I've lost respect for Rick Hinderer.

Corz said:
Well, if that's the case, then Rick might as well sell his semi-custom XMs for 5-600 dollars since that's what they're going around for in the secondary market since you obviously think that people flipping the knives should dictate the retail price. Forget about the loyal customers.
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I know that said that I was done here, but I feel that this warrants a response...

Maybe he should. They would still be worth the money. This loyal customer (meaning me) doesn't see anything wrong with Rick's business practices so far, and wishes him further success. I'm sorry that you don't agree ... But I also see that no one else posting on this thread agrees with you also. Being that some of these folks posting responses to the thread know more about knives & knifemakers than I ever will, this alone says something.

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I really do feel your pain. Just don't blame Rick.
Before I was a maker and in my early days as a maker, I was a collector. I had knives by Loveless, Moran, etc. A lot of the heavy hitters. I paid $500.00 for my first Loveless and I immediately placed another order with him. in little over a year, the price went up to $1,000.00. It was then that I had to realize that I was clearly out of that market and started collecting other makers like Brend, Herron. I had over 100 Herron's at one time and sold them at a small profit to build a house. I also sold my Brend's off a little later.
Fast forward 20 years when I had a little more disposable income. I wanted to rebuild my Herron collection that I loved dearly. Guess what?? The prices had quadrupled and he was not making very many anymore. I bought a few, but quickly realized that they too were out of my reach. So, I then had Walter Brend make me approx 10-15 knives for under $1,000.00. Fast forward a couple of years and those same knives are anywhere from $2,400.00 - $4,000.00. So, Now I can't collect those anymore.
Do I blame all of these guys for their success? No, I can't. I hate that I can not afford their knives anymore, but that's life. I will something else in my price range to collect. There are a lot of talented makers making great knives. Who knows who will be the next Ken Onion, Tom Mayo or Rick Hinderer??
One thing for sure, if you are a true collector/user, it will be fun to try and find out.
BB

P.S.
I am good friends with Rick and once had approx 20 of his knives and I can not afford them anymore. That is not his problem.
I'll simply find something else in my price range.
BB
 
if I bought an Emerson, or an Onion, for example, as a hand made custom knife from the maker several years ago for half what the same knife costs today, I'd consider myself lucky.

Midtechs from either of these awesome knife makers go for a pretty penny, probably close to what they were getting for the custom version 5-10 years ago.



An aside;

I would never consider myself, or want to be, something like a Forum Policeman and fully submit that there are others far better suited to the task, but this is the forum that I spend my spare time in, and I care what goes on in here. So forgive me for speaking my mind.

Guys coming in here to rant against a knife maker gets my ire up. If I wanted to be in a place where guys rant and rave over how unfair it all is, I'd be spending my time elsewhere on Bladeforums. But I don't care for that, and this forum doesn't cater to that pollution, which is one of the reasons I like it here.

Coming here, to the Custom and Handmade knives forum for the sole purpose of trying to hurt a knife maker's reputation is not something that I want to have to get used to. I hope this thread doesn't set a precedent for this kind of thing.
 
3 threads and every one on them bashing a maker in some way. Not a very good start to your forum presence. First you knock the Sebenza, then you badmouth Atwood and now you are criticizing Hinderer. Passionate or not about your chosen subject matter, the manner in which you presented your opinions are far from respectable and have a tone of disdain towards these makers and the ways they do business or what products they put out and how much they charge. I am not at all happy with the way you started off which now puts you in my Notepad Of Evil as a "Possible Troll". From this point forth....tread lightly. You are being closely watched.
 
Ken C. said:
3 threads and every one on them bashing a maker in some way. Not a very good start to your forum presence. First you knock the Sebenza, then you badmouth Atwood and now you are criticizing Hinderer. Passionate or not about your chosen subject matter, the manner in which you presented your opinions are far from respectable and have a tone of disdain towards these makers and the ways they do business or what products they put out and how much they charge. I am not at all happy with the way you started off which now puts you in my Notepad Of Evil as a "Possible Troll". From this point forth....tread lightly. You are being closely watched.
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I knocked the Sebenza? Can you show me where?
 
I don't get it.

Hinderer is in business. He produces a livelihood for his family and him. He does not have any responsibility to you or anyone else to produce knives that are affordable to you or to keep them at any price regardless of how they are produced.

If he can turn out knives that people perceive as being worth what he is charging, then he will continue selling knives. It seems that he is doing this!

What is your ax to grind? You cannot get a custom version at $385 any more? Oh well, things change. They were under priced then, anyway.

