John Fitch

If it's not a dealer conspiracy, why does one of the top dealers respond within 3 minutes?

Personal attacks just prove my point concerning the ethics of the posters on this thread.


Sorry- it took me 25 minutes to respond this time. I was on the phone.

OK- so now I am going to back off and let you have the last word- make it a good one- like all the other stupid comments you have made so far in this thread.

Perhaps you will reveal your name and location- you know- show that you are a man and not just a baby.

Bye all,

Neil
 
Perhaps you will reveal your name and location- you know- show that you are a man and not just a baby.

Would that make the content of his posts more 'real'? I doubt it. The guy is a jagoff IMHO but he is entitled to his own point of view without having to prove to anyone who he/she is. The asking of the names is just so people can exert more pressure for their point of view IMO and it isn't needed.
 
Moving to GBU
 
Brownshoe, are you dense or what? Or you pretending not to understand the facts? "dealer conspiracy?" What the heck are you talking about?
John DID NOT pay for his table at the invitational show, so thats Dans 1st, direct loss straight from his pocket.
Customers must have been disappointed and that must have caused Dan problems as he advertised and promoted "promised" makers that were coming to his show.
Advertising does not cost money?
There are a lot of hidden costs in setting up and organizing an invitational show, as Dan explained, anybody that goes to shows can figure it out themselves.
Yes, and I for one have travelled to shows just to see ONE maker, as have a lot of my friends. I surely would not have been pleased if the maker I was promised to be at the show was not there.
Im sorry Keiths thread turned out this way, but I sure appreciate this info and am sure other collectors do too.
Brownshoe, theres no reason for ANYONE to lie. The facts presented in this thread speak for themselves.
 
I'm the one who opened the thread back up so an injured party could say his piece.Just happened to be a dealer.
Randy
 
I think in fairness to John we should all keep in mind that brownshoe's statements are his alone, not John's.

brownshoe you may think you're helping John, but trust me, you're not.

Roger
 
OK, I admit it! You got me brownshoe. I never even orderd a knife from the guy.....

.....you see, I don't like people who wear cowboy hats, especially if they come from Arkansas. So, I decided to try and ruin this guy's reputation for it by making up my story. I pity the next knifemaker that tries to wear one of these stoopid hats around me, especially if he's from Arkansas.

brownshoe, I don't know how a guy like you gets away with jerking off so many decent people around here. :jerkit:
 
My point in this thread was that people were not behaving properly by spreading rumor and gossip. Your continued behavior serves to prove me right.
 
Neil, RWS, Win, Keith...anyone left out.

Maybe you guys have met/known/seen the really obese girl on Jerry Springer who insists on wearing Daisy Dukes and tube tops.......?:barf:

No matter what ANYBODY says, she is "HOT" in her own mind, and even there on national television, clings stubbornly to her own illusion. That resolve is admirable, even though it is catastrophically misguided.

That behavior would be BS's first problem in this case.

The second problem, is that I am convinced that "he"(could be a 12 year old girl, who knows, problem with anonymity) has absolutely no care for John's plight, one way or the other. It is simply a platform for "him" to jump on, "proving" his superiority over us "bad boys". If John is a casualty of "his" behavior, NBD.:o

If you want to engage in an argument with an anonymous PT who has thoroughly enjoyed lambasting Sal Glesser whenever "he" gets a chance, be my guest. I can't do it, no fun, no gain, no glory.

Oil, you and I are going to disagree on your above post. It is your right to remain anonymous, but BS is causing wanton damage(as opposed to mu shu damage).:D

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Well, I was gonna stay out of this, since Randy closed the thread, and I thought that it was fitting that Dan should have the last word, being the injured party. However, since the thread has been moved, and opened, I would like to say the following:

I am not a knife dealer, and I am not a member of any conspiracy or cabal. I have never met Neil Ostroff or Dan Delavan, but have done business with both. I have never met John Fitch, but like his knives. After reading this thread, the only way that I would purchase a knife from him would be at a show--cash on the nail for the knife in my hand. I don't necessarily believe that he is dishonest, but he has shown himself to be a bad businessman by his actions described in this thread.

I would never, under any circumstances whatsoever, do any business with brownshoe. Especially, but not limited to knife business--exchanges, purchases, or anything else. He has shown himself to lack any understanding of this little hobby of ours:

Edited to Add: Most of the negative remarks about Mr. Fitch involve people who wished to profit on the sale of his work. They lost this opportunity. Now they are attacking his reputation. Is this retribution for their failure to profit from his work? If so shame on them. Orstuff is a purveyour who is now denigrating the reputation of someone who has upset the dealer network. Is this a cabal or a coincidence? Beware knifemakers if you disturb the powerful.

