Just Asking. What’s Up With Everything “Bushcraft” Nowadays?

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They are not wrong though. You didn't make a case against it.

Knife design and geometry are both more important than steel choice provided you are using an adequate steel to begin with and not unknown

There's a reason why companies are starting to make and sell "Bushcraft" knives in a variety of steels like 3V and S35vn. Steel choice isn't perhaps the most important, that's true. However, if I have a choice of which knives to take with me camping*, why wouldn't I pick the steel that's going to stay sharper longer, and be less susceptible to things like rust or surface oxidation? Make no mistake, I love 1095, but virtually all of my camping fixed blades are in D3V, because why not?



* And let's be real, you always have a choice.
 
That is just silly. You are basically just saying any knife can be used to accomplish "bushcraft" tasks to some degree. I see what youre saying but that same logic would mean:

Any knife is a filet knife.
Any knife is a skinning knife.
Any knife is a chef knife.

I mean sure, any knife can be used for anything but you are intentionally just muddying the waters to rail against the term bushcraft which has offended you for some odd reason.

Any knife is not a Bushcraft knife just like any knife is not a filet knife. Can it be used for such sure. I can dress up like a pig and oink like a pig but it doesn't make me a pig.
You took the bait ;)
You are never going to convince some people. Your energy is best spent on something else, like practicing bushcraft with your favorite knife.
 
I think I agree perfectly with the position posted by Steely_Gunz Steely_Gunz in his first post so I won't rehash that.

There are a lot of things about knife marketing that I find comical (ridiculous)....the "bushcraft" term/fad one of them.

Equally comical though, are all the people that practice such craft with the notion that in the event of a societal collapse, they will simply wander into the wild with their knife and bugout bag and "live off the land" with their well practiced skills.

I've spent most of my 43 years hunting/fishing/gathering/roaming the wilds of Northern Michigan and western Montana. Fish and game are becoming more and more scarce every year, while the pursuit of and competion for said fish/game increases every year. Now imagine if every single person in this country was forced to do that out of necessity. Anyone with half a brain can draw the next logical conclusions.

I love (most) knives. People should just enjoy their knives as they see fit and not take the subject too seriously beyond that. (Probably) No one's life is actually at stake over a knife style or type of use.
The bolded part is very true.

I am in the ocean quite a bit, and many species are extremely depleted. Combined with the staggering amount of trash, the resources are just not there anymore.
 
The bolded part is very true.

I am in the ocean quite a bit, and many species are extremely depleted. Combined with the staggering amount of trash, the resources are just not there anymore.
It is not a stretch, then, to have an impending sense of doom based on this perception.
 
This is so accurate. The population of the planet today is many times higher than it was even back in the 30s.

Where do all these people think they are going to go and "live off the land"?

I think making fire reliably is a great useful skill in case of collapse, as obtaining clean drinking water or navigating. But 99% of what "bushcraft" entails are things we simply do for fun, and realistically unless you truly live off in the middle of nowhere are not going to help.

Time would be better spent learning other skills if societal collapse is what you are worried about.

I agree, unless you have a good amount of land, you aren't going to "live of the land."

My sister has 800 acres of farm land in west Texas. My cousin has 7 acres with chickens, rabbits, and sheep. They can "survive" if need be.
 
It is not a stretch, then, to have an impending sense of doom based on this perception.
It's never a stretch. In fact, it seems to be our default tendency and preferred way of thinking, most of the time. But there are plenty of objective facts that counter the doom cult, and the reality is that many, many things are better across the globe than they were a century ago..

But we digress from the main topic - I blame Ray Mears for all of it. 😂

I don't think that thick "Scandi" knives are the best choice in an all-around outdoors knife (notice I didn't say the "B" word...). They do some things very well, but that comes at the expense of other things - just like most items that become too specialized in design. I'm also tired of the overused "B" word in general, as it can mean so many different things, to different people, in different contexts/environments, that I'd much rather just call it what it is - an outdoors knife. This may mean sitting around and carving, or it may mean dressing out a deer, or processing kindling or cutting up a trailside lunch. If you're only going to focus one doing one of those things while outdoors, then there are specific designs that will excel - for some, carving is most important and they don't even consider game processing, while for others the exact opposite is true. Some don't baton, others do. A good general outdoors knife if you live in the Sonoran Desert would likely be quite different than the best choice if you are in northern Boreal Forest, as the needs in those environments differ significantly. There is no singular application nor definition of the "B" word in my experience, even though most mistakenly assume we're all talking about the same thing.
 
