I've lost respect for Rick Hinderer.

Lorien said:
how should I take that, exactly?
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That you shouldn't try to be the Customs Forum Police because your temperment isn't suited to it....mine isn't either.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
stabman said:
Yeah, why would any of us need "special" qualifications to have a valid opinion about the subject at hand?
As long as you have bought/owned/used some knives and have a brain(as well as some civility), that's good enough.:thumbup:
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Did you get lost? This isn't Political.....got any custom knives? What?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
Bob, I definitely INTENTIONALLY stifle Freedom of Expression from time to time, especially if, imo, the expressor is an idiot(not the case here).:D
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I got the cop part, Steven. I have no yearnings to be a cop or anything like one here and stated such. Whether I have the temperament for it or not is not really something I considered, but you seem to know me pretty well, so I'll take your word for it.

I was more curious about idiot statement coupled with a happy face. Like you're saying that I'm an idiot, without saying I'm an idiot.
Don't worry, I don't care if you think I'm an idiot, I'm just trying to get to the heart of the matter, is all.
 
I can't see how anybody can lose respect for someone because that someone has become successful. Many successful knifemakers have increased the prices of their knives to the point where I can't afford them. As long as there are those that are willing to pay the price, I say congratulations and continued success.
 
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kda89508 said:
Rick Hinderer is a GREAT GUY making one of the best custom knives for the money EVER! He will tell you himself that he makes his knives to be used and can not help that his collector value is going up. He is making his knives for hard use. He gets a big :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: from me! Kevin
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That is a great point to make-- price increases from becoming collectible are different from price increases from production cost increases, or alleged "price jacking" for that matter.

If I am an artist (I'm not), and I am relatively unknown for the first 10 years of my career, my work is not going to fetch very much. However, if I become sought after as an artist, even widely popular, the pieces of art I sold very early on for pocket change could fetch huge amounts of money.

The price of collector items have nothing to do with the canvas, the paint, and the frame that someone is buying. I think at a certain level the same goes for knives. How many people have paid a premium to have a knife that says 34/200 on the blade? It doesn't make the knife better or worse off...the buyers are simply collectors. And collectors dictate the value of items in the open market.
 
Lorien said:
....Whether I have the temperament for it or not is not really something I considered, but you seem to know me pretty well, so I'll take your word for it.

I was more curious about idiot statement coupled with a happy face.
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1. I don't know YOU, but do know your internet persona, as well as you know mine.

2. I specifically wrote "not the case here" or some such to indicate that I DO NOT think you are an idiot, nor was it intimated.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Rick is a good guy. I admire him and I am very happy his XM-18 hit the market. His custom prices are very very reasonable.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I can't see how anybody can lose respect for someone because that someone have become successful. Many successful knifemakers have increased the prices of their knives to the point where I can't afford them. As long as there are those that are willing to pay the price, I say congratulations and continued success.
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With this economy, I am glad to see people spending $600 plus on knives with no problem.
Makes my business feel even more secure.
BB
 
Rick has my highest respect, the cost of his knives is a reflection of his work, high quality, high price.

Hell, I am about to drop near 4x "his" cost on one of his knives......second-hand. He is not sneaky and he still has a family and this is HIS business, he can do as he likes.

I don't know why he doesn't raise his prices more, he can see they sell for 2x what he sells them for! That is NOT sneaky, it is integrity.

But to each their own.
 
As a maker myself I just want to say that quite frankly when I got my first Hinderer knife for like $385 plus shipping to get it I was shocked it was that cheap! I knew then I got a deal. Had I loved it as much as I thought I would love it I'd have kept it but I sold it for exactly what I had in it after shipping from the guy that won the ticket to buy it at the Chicago Custom knife show and who only took it because he is my best friend and knew I wanted it.

Sure I could have sold it for much more and probably made some money but I didn't because its not how I roll first of all but also because it paid forward a favor that was paid to me and the guy that bought it happened to need it and still has it. Many others started pushing the prices up about that time. Back then they hovered routinely around $500. Then it went to $600, then $700 and now look at it. The customers did this not Rick OK so lets get that straight right now! So now Rick has wised up and finally started asking what he maybe should have been asking in the first place for his great folder. Personally I don't see the problem here. Isn't he deserving of that? I mean why shouldn't he get more? He's the one doing all the work! For crying out loud the things are routinely selling for that much anyways and quite honestly I don't think that if it were me in Rick's shoes I could have waited that long to get some of that. How do you think he must have felt selling his knives for $400 to someone and watchin' the guy that bought it turn around and double his money practically on the spot maybe right in front of him? Thats gotta be hard. You know it had to happen too.

