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The BladeForums.com 2024 Traditional Knife is ready to order! See this thread for details: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-2024-traditional-knife.2003187/
Price is$300$250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
Order here: https://www.bladeforums.com/help/2024-traditional/ - Order as many as you like, we have plenty.
John_0917 be careful.
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OK as I promised Mr. Benjamin et al...the complete message transcript between the buyer and myself. It is a bit confusing as both of us are named John so I will Bold my messages and leave his normal text. Here we are:
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I received the knife today - thank you for shipping promptly.
The knife is not exactly as represented. Here is what you ad said: Pacific Salt: Light user, some marks on the black coating but nothing terrible. Edge is still factory and is chainsaw sharp. Action is nicely broken in, flicks easily. Just a tiny side to side play if force, none vertically. Includes a free 550 cord lanyard in black. Includes original box and inserts.
No 550 cord lanyard was included; I have plenty of 550 laying around. The edge near the tip is not factory and has had an attempt at sharpening as evidenced by courser than factory cross-hatched stone marks and a burr that can actually be eflt with my thumbnail. Feeling the burr is what caused me to grab a loupe and examine more closely. It's hard to tell as for the rest of the blade but the tip certainly has been used and sharpened - not so well I might add.
Sorry to hear you're disappointed, that was my error in removing the 550 lanyard at some point. As far as the point, I did not ever sharpen it myself. However, I was not the original owner, I bought the knife in almost new (not LNIB but not really used much) condition and obviously used it as I mentioned. Never examined the bevels up close, never had a reason to as it is still very sharp regardless. To the best of my knowledge, the edge is/was factory and if it appears to not be under close scrutiny then that is news to me.
I tried to be as clear and accurate in my listing as possible and was very open about the other wear marks on it etc. I feel I priced the knife appropriately and we reached a sale price that I believe is fair. I hope you don't feel there was any intent on my part to deceive you on the condition because there certainly was not. In short, I'm sorry you feel that I did not represent the knife accurately, the Exchange relies on an element of trust always and I try to do my part in supporting that. I hope there are no hard feelings and that you enjoy and make good use of the knife.
John
That an awful lot of words to really say nothing except, "You bought as knife that wasn't as represented ... sorry!"
John,
I get the sense you're very bent out of shape about this, or at least it's fair to deduce that from the negative feedback you left. Frankly I think the reason is ridiculous and I have let much more go in purchases before myself but I'll give you a refund if you want to send the knife back to me. Return shipping is up to you, refund contingent on the knife being as it was when I shipped it out of course. In return, I require that you remove the negative feedback. If you agree please let me know and I'll send you my address if you need it. We are both enthusiasts with a common interest and I don't want either of us to be unhappy with the outcome of this. Please let me know.
John
Your senses are wrong; I not "very bent out of shape" about anything. In fact, I actually feel fine about how things turned out. Your negative feedback was deserved, not just for the knife - but how you handled the matter afterwards.
I gave you ample opportunity and enough time to consider/re-consider your actions/inaction and, frankly, what you feel is "ridiculous" is of no moment. Moreover, your "contingencies" and demands inter alia included in your tardy attempt to avoid a well earned reputation ding are condescending if not entertaining.
Interesting how you do not want "either of us to be unhappy with the outcome of this" now - but you were certainly OK with my being unhappy not all that long ago.
I join with you in wishing that perhaps this could have ended differently - but we strayed far off course when it was your plane.
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There you have it, I put the part where I offered a refund in italics. After this last message I chose not to respond, he had by then left me negative feedback on iTrader and it was pretty clear to me that he's one of these types who are always going to find something to complain (can I say bitch?) about and nothing was going to change that.
Not sure what else I can do, will gladly answer any questions anyone has either in this thread or via PM.
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I received the knife today - thank you for shipping promptly.
The knife is not exactly as represented. Here is what you ad said: Pacific Salt: Light user, some marks on the black coating but nothing terrible. Edge is still factory and is chainsaw sharp. Action is nicely broken in, flicks easily. Just a tiny side to side play if force, none vertically. Includes a free 550 cord lanyard in black. Includes original box and inserts.
No 550 cord lanyard was included; I have plenty of 550 laying around. The edge near the tip is not factory and has had an attempt at sharpening as evidenced by courser than factory cross-hatched stone marks and a burr that can actually be eflt with my thumbnail. Feeling the burr is what caused me to grab a loupe and examine more closely. It's hard to tell as for the rest of the blade but the tip certainly has been used and sharpened - not so well I might add.
Sorry to hear you're disappointed, that was my error in removing the 550 lanyard at some point. As far as the point, I did not ever sharpen it myself. However, I was not the original owner, I bought the knife in almost new (not LNIB but not really used much) condition and obviously used it as I mentioned. Never examined the bevels up close, never had a reason to as it is still very sharp regardless. To the best of my knowledge, the edge is/was factory and if it appears to not be under close scrutiny then that is news to me.
I tried to be as clear and accurate in my listing as possible and was very open about the other wear marks on it etc. I feel I priced the knife appropriately and we reached a sale price that I believe is fair. I hope you don't feel there was any intent on my part to deceive you on the condition because there certainly was not. In short, I'm sorry you feel that I did not represent the knife accurately, the Exchange relies on an element of trust always and I try to do my part in supporting that. I hope there are no hard feelings and that you enjoy and make good use of the knife.
John
That an awful lot of words to really say nothing except, "You bought as knife that wasn't as represented ... sorry!"