That is just silly. You are basically just saying any knife can be used to accomplish "bushcraft" tasks to some degree. I see what youre saying but that same logic would mean:

Any knife is a filet knife.
Any knife is a skinning knife.
Any knife is a chef knife.

I mean sure, any knife can be used for anything but you are intentionally just muddying the waters to rail against the term bushcraft which has offended you for some odd reason.

Any knife is not a Bushcraft knife just like any knife is not a filet knife. Can it be used for such sure. I can dress up like a pig and oink like a pig but it doesn't make me a pig.
Before Ray Mears and the Woodlore came along, the term "bushcraft knife" as we know it didn't even really exist......
Any knife is a filet knife. I've seen guys filet fish with a kukri just as quickly as with a purpose built filet knife.
Skinning knife? A purpose built blade for professional butcher types that is made to skin an animal quickly and efficiently but has little use elsewhere. Made for one single purpose......but any knife can do it. You can skin a deer with a kabar, a pen knife, a silver dollar, or a golf ball for that matter...How many guys carry anything more than a Buck 110 or a something similar when hunting? Why is that? Because any knife can be used a skinning knife...
Chef knife? There are many different types of "chef knives", each designed to do a specific job. Again, most any decent knife is capable of doing "that job".
You can't acquire a skillset by buying the latest bestest bushcraft gizmo made from the latest steel of the week. However, anybody with a bit of knowledge can accomplish much with a simple blade made of carbon steel. Its been done that way for millenia.....Are you familiar with the Riddle of Steel? Its not the steel, its the hand that wields it that gives you the power to do things....
 
It's never a stretch. In fact, it seems to be our default tendency and preferred way of thinking, most of the time. But there are plenty of objective facts that counter the doom cult, and the reality is that many, many things are better across the globe than they were a century ago..

But we digress from the main topic - I blame Ray Mears for all of it. 😂

I don't think that thick "Scandi" knives are the best choice in an all-around outdoors knife (notice I didn't say the "B" word...). They do some things very well, but that comes at the expense of other things - just like most items that become too specialized in design. I'm also tired of the overused "B" word in general, as it can mean so many different things, to different people, in different contexts/environments, that I'd much rather just call it what it is - an outdoors knife. This may mean sitting around and carving, or it may mean dressing out a deer, or processing kindling or cutting up a trailside lunch. If you're only going to focus one doing one of those things while outdoors, then there are specific designs that will excel - for some, carving is most important and they don't even consider game processing, while for others the exact opposite is true. Some don't baton, others do. A good general outdoors knife if you live in the Sonoran Desert would likely be quite different than the best choice if you are in northern Boreal Forest, as the needs in those environments differ significantly. There is no singular application nor definition of the "B" word in my experience, even though most mistakenly assume we're all talking about the same thing.
C'mon, man, Bushcraft. Bushcraft. Bushcraft. I'm not afraid to say it.
Just as you can you any knife for Bushcraft, you can use a scandi for anything, not just carving. There is a member here that has photos of him dressing deer with a Mora. I think the 2mm Moras do better for general use, since they cut through food better.
I learned a lot about making fire from Bushcraft. For those who had their family show them these skills, wonderful, and I hope you pass it on. I didn't have this resource, so I am just thankful I learned it somewhere.
 