If anything you should feel happy for the man that he is finally getting what he deserves to get for his legend in the making folding knife instead of cryin' about it but thats just my two cents worth! Rick is a good man. He put a lot into his craft. I've had one of each size of that folder and its as fine a knife as you will find. Certainly a premier folder in a world full of other premier folders and I don't know if any of you have woke up to todays prices or not but I just got back from Wal-Mart earlier and geez man. I got two little plastic bags full of some stuff we needed and it was $90 frickin' dollars. $100 doesn't buy much more than a few pivot barrels some screws and a few more tid bits of hardware these days for us makers after shipping. Give me a break here man! Rick deserves some of that money rolling around out there for that knife. Its high time he started getting it. Leave the man alone! I think you are just mad because you can't buy his knife now for $400 and double your money real quick. Thats what I think.

STR
 
Corz said:
Well, if that's the case, then Rick might as well sell his semi-custom XMs for 5-600 dollars since that's what they're going around for in the secondary market since you obviously think that people flipping the knives should dictate the retail price. Forget about the loyal customers.
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You have one , and are bashing him now that you can't get another , that is not a loyal customer , that is sour grapes.( or vinegar and water more likely )

Look , for Rick it aint about the money. If it was , you don't think he would still be building those fine art auto's he made before he switched to the "tactical" style ? You have had the pleasure to handle one haven't you ? If you haven't , you are missing out.

Having had the pleasure to talk with Rick many times , and one time in particular where we talked knife making for a couple hours in a hotel room , Rick is all about getting knives to the people. He uses his stuff , he tests his stuff. I am stoked to see him succeed like he has. People are proud to use and carry his knives.

If he raised his prices , good for him , I would always rather see the maker get more money vs the person who is going to flip it for a profit minutes after leaving the table.

I don't see anyone complaining about his prices , guys that have 4 , 5 , or 6 knives aren't complaining , yet you , who has one , and now can't get another , is making a fuss.

If you lost respect for Rick , that's too bad for you. Maybe you can sell someone who does respect him your knife , for what you paid for it....that sounds fair.

Rick has my utmost respect , as a person , a firefighter , a knifemaker and as a friend.
 
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it's a pity the XM18 became a semi-custom, especially for those who had ordered a custom and had waited a long while for it but didn't get the custom. I can understand if Corz is upset about that. I do wish I had gotten my custom XM18 before the change to semi-custom, the semi-custom doesn't hold as much appeal to me as the gen2 (if you read my old posts, I was always waxing lyrical about the gen2 then).

not sure that not getting a custom XM18 like before warrants this kind of post. Rick is free to charge/make what he wants, and one is free to wait/purchase or not purchase.
 
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I still like the firetacs! wish I didn't sell mine, but ah...I thought I was going to get a custom XM18, haha...talk about bad timing...
 
Corz said:
The ones who made him successful are also some of the same people getting screwed over...
...There were a lot of people who, like myself, had bought a "custom" XM-18 in the past and was hoping to buy another in the future only to realize that for the same price we would only be able to get a "semi-custom" and that the true "customs" were now a few hundred dollars more. I just find it wrong that the people who have made his knife successful by giving him business are now being rewarded for it by having to deal with higher prices if we want to get our hands on another "custom".
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This has got to be the most ridiculous view expressed. Take any other example of maker/product/consumer. An artist struggles and gets recognized. You think you can get the painting for the price you paid on the street when the guy hadn't eaten that day?
Someone else in manufacturing gets promoted and has someone else takes their position. You think you can get the original maker to go back on the floor and make the object for you without paying a premium?

Hyperbole aside, it's your right to not want to pay an increased price but really you have no right to knock an artist for being recognized and his time becoming more expensive.

If Mr. Hinderer were to have an "agent" then imagine the prices you would have to pay.
 
I agree with Corz totally. How dare Rick sell him a nice knife at a good price and then through his hard work and talent, make the knife worth much more than what he paid for it to begin with. The nerve of him! :rolleyes:
 
Rick and one of his good buddies put me in the trickbag a number of years ago on a run of knives, after I set up the deal, and then found the whole ordeal a joke.....yeah, real funny. :jerkit:

Needless to say I never got the piece promised to me, other than pictures of some of the parts rusting in a box of scrap....that was supposed to be the 'funny part'. :barf:
 
Dawkind said:
Rick and one of his good buddies put me in the trickbag a number of years ago on a run of knives, after I set up the deal, and then found the whole ordeal a joke.....yeah, real funny. :jerkit:

Needless to say I never got the piece promised to me, other than pictures of some of the parts rusting in a box of scrap....that was supposed to be the 'funny part'. :barf:
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Not sure I understand what you are saying, Dudley. You put together a run of knives for Rick to do, and it was never produced?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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