I have met a number of knifemakers, collectors, and purveyors in the past few years. Some of them have become good friends. Nobody has told me about any exploitation---no maker is required to deal with any purveyor. sure, people profit by each other's work--it works both ways in the case of makers and purveyors. Purveyors make a profit--that is the price that we pay for receiving a knife immediately, and being able to look at many knives from many makers all at once. I have, on many occasions, called makers with whom I am friendly, to inquire about the costs of making a similar knife that is being offered by a purveyor. In the cases of the purveyors that I do business with, the margin is not that high--if it were, I, like just about everyone else here, would deal with my impatience, and order from the maker, wait time or no. Brownshoe's post shows that he does not understand this business relationship.

However, it is worse than that. Brownshoe talks about innuendo, libel etc--despite the fact that there are fist-hand accounts of this story. Brownshoe sees no problem at all that Dan took a financial hit, as if Dan does not have a family to feed and bills to pay. (again, I don't know Dan--the family part is a guess, but I'm pretty sure about the bills.) Such a cavalier dismissal of someone else's problem---(and yes, this is a real problem-if such things happen often, Dan's show will go right down the toilet) tells me that brownshoe is not an honest person, and I would be just as happy to never have to deal with him in real life--or on the forums (which is why I am addressing the rest of the forumites, but not brownshoe directly).

Mr. Fitch could still make this right by calling Dan directly and having a conversation with him--I am sure that something could be worked out. Even if Mr. Fitch does not care to post here, I am sure that this would get back to us all. The vast majority of us would like to give any just about any knifemaker the benefit of the doubt.

However, like I said--brownshoe cannot make things right. I would not do business with him. I don't blame him for not revealing his identity--because, if we know who he was, few of us would be willing to to business with him in person either. Certainly, no purveyor in his right mind would sell him anything, or, given his lack of respect for their profession, would give him the time of day or a howdy-do.
 
Kohai, you are absolutely right. This guy isn't worth the time or effort at this point.

If he's really this thick, I feel sorry for the dude and everyone else he comes in contact with.
 
How come its always the people with the stupid anonymous monikers that cause the most trouble?

I love going to the Bladeshow when someone walks up to me and says:

"Hi, its great to meet you finally. I am insertidiotmonikerfrom "the forum". Usually I just stand there in amazement while a grown man calls himself a "playname" and expects me to act like we are old buddies from high school.

I just don't get it. It's a lot lot Dungeons and Dragons, I guess. I have a hard time relating to people who have pet names for themselves.
 
Hi Anthony
It's shaldag from Bladeforums. :D

There are reasons, none of which that I will post here, to remain anonymous.
Of course, st time (and shows) go by, the anonymity fades a little, as I do exactly what you have described. That is at my discretion. In many cases, it is to show someone that I am a long-time poster here, and that my word is my bond.

Some others have reasons of their own, that do not include the latter option.
 
John Fitch makes a FINE knife,in a variety of styles.IMO.
It's disheartening to hear about the recent events.
Hoping these issues get resolved in a mutually acceptable and timely fashion.

brownshoe. :jerkit:

Doug
 
Oil, you and I are going to disagree on your above post. It is your right to remain anonymous, but BS is causing wanton damage(as opposed to mu shu damage).:D

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

How would knowing his/her name and where he/she lives make things different if you don't count the intimidation factor though?

sincerely,

OilMan :p
 
How would knowing his/her name and where he/she lives make things different if you don't count the intimidation factor though?

sincerely,

OilMan :p

Not only does BS not have anyone to speak up for "him", but nobody knows who "he" is.........this makes it virtually impossible to gauge the quality of knowledge, experience........if you are saying "take it at face value, everyone is a beautiful, valuable reservoir of experience", sort of thing, well I say, fuck a pile of that!

You EARN the respect and attention that you are given by people, it is not a fucking G-D given right, when you jump up and down, and demand it, you look like one of the misfits on Springer.

This is NOT directed at anyone, who for any reason, chooses to remain anonymous on the ethernet for reasons of personal choice, but Oil, it all comes out in the end, you know?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Thanks guys for keeping me humble.

I lurked on this forum for years since I only got internet access at work. When I joined, I decided to remain anonymous due to the personal attacks I've seen on this forum. This thread is a good example. You don't need my name to know me through my posts. True names don't allow me to know anything more about Mr. Grasson, other than where to go to rip off his knives :) If you are a serious collector and use your real name on this forum, I hope you have a UL quality alarm system with private response service.

Mr. Fitch has ripped off no one. Even the rumor mongers never claimed they lost a dime in dealing with him. For the only two people with a first hand beef, one lost nothing, the other claims that they lost money guarenteeing a hotel room and a table fee. As I said before, I've worked in hotels and arranging shows and meetings, and I don't believe they really lost a dime. If they did lose anything, it could have just been due to miscommunication and certainly was due to poor show management.
 
This is unfriggin'believable... :confused: :eek: You must really dislike John Fitch to keep bringing that thread up.
 
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