If you don't like the situation, then don't buy it. We live in a free economy and every consumer has a choice--at least for now.

Don't begrudge the man for making a living and providing for his family.
 
I have seen NOTHING in Corz's repetitive whining that remotely supports his characterization of Hinderer or his business practices as "sneaky" or "deceiving". I find these assertions to be unwarranted and utterly irresponsible. It's easy to sit comfortably behind an anonymous internet handle and lob bombs like that in an attempt to tarnish a maker's reputation. It is also pretty cowardly.

Roger
 
Kohai999 said:
It may suck, Lorien, but it is honest and heartfelt, and there are MANY, MANY other Forumites in Customs better suited to playing Forum Police than you.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Steven - I certainly acknowledge your resident expertise with respect to all things knives. But your "better suited" comment above could apply to many of us since it has nothing to do with knives.

There is no resident expert here on freedom of expression, which I think your comments sometimes unintentionally might stifle, when not knife-related.

But that's just my opinion - something that I like to express now and then, though not often.

Best regards,

Bob
 
Ken C. said:
Let's see.....you compared a Sebenza with an Opinel. I read that thread thoroughly and it sounds like a knock on the Sebenza to me.
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Can you please show me the post where I compared a Sebenza to an Opinel?
 
Corz said:
I just find it wrong that the people who have made his knife successful by giving him business are now being rewarded for it by having to deal with higher prices if we want to get our hands on another "custom".
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So, what you're saying is that you think that the prices should stay the same, irregardless of materials or the value of the maker's time, especially for someone who had previously purchased one of the product in question:confused:

Oh wait, me too:thumbup: I think prices should never go up, and makers should only get paid what they made the year before, and Ford should sell me a Mustang at 1964 prices (and probably cheaper since they're mostly plastic now:p) I mean, that makes total sense! Because, I'm sure, you've spent you're entire life working a job where you turned down raises, just the appreciation your bosses showed for your work was enough:thumbup: I know I have;):D
 
betzner said:
Steven - I certainly acknowledge your resident expertise with respect to all things knives. But your "better suited" comment above could apply to many of us since it has nothing to do with knives.

There is no resident expert here on freedom of expression, which I think your comments sometimes unintentionally might stifle, when not knife-related.
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Bob, I definitely INTENTIONALLY stifle Freedom of Expression from time to time, especially if, imo, the expressor is an idiot(not the case here).:D

I would also say that someone like Keith Montgomery, Coop, or Shaldag would be more appropriate for Customs Forum Policing, again, imo. They have a consistency of temperment that is foreign to most of us, Lorien included.

Back to our regularly scheduled program.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Corz said:
Can you please show me the post where I compared a Sebenza to an Opinel?
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Once again...correction. That was another possible troll.
 
Kohai999 said:
Bob, I definitely INTENTIONALLY stifle Freedom of Expression from time to time, especially if, imo, the expressor is an idiot(not the case here).:D

I would also say that someone like Keith Montgomery, Coop, or Shaldag would be more appropriate for Customs Forum Policing, again, imo. They have a consistency of temperment that is foreign to most of us, Lorien included.

Back to our regularly scheduled program.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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You obviously didn't stifle Lorien's opinion or mine, STeven. My problem with this is that you ATTEMPT to stifle opinion and sometimes succeed, more than likely - and that's not good. And this thing about people being better suited to do Forum policing - come on, gimme a break.

Enough said, because I am outta here on this one.
 
i do agree with you, the prices should have deffinatly gone straight down since they are only "semi-custom", it takes alot for me to really call a knife custom, i think the very few makers i do call there knives custom are Armand Palacio and Audra Draper lol, i have ALOT of respect for Audra Draper's work, that is a full on custom knife, and the prices... WOW her prices are fair.
 
Kohai999 said:
Bob, I definitely INTENTIONALLY stifle Freedom of Expression from time to time, especially if, imo, the expressor is an idiot(not the case here).:D
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how should I take that, exactly?
 
betzner said:
You obviously didn't stifle Lorien's opinion or mine, STeven. My problem with this is that you ATTEMPT to stifle opinion and sometimes succeed, more than likely - and that's not good. And this thing about people being better suited to do Forum policing - come on, gimme a break.

Enough said, because I am outta here on this one.
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Yeah, why would any of us need "special" qualifications to have a valid opinion about the subject at hand?
As long as you have bought/owned/used some knives and have a brain(as well as some civility), that's good enough.:thumbup:
 
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