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I just got the commander in. I've read the posts about the quality control issues. And I must say that this knife has absolutnly NO problems at all! It's great.
 
I happen to think that the Commander is one of the geatest folders of all time, simply because of the "wave" feature, once you get used to it and good at it I believe you'll feel the same way I do.
As far as the Q.C. thing goes, bullsh!t !!!!!!
Donald ;)
 
I own two commanders plus the CQC7. Never had a problem with any of them. IF I had to depend on only ONE folder (I don't) it would be the Emmerson Commander, no question about it.

With practice, the Wave snaps the blade ready as fast (faster) than many autos I've seen. It can also be snapped out blade up or down depending on style and the need of the moment.

I will say that I've seen enough comments from other Forum members to acknowledge that Emmerson has had quality control and timely production problem in the past. Hopefully he has learned from the missteps.
 
IT'S AMAZING!
;)

Actually, no it's not.
It occurs to me that if all the people who bought Emersons and were HAPPY with them came into General and said so, two things would happen.

1. Nobody would be listening to the "nay-sayers" anymore"
2. General would have to be re-named, "The Emerson Appreciation Forum!

Glad you like your new Commander, now you'll need to start saving money for your waved CQC-7!
:D
 
I must admit I've had to do some adjusting on my Emersons to fix the "QC problems" but my opinion on that is if _I_ can fix it, and I'm not very mechanically skilled, then it probably ain't broken.

Enjoy your great new knife, and definitely follow Ken's advice. The waved 7 is great.
 
If Emerson knives did not have QC problems, why would people post here saying that they do? I mean, what would be the point of doing that? It's not like these QC problems are reported by people who can't afford an Emerson knife.
 
I'm not saying they haven't had problems in the past or present. But I've looked this knife over a million times in the past 12 hours I've had it, and I can not find one defect at all!!! :)
 
Yes, let's take a look at some of those threads where some poor soul has a complaint about Emerson Knives why don't we?

Here's one where someone comes in and bashes Emerson when it's not even the topic of conversation.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1322078#post1322078
OH! It's ROGUE SPEAR! What a coincidence!

Here's another one where someone gets rude and obnoxious about Emerson Quality:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1314977#post1314977
Whoops! It's Rogue Spear AGAIN!

Here's a guy who thinks that anything he doesn't like is a "problem" that Emerson has to fix or else there's something wrong with Emerson.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=909330#post909330
Dang! Another one by Rogue Spear.

Here's one where the company made changes according to customer input and because he doesn't agree, wants to know what's wrong with Emerson.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=908570#post908570
Oh my. Imagine that. Rogue Spear again. Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

I'll just go ahead and qoute this one.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1313624#post1313624
<b>"If you check this board you will find an alarming number of posts about bad QC on emerson knives. Emerson needs to realize that there are many great knives made by different manufacturers out on the market. The word is getting out that their QC sucks and their products are overpriced."</b>

Yes, you WILL find "an alarming number of posts about bad QC on Emerson Knives" and you'll also find that Rogue Spear himself is personally responsible for a very significant number of those posts!

Now the really bothersome part here, is that I only posted about half the Anti-Emerson posts I found from Rogue Spear. I didn't have to look very far, just a couple months back or so.

RS,
It has become painfully obvious that you are on a determined campaign to undermine and damage EKI as much as possible. EKI isn't the only manufacturer you seem to have targeted, and I have to wonder if perhaps you're just trying to look knowledgeable and build yourself up by tearing down a couple of great companies. (I won't mention the others and give you an excuse to bash them yet again.) Do you really imagine that all the people who own and love their Emerson knives and their XXXXXX brand knives are going to think you sound intelligent when you do this sort of endless ranting and raving about how they "suck" and how their QC "sucks?"

Any time a post comes up, "Should I Buy an Emerson or a Brand-X" you never miss the chance to go in and give the same old spiel that "Brand-X is your best bet because Emerson sucks" (paraphrased, but totally in the spirit of your posts.)

Any time someone says, "Hey, I got an Emerson and I have a question about it" you never miss the chance to go in and inform the poor unfortunate that they have been conned into buying a junk level knife.