John,
I get the sense you're very bent out of shape about this, or at least it's fair to deduce that from the negative feedback you left. Frankly I think the reason is ridiculous and I have let much more go in purchases before myself but I'll give you a refund if you want to send the knife back to me. Return shipping is up to you, refund contingent on the knife being as it was when I shipped it out of course. In return, I require that you remove the negative feedback. If you agree please let me know and I'll send you my address if you need it. We are both enthusiasts with a common interest and I don't want either of us to be unhappy with the outcome of this. Please let me know.
John
Your senses are wrong; I not "very bent out of shape" about anything. In fact, I actually feel fine about how things turned out. Your negative feedback was deserved, not just for the knife - but how you handled the matter afterwards.
I gave you ample opportunity and enough time to consider/re-consider your actions/inaction and, frankly, what you feel is "ridiculous" is of no moment. Moreover, your "contingencies" and demands inter alia included in your tardy attempt to avoid a well earned reputation ding are condescending if not entertaining.
Interesting how you do not want "either of us to be unhappy with the outcome of this" now - but you were certainly OK with my being unhappy not all that long ago.
I join with you in wishing that perhaps this could have ended differently - but we strayed far off course when it was your plane.
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There you have it, I put the part where I offered a refund in italics. After this last message I chose not to respond, he had by then left me negative feedback on iTrader and it was pretty clear to me that he's one of these types who are always going to find something to complain (can I say bitch?) about and nothing was going to change that.
Not sure what else I can do, will gladly answer any questions anyone has either in this thread or via PM.
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IMHO, you should have offered the refund in the first reply. Your first response to him does come across to me as blowing him off, and I'd have been upset too. Your "Sorry you're bent out of shape" also comes across as rude. While Salty may have been quick on the trigger with the feedback, I don't think he was totally out of line.
And just an FYI, I don't think Salty has the option of removing the feedback, only Spark can do that. So holding the refund hostage fro feedback removal wouldn't be a given even if Salty agreed to it.
And just an FYI, I don't think Salty has the option of removing the feedback, only Spark can do that. So holding the refund hostage fro feedback removal wouldn't be a given even if Salty agreed to it.
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Did I misunderstand or was the refund offer after the negative feedback?
killgar
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If opinions are being sought, here's mine-
First, my opinions are based on the assumption that the messages are 100% accurate. I have to say that because I have no way of being certain if they are 100% accurate.
Nowhere in any of Salty's messages is there any mention of wanting a refund. The fact that John_0917 was the first to bring up the idea of a refund makes it look to me like he was interested in making Salty happy. John_0917 could have just as easily told Salty to go pound sand.
I find it interesting that nowhere in Salty's messages is there any mention of how he could be made happy. He makes no mention of John_0917's offer for a refund. It looks to me like Salty was only interested in lecturing John_0917.
I don't know Salty (or John_0917) but I've encountered a lot of people in my life who prefer to complain when they are unhappy about something rather than actually seeking satisfaction (like accepting an offer for a refund). For some people, the complaining IS what satisfies them. Like creating this thread in the first place (without providing a picture of the alleged flaw).
If I bought a knife and wasn't happy with it, I would have asked for a refund in my very first communication. I would have made it very clear what I needed to be made happy. I don't get any satisfaction from lecturing or complaining.
Just my opinions based on my reading of this thread.
First, my opinions are based on the assumption that the messages are 100% accurate. I have to say that because I have no way of being certain if they are 100% accurate.
Nowhere in any of Salty's messages is there any mention of wanting a refund. The fact that John_0917 was the first to bring up the idea of a refund makes it look to me like he was interested in making Salty happy. John_0917 could have just as easily told Salty to go pound sand.
I find it interesting that nowhere in Salty's messages is there any mention of how he could be made happy. He makes no mention of John_0917's offer for a refund. It looks to me like Salty was only interested in lecturing John_0917.
I don't know Salty (or John_0917) but I've encountered a lot of people in my life who prefer to complain when they are unhappy about something rather than actually seeking satisfaction (like accepting an offer for a refund). For some people, the complaining IS what satisfies them. Like creating this thread in the first place (without providing a picture of the alleged flaw).
If I bought a knife and wasn't happy with it, I would have asked for a refund in my very first communication. I would have made it very clear what I needed to be made happy. I don't get any satisfaction from lecturing or complaining.
Just my opinions based on my reading of this thread.
Not to make this thread longer but some advice. If your not happy with a trade or purchase. In first communication detail issues,if possible provide pictures, then state what you want done to resolve it ex. I would like to return for a refund. Try to keep it short and to the point. Try to avoid unnecessary insults or accusations. Don't be in a hurry to leave itrader feedback. You can start a thread here or imo consult a moderator first for advice
Killgar- messages are 100% accurate and so are the conclusions you have drawn.
After I offered the refund and he rejected my proposal I pretty much gave up any hope it could be settled. Like you said, some people are satisfied by complaining (or words to that effect).
A few simple observations:
-the OP created this thread to trash my reputation,and didn't tell me beforehand or after
-OP never provided any kind of evidence of his claims
-OP failed to mention that I offered to refund his $$
-OP hasn't posted in thread since creating it
Hmmmm...
-the OP created this thread to trash my reputation,and didn't tell me beforehand or after
-OP never provided any kind of evidence of his claims
-OP failed to mention that I offered to refund his $$
-OP hasn't posted in thread since creating it
Hmmmm...