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Jungle Killer

Discussion in 'Himalayan Imports' started by munk, Mar 30, 2006.

  1. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    What weighs 2lbs, is only 16.5" long, and thinks it can outchop a khuk?
    Jungle Killer from India.

    I have a proto type from Yangdu. It had rust, (you dont think she'd send me a good one, do you???!!!) a slightly uneven finish, and the worst handle I've ever seen on a HI product.

    Still, I like it. I spent some of yesterday afternoon trying to modify the handle enough so I could chop with it and not tear up the skin on my fingers.
    This one is by Murali, the first I've ever seen by him. The edge appears to be solid, and is sharp. But the finger grooves he put in the handle were deep and not ergonomic to any known humanoid I know of. Even Carter did not like it.

    Now, when you really want to fix something, popping the pins off the chiruwa handle, removing the halves, and then reforming the metal handle would be best. But I have no pins handy, and I wanted to chop as soon as possible.
    So I painstakingly attempted to remove both metal and wood with a belt sander, a rotary drill bit, and a file. This is a very silly thing to do. It will take me a long time to remove the marrs in the metal. The good thing about this system is you can keep removing material until the handle feels right. Course, you could do that with the handle off if you had a temporary screw to hold them on. Which intrigued me: would a screw handle hold on a high tension tool like this?

    More in a few minutes.

    The problem with the handle is it is FAT on the bottom, tapers in the middle, and only swells out slightly towards the bolster. If you don't know why this would be a problem, imagine your pinkie having to cover more material in the grip than your middle or index fingers: the exact opposite of the natural grip. I kept looking at it and wonder what I should do. Rather than just grind the thing to suit, I wanted to leave as much of this design intact as possible because I thought the maker might have a reason for it, that might be revealed while chopping. In the light chopping Carter and I tried yesterday, we both agreed it was a no go. Today I have the handle reduced enough to try again.

    I was ready to show a before, during and after photos of the handle work. Unfortunately, cameras work best with the DIGITAL card still inside of them instead of hooked onto your computer in the house. All the initial work is lost, I can't show it to you. But I do have some before and after picts. A light coating of furniture oil was sufficient to restore the color from the fine wood handle.
    The tag on the wood said; 'satishal', and I don't know if that's a mispell of a common HI wood choice or the name of Jungle KIller in another language. Yangdu will weigh in and tell us.

    munk
     
  2. ferguson

    ferguson

    Feb 21, 2001
    Now that's just plain mean starting a thread like this with no pics. ;)

    Steve
     
  3. DannyinJapan

    DannyinJapan

    Oct 9, 2003
    sorry for the wait...
     

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  4. DannyinJapan

    DannyinJapan

    Oct 9, 2003
    and some more...
     

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  5. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    We see some of the rust, and the most God Awful cho I've seen....

    But you see what I mean about likability? This is a massive, vegitation attacking tool. Yangdu mentioned the cho had to go, and we will hopefully together decide what we would like to see in future handles.

    The second series of photos shows my progress in reducing the handle finger grooves. I was not satisfied with that progress, and did some more late last night. I do my worst work late at night with poor lighting, the family in bed, and me trying to hide the sounds of the rotary bit.

    We also see some thick laha or fill. I suspect the metal handle was not flush and the wood handle halfs did not meet square. That's the grey stuff you see.

    I need to get one of those small rotary tools, instead of my big half inch Hole Hawg. It would be a lot easier to clean up the metal if I could get in there. All of this goes to show that removing the halves might have been best. But, at least today I'll be able to chop and post those photos soon.
    munk
     
  6. Fiddleback

    Fiddleback Knifemaker Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Oct 19, 2005
    Looks like a big honking cutter to me. Hope your handle work turns out good. I did my Chiruwa AK like that with no troubles, but its a user, and I was putting a matte finish on the metal anyway.
     
  7. Spectre

    Spectre

    Nov 3, 1998
    Omigod. It's like a bowie...set to malformed, or something.

    I've seen a LOT of new, cool stuff from HI recently. Like, about 6 different new or rare models I really, REALLY want.

    This would not appear to be one of them. Hopefully it feels better than it looks.

    John
     
  8. cliff355

    cliff355

    Apr 19, 2003
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  9. ferguson

    ferguson

    Feb 21, 2001
    Munk,
    The easiest way to redo those finger grooves would be with a sanding drum.

    [​IMG]

    You can get them at most any hardware store.

    Non-powered way would be with a half-round file, then sandpaper wrapped around a dowel.

    What a chopper! Not the usual sexy, graceful HI offering though.

    Steve

    Edit: Love the Munklets!
     
  10. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    I don't like the handle but I like the weight versus size.
     
  11. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    I thought about that, Steve, and making my own. It's going to have to be a drum only a little larger than a pencil. Maybe a marks-a-lot size. They make those? Last night I was using a fat pencil with a sandpaper wrap. I have a couple photos of the metal partially cleaned and the fingergrooves further reduced.

    Seriously, though, I need to get a dremel.

    I realize on a forum known for beautiful, custom, homemade work my...metal is looking a little severe...


    munk
     
  12. JimmyJimenez

    JimmyJimenez

    580
    Sep 30, 2005
    From strictly my collector's point of view, and though I find it to be a visually ugly as all get out piece, I find it to have beauty in the fact that it's a prototype. The fact that it may even be a one of a kind prototype, only adds to that desirability.

    Of course if it had been in my hands, it would only have received a bit of cleaning (careful rust removing), and a new custom made display case ;)

    But as always, different strokes for different folks :)
     
  13. lefthandblack

    lefthandblack

    756
    Jan 22, 2004
    Man, that thing is a a brute! I would really like to see a handle without the finger grooves, a little longer, but still chiruwa and maybe slightly less of an upswept point. Interesting though.
     
  14. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    I don't know about careful, but the rust is off, with the exception of the blem marks on the brass bolster from the same water contamination.

    There is no point in re-finishing the handle until I'm certain I've removed all the metal and wood I'm going to.


    munk
     
  15. ferguson

    ferguson

    Feb 21, 2001
    Munk,
    I've made rotary sanders by taking a round metal piece, maybe a long 3/8" bolt with the head cut off, and cutting a slot with a hacksaw in it. Start at the end and cut a slot about 2" long. Then insert a strip of sandpaper or emery cloth into the slot and wind it off. As the paper gets worn, tear off a little bit to expose fresh paper.

    [​IMG]
     

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  16. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    That's a good idea, Steve. I tried some more work this am, and was smart enough to use 220 grit instead of 330, but it is still a long process by hand.

    Until I chop, though, I'm stopping.

    For those of you who think the Jungle Killer is not a flattering tool: tenative results last night with an unimproved handle show that it is a very good chopping machine. It's snowing here now. Weather permitting, I'll go back out there and chop.

    More picts later.

    Please don't give up on Jungle Killer yet!! Beauty is as Beauty does.


    munk
     
  17. Krull

    Krull

    867
    Aug 18, 2005
    Contankerous lookin' bugger no? I vote we dub it the rhino :D now....I'd take all but one of those finger grooves off.
     
  18. Ad Astra

    Ad Astra

    Jul 30, 2004
    Nice report, munk. It has potential.

    Can be tweaked by your & everybody's input....

    Jungle Killer, eh? What I really need is an HI boarding cutlass or falcata, villager-style, hold the Gods <sigh>.

    The tip of it, in profile, DOES look like a Rhino's Nose....that, and it's stout.

    Mike
     
  19. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    For some reason I cannot express, "Rhino" seems to fit.
     
  20. Astrodada

    Astrodada

    Sep 9, 2005
    Rhino does sound right. :thumbup:
     

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