Oh, nope. It's not wiggling or anything. Sound must be coming from the KVT.
Well, I purchased a bunch of sharpies to try to see if it solves anything.
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Oh, nope. It's not wiggling or anything. Sound must be coming from the KVT.
Well, I purchased a bunch of sharpies to try to see if it solves anything.
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I've got a solution to your sore thumb if you're a righty. While your right hand is gripping the knife, slide the tip of your index finger into the opening between the lock bar and opposite side liner and pull back gently while supporting the back of the frame with your thumb. It easily disengages the lock bar. I've been doing this for a while with my 0560 and my index finger has not become sore.
That does work, but how do you retract your finger after that? The blade won't close because of the flipper, but when I remove my finger the knife just locks again due to slight pressure.
That does work, but how do you retract your finger after that? The blade won't close because of the flipper, but when I remove my finger the knife just locks again due to slight pressure.
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Fold the blade down with your left hand slowly, when you close the blade enough to get past the edge of the lock bar you can remove your finger and close the rest of the way. I do this all the time.
Oh, you meant with two hands.
Well, if my left hand is getting involved, I can close the blade entirely with one hand if I'm using my left hand. Ironically, I'm a right-hander, and my left hand is usually useless where strength is concerned. This is pretty much the first and only thing that my left hand can do that my right can't.
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Mine opens with the thumb stud just fine. Wish it didn't. If it opens with the thumb stud that means the detente is too weak to work exceptionally well with the flipper, which is the preferred method. I can do both, but have to really use good technique to get the flipper right, and a stronger detente would make it much easier.
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I've finally been able to use my thumb to disengage the lock, with some difficulty. Up to now I've just been rolling the knife over in my palm so that I could pull up on the lock bar with my index finger, which works pretty well on other knives too, after my thumb gets a little beat up.
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This thread has been interesting! I just got my 0561 3 weeks ago, and I have only used the thumbstud to open it, as I don't normally like flippers. And mine has always opened easy and smooth as silk, BUT I'm left handed. I never gave it any thought, but just now tried to open it with my right hand, using the stud and with my fingers coming around and touching the framelock at all, I virtually cannot open the knife.
Switch back to my left hand and ZING, easy as pie.
Switch back to my left hand and ZING, easy as pie.
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I can open my 561 with the studs or the flipper, but ill concede that the thumbstuds do take technique right handed. Left handed its too easy. Oh and I tried sharpie, doesn't have the same effectiveness as pencil lead IMHO. Worlds of difference.
How thick does the lead coating have to be? I've spent 5 minutes coloring, but it doesn't seem to be enough.
To all right-handers, how do you hold the blade such that your fingers aren't pressing on the lock when you want to close it? I can open and close it seamlessly with my left hand now (which as I mentioned above, is incredibly weak in comparison to my right) but I still struggle slightly with the right-hand one-handed closing.
It seems to be slightly counter-intuitive when I use my right hand. My thumb is pushing it this way <--- which makes my other 3 fingers want to push it ---> to support it, but doing so would cause them to add pressure on the lock. Yet, if I were to lower my fingers such that I only have about 1cm of grip and no fingers are on the lock, the knife doesn't seem stable enough to exert force with my thumb.
It seems to be slightly counter-intuitive when I use my right hand. My thumb is pushing it this way <--- which makes my other 3 fingers want to push it ---> to support it, but doing so would cause them to add pressure on the lock. Yet, if I were to lower my fingers such that I only have about 1cm of grip and no fingers are on the lock, the knife doesn't seem stable enough to exert force with my thumb.
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Close it with two hands (hold in left and push <--- with right) until the knife wears in, then you won't need the extra help when the lock face settles and one handed disengaging will be easy. It won't wear in it's self... gonna take thousand + opens and closes, at least my did. Guarantee you will see progress if your mindset takes the knife wearing in week by week; not day by day.
Oh, I'm under no illusion that it will magically just become broken in, but there has to be some measure of technique involved, doesn't there? I mean I thought it was impossible -- not hard -- to open my 561 using the thumbstuds until someone on these forums came along and was like "Take your fingers off the lock, and push the thumbstuds up, not out and around," and then *BAM* the knife came flying out. It hurt my thumb, but it came out.
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If you carry on the right side, tip down, like God intended......then you can hold the clip a bit to help take your fingers off the lock bar. Push up, not out. Every frame lock I have is the same way. When I bought my umnumzaan it came with pictures and directions showing how to do this. Many people cannot flip open an umnumzaan but I have no problems at all doing it.
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This. I'm sorry I wasn't more specific high king. You'll have to work it a bit. Mine was the same way, but when it starts working, you'll right away. Almost too easy to disengage, but thats what you want.
You misunderstand me, I *used* to have problems opening the knife. Now the problem is with closing it.
No problem. I'm just opening and closing it whenever I'm bored now.
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I know YOU got it, just stating for others. My lock is finally pretty smooth now. Took it apart and cleaned any lube off of it. Recoated it with sharpie and its 10 times better now. I wasnt getting a goot coating of sharpie cause of the lube on the tang and lockbar. I didnt think there was any there, but there was.
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No, the balls are completely captive and do not rattle.
The rattle comes from the free floating stop pin that the blade rests on in the closed position.