives?
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Yes.

Why should Rick be the one who makes the least for one of his knives?
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Well, if that's the case, then Rick might as well sell his semi-custom XMs for 5-600 dollars since that's what they're going around for in the secondary market since you obviously think that people flipping the knives should dictate the retail price. Forget about the loyal customers.
 
Might as well? Evidently then, he isn't gouging. Just charging more than appeals to you for some of his knives.

And I bet the demand still exceeds the supply.
 
roughedges said:
There is no cause for him to make an announcement about a price raise. The ability to make more for their work, and especially their time, is something that all makers, and all other craftsmen in any field, aspire to.

If one were not petty, one would congratulate him on his success instead of punching at shadows.
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The ones who made him successful are also some of the same people getting screwed over.

I've read a lot of situations of people who had put in their orders for an XM-18only to realize that the Gen 3s that were coming out had blades that were being outsourced causing them to cancel their orders. There were a lot of people who, like myself, had bought a "custom" XM-18 in the past and was hoping to buy another in the future only to realize that for the same price we would only be able to get a "semi-custom" and that the true "customs" were now a few hundred dollars more. I just find it wrong that the people who have made his knife successful by giving him business are now being rewarded for it by having to deal with higher prices if we want to get our hands on another "custom".
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Might as well? Evidently then, he isn't gouging. Just charging more than appeals to you for some of his knives.

And I bet the demand still exceeds the supply.
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Like I said, if he wants to sell XM-18s for a higher price, fine. It's just the way he went about it is wrong.
 
Corz said:
Are you saying that it's okay for Rick to charge more since obviously his knife is fetching for more on the secondary market?
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He can raise or lower his price as much as he like's. They are his knives produced from his labour. He can give them away if he chooses.......
As long as he discloses it he can make them any way he chooses and in any quantity....If customers buy them that is all the proof he needs that his price, quantity and quality are correct.
If they are to expensive for you or produced in a way you do not like don't buy one.
It is still the United States of America not the Peoples Republic of North Korea.

Your unwarranted rant against a respected member of the Knife Community is doing little for your reputation on BladeForums.
 
Alfaholic said:
Your unwarranted rant against a respected member of the Knife Community is doing little for your reputation on BladeForums.
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No offense but, I care more about my rep in real life than I do about it on a messageboard on the internet.

With that said, I'm not here to just for the sake of trolling. But get real.
 
Corz said:
No offense but, I care more about my rep in real life than I do about it on a messageboard on the internet.

With that said, I'm not here to just for the sake of trolling. But get real.
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Based on what you've said, I would think that YOUR knife, having been produced before the outsourcing began and the price increased happened, would also be worth more on the secondary market, perhaps more than you paid for it originally.

So, it would seem that your stock has increased in value as well.

Andy
 
Andrew Colglazier said:
Based on what you've said, I would think that YOUR knife, having been produced before the outsourcing began and the price increased happened, would also be worth more on the secondary market, perhaps more than you paid for it originally.

So, it would seem that your stock has increased in value as well.

Andy
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It definately has. But like I said, I'm not interested in selling it.
 
Corz said:
No offense but, I care more about my rep in real life than I do about it on a messageboard on the internet.
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Boy, have I got news for you! This is real life. Even though it's on your computer, you don't get to die three times and then hit restart and get another three lives to throw away. You are interacting with real people in the real world and everything you do goes on your permanent record. There is no restart button.
 
Not that I want to be forum police or anything,

But should this thread not be in "The good, the bad and the ugly".
I like to read about, see, and discuss custom knives in this forum, not discussions about their pricing.

Kind regards,

Jos
 
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