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Quote Gator97:
Interesting, that review and the webpage are mine
"Gator"
Sorry to hear that. I stand behind my "review" of your "review".
I own two Commanders and a BM 710. In certain situations, where speed is of the most importance, you simply cannot top the Commander wave. There is nothing better than being able to pull a folder out of your pocket and have it already opened. You simply cannot pull the 710, or any other folder, out of your pocket and open it as fast as a Commander.
The 710 is very well made (like my SERE 2000, or CQC 7 etc). But I will put my life in the hands of my Commander before any other folder(in situations where I have to have a pocket folder only).
In an emergency situation, folders have to be opened, which takes time. If you can cut that "time" out of the picture, you are in a superior position. That is what the wave gives you and no other can.
As a side note: When I first received my BM 710, I had to sharpen it as the blade arrived with the worse edge on any new knife I have ever received. Maybe this one just slipped through the cracks of QC.
The 710 is very well made (like my SERE 2000, or CQC 7 etc). But I will put my life in the hands of my Commander before any other folder(in situations where I have to have a pocket folder only).
In an emergency situation, folders have to be opened, which takes time. If you can cut that "time" out of the picture, you are in a superior position. That is what the wave gives you and no other can.
As a side note: When I first received my BM 710, I had to sharpen it as the blade arrived with the worse edge on any new knife I have ever received. Maybe this one just slipped through the cracks of QC.
mikemck: On a previous post, you mentioned "I know of at least one customer who did some serious damage to a Commander just by sticking it into a tire."
You forgot the most important part of the "tire situation". The fellow stuck the Commander into the steel belt of the tire.
You forgot the most important part of the "tire situation". The fellow stuck the Commander into the steel belt of the tire.
I have owned 2 710s when I was going through a reverse grip knife phase when I wanted my knives to be able to be flicked out in reverse grip. the 710s were well made knives, but I was wary of the fact that i had a lock that depended on springs. I dislike springs that I can not see and maintain. My glock has springs, but I can strip it and check for rust or wear, and I could not do that with the axis.
The axis lock is slick, but not as fast as a waved knife. If you like it better, fine, but you do tradeoff deployment speed. Thats a fact.
I have 2 commanders, 1 socfk and a psark. I recently sold my spearpoint socfk cause i needed cash not cause i wanted to. I also had a spearpoint cqc7 from a numbered run not part of the CN series. sold that one to pay for a gun class i needed for my ccw.
I've had good service from the knives I own and have never needed to send a knife back to be serviced.
I am more intrested in performance than in warantee. If the knife fails its my fingers or my life and that matters more than a warantee.
The axis lock is slick, but not