Now everyone is entitled to an opinion, but what you're doing goes beyond stating your opinion and directly into making concerted attacks on a manufacturer. You're really not doing yourself any favors with this kind of behavior. No one's going to be impressed.

Maybe you bought one and it wasn't perfect. Maybe there were problems with it. This does not mean that the Company "sucks" or that their QC "sucks" it means you got a bad knife. Get over it.
One bad knife does not deserve God knows HOW many posts slamming every knife the company in question makes.

Okay, we get it.
You don't like Emerson knives.
You don't like XXXXXX knives.

You don't HAVE to like them.
You don't have to BUY them.
You also don't have to carry on a long term vendetta against a solid and reputable company.

You're not hurting EKI, you're just hurting yourself.

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bmcneil, Enjoy the Commander, there's nothing faster!

Ken, did you get the one that rouge_spear pointed out the review page that looked like it was written by a twelve year old. LOL

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116019

Or did you put up the ones where he was on the Emerson Forums wanting Four Inched Folder. I don't remember him bagging on EKI at that point. :D

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115467

BUT, when they did, he started talking smack again.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116047

John

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Ken Cook, Do you have a mental problem? Ken Cook, try using an economy of words to get your point across next time. There has been many Emerson knife owners who have pointed out the quality control problems long before I did. If you guys go and read through those links that are posted you will find many different knife owners who posted their problems on this board. Ken Cook are you going to deny that their are QC problems when so many different individuals have told us about their QC problems? Ken Cook you need to think and not react like an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
There are many guys who have posted Emerson QC problems on this board. Go run a search read the negative comments about Emerson QC by "OwenM", "jc", "mikemck", "Clayton Hufford", "el cid", "Jimmy Thach" ....etc.

So "John Hollister" & "Ken Cook" are you calling all of these guys liars????????
 
I have been surfing these forums for sometime and I finally had to join up just so I could post to this thread... This business with Emerson knives. There does seem to be a lot of personality involved in this discussion and a surprinsing amount of chilish behaviour and postings from one "RS". I have been collecting, using and training with knives for 18 years and I presently live in Kosovo working in Politics and Security as well as teaching defensive tactics etc... I have been in the field in war-torn countries for ten years - is this important? Yes... I have been forced to use a knife in defensive situations on numerous occasions - in real life. Out of my substantial collection of "tactical" knives, particularly folders, I have three Emersons. These are the knives I choose to carry. My favorite of the three (CQC7, SARK with sharpened tip and Commander) is the Commander. I hve no question that it is my favorite carry folder and that it will function when I need it - because it has. EVERY knife manufaturer AND maker will have some technical problems some of the time - no one is always perfect...But, when my life depends on it, Emerson has never let me down and I have no fear they will...
 
My 4 cents:

In all objectivity, I have heard many complain about Emerson knives, not just RS. I'm a little confused as to why he is being singled out for what appear to be well-documented reasons for disliking their product. If I purchased several different knives from a manufacturer and they left much to be desired, then I would think I had a good reason to be disillusioned with that company, also. And these forums are an appropriate venue to vent, but only if the subject arises. Many people come to these boards to find out about a knife's quality, thinking about purchasing a particular model, and 90% of the time, the product is highly recommended. But if someone has a bad experience with a specific knife, they will vent about it. As they should.

A perfect example is the Al Mar Sere 2000. For every ten or twelve people who rave about this knife, one warns against buying it, saying he had the dang thing close on him during a spine wack. Buyers should be aware of all viewpoints, not just favorable ones.

If it appears RS has superceded simple unfavorability and is just being slanderous, well, that is up to argument. The point, in my opinion, remains that many many here have been sceptical of Emerson's quality, and have said so in no light terms.
 
After reading all the positive (and negitive) things about Emmerson knives I decieded to take a leap of faith and buy a Commander. Out of the box fit and finish is comparable with knifes in the same price range and with some much lower priced. The blade only locked up with a great deal of effort but the instructions said there was a break in period.