I don't think that thick "Scandi" knives are the best choice in an all-around outdoors knife (notice I didn't say the "B" word...). They do some things very well, but that comes at the expense of other things -
A scandi grind is best suited to a tall thin blade such as a leuku. The only thing a thick scandi knife might be good at is wood carving. Other than that they are pretty much crap.....I have what is deemed one of "the better ones", an Adventure Sworn classic, and it won't even slice vegetables without shredding them, even though its razor sharp..... ☹️
 
Just as you can you any knife for Bushcraft, you can use a scandi for anything, not just carving. There is a member here that has photos of him dressing deer with a Mora. I think the 2mm Moras do better for general use, since they cut through food better.
Respectfully, I think you missed my point. I never said you "can't do more than carve with a Scandi grind knife." I said that it's not going to be the best choice for an all-around outdoors knife, ime. Similarly, you can probably carve a cup with a FFG drop point hunter, but it's not going to be the best tool for that, either, while it will be excellent for game. Any time you get into more specialized designs, there are sacrifices to make. A good general outdoors knife avoids getting too specialized, imo.

Also, I was referring more to the modern trend of thick, lower-1/3 ("Scandi") knives that are trendy in bushcraft crowds. A Mora isn't thick - in general, I think lower-1/3 grinds work better on thinner stock knives, like Moras, some puukkos, etc.
I learned a lot about making fire from Bushcraft. For those who had their family show them these skills, wonderful, and I hope you pass it on. I didn't have this resource, so I am just thankful I learned it somewhere.
Great. That's awesome. And if you want to call that "bushcraft" then that's cool - you do you.
A scandi grind is best suited to a tall thin blade such as a leuku. The only thing a thick scandi knife might be good at is wood carving. Other than that they are pretty much crap.....I have what is deemed one of "the better ones", an Adventure Sworn classic, and it won't even slice vegetables without shredding them, even though its razor sharp..... ☹️
My experience exactly. And while it's been flogged to death, the whole term "Scandi" is pretty silly to begin with. I'll just leave it at that.
 
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It is not a stretch, then, to have an impending sense of doom based on this perception.
More of just the reality.

Most places have permits in place that are required to keep populations from depleting, such as deer, ducks, fish, etc. This is also true for trees and certain fauna.


Those resources are already low, so to imagine a bunch of people relying on them for sources of food, shelter, and medicine is just not feasible.

Having skill sets to utilize these resources will certainly help in the short term though. What knife is used will make itself apparent once people have to rely on edged tools. Humans tend to defer to what's easiest, robust, and serviceable when times are hard.
 
Humans tend to defer to what's easiest, robust, and serviceable when times are hard.
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Well despite the world turning into a dystopian free-for-all in three years, i guess. I still don't see the need for every Tom. Dick, Harry to HAVE to do bushcraft. Furthermore, and to be on actual topic, nearly any knife can do bushcraft well enough to work. Full disclosure, while I may come across to some in the thread as equal parts latte sipping elitist as well as having my head in the sand to all the awful things that are going to happen that can be evidentially mitigated by using antiquated techniques to live off the land, I grew up in rural indiana and still live here (never said I was a smart guy). I can do all the cool manly stuff. I can build traps and makes a fire from flint and steel, fish without a $400 rod and reel, not get too assbackwards lost in the woods using the position of sun, and track animals and know what they were, where they came from, and about how long ago it was etc. I don't really need a special knife for all that. That's the point of this thread. Not that bushcrafting isn't a valuable skillset. It's just not a NEEDED one and certainly doesn't need a special knife to craft one's bush for optimal survival despite what the manufacturer says.

For years in my youth, before I knew any better that it was the wrong tool for the job, I did pretty much everything with an antique Old Hickory butcher knife that my grandma got at a yard sale and my grandpa sharpened up for me. My buddies and I made shelters for fun and even camped in the woods a couple of nights, cut reed fishing poles for catching little blue gills down on the creek where the water collected into a pond (catch and release. Not eating creek fish when I could be home for pizza rolls in 10 minutes), we didn't have a flint and steel but we did have a ferro rod and even got a small fire started using a magnifying glass. All bushcrafting things of some degree. All done for fun using just that old worn out knife. 30 years later, and I still haven't NEEDED to use these skills. That's my point. I've accrued a lot more than that from hanging out here and learning from folks on this board over the last 20+ years, but it doesn't change the fact that it is not a crucial skill that I have staked my life upon.

YMMV
 
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