The edge, well I can honestly say that I have picked up $1.98 counter knifes that had a better edge. After some deliberation I decieded that the chisel edge was best left to Japanese cooking knifes and wood chisels. Some work with the belt sander re-profiling it and a little work with a sharp maker and alls better.

The Wave, This is the best thing to hit knives since pocket clips, thumb studs and thumb holes, you simply just can't say enough about it. I think quite a few knives from other manufacturers would benifit greatly by adding this. Using this feature was all it took to start the break in process and solve the lock up issue.

I would have to say (based on my experience)that the Emmerson Commander is like a bottle of wine it seems to get better with age. To fully appreciat this knife it needs to be used. After a little ageing and tinkering I am quite happy.

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There is no man worth a leke,
Be he sturdy, be he meke,
But he bear a basilard.
 
I too wonder why someone would try to make it seem like RS was the only person complaining about Emerson knives. There are several people that have problems with Emerson knives, and I happen to be one of them.

The reason I complain about Emerson knives is that while the designs are great, the quality sucks, at least on the knives I have personally owned and the ones I have handled also. Add to this the fact that Emerson advertises the knives as "The number one hard use knives in the world", and it really disappoints when you get one in hand.

Maybe the SEAL teams do use them, and NASA also, but I can pretty much promise you they don't get the same knives I can buy in my local store, or even off of the internet.

I can only go by my experience with Emerson knives, and it's not good. I would love to see Benchmade or Spyderco or just about any other company allowed to use the wave. This is not going to happen though, because I feel certain Ernest Emerson knows just what would happen if other companies started putting out knives with the wave, at a much cheaper price with much higher quality.
 
Originally posted by mikemck
Maybe the SEAL teams do use them, and NASA also, but I can pretty much promise you they don't get the same knives I can buy in my local store, or even off of the internet.
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Exactly.
 
I ordered a knife from Fubar and it arrived promptly and the knife has absolutely nothing wrong with it!!! Surely that proves beyond any possible doubt that Fubar has never had any so-called "quality control problems." What's wrong with you people? Your petty vendetta against Fubar only proves that you're a ****load of mother****ing ****-eating ****ing jealous whiners. If all the satisfied customers of Fubar posted they would actually outnumber the ****ing whiners! What more proof could you ask for?

Please use a search-and-replace to replace "Fubar" with the name of whatever company the thread you happen to see this post in is about. Also please replace "quality control problems" with "customer relations" or "cheating their customers" or whatever seems appropriate in the context of this thread. No actual brain was involved in the typing of this post.

P.S. Replace "****" with "gosh-darn"
 
It's really unfair to single out Rogue Spear and pick on him for his point of view. I too have had negative experiences with Emerson knives. Do I hate them? No. Do I have something personal against Ernest Emerson? No. Do I make it a personal mission to stop people from buying them? No. I have bought not one, or two, but several Emerson knives was because I loved the designs. I have liked every design Emerson has come out with. Unfortunately for me, I ended up with several bad ones, which were enough to make me stop buying them. Now, If I hear favourable reviews on them and see that the QC is improved, I would consider otherwise. This is merely my point of view based on my personal experience.


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"If you get yours from heaven, don't waste them."
 
Originally posted by rogue_spear
Ken Cook, Do you have a mental problem?
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No, he's apparently tired of you doing what he described you were doing. Never missing an opportunity to bash EKI because you have a boner in your drawers for them.

Ken Cook, try using an economy of words to get your point across next time.
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Well, he could have just said, "R.S., YOU suck." But he didn't.

There has been many Emerson knife owners who have pointed out the quality control problems long before I did. If you guys go and read through those links that are posted you will find many different knife owners who posted their problems on this board.
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I have been critical of some things myself. But I have nine Production Folders and don't have a complaint about them.


Ken Cook are you going to deny that their are QC problems when so many different individuals have told us about their QC problems? Ken Cook you need to think and not react like an idiot!
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In this last quote, everyone can clearly see why you're wrong in the way you are trying to "warn" or "inform" people. In that, if the QC problems were corrected, you would STILL be on here saying the QC sucks ass because you don't like EKI.

SO EKI, no matter what it does, will never please you.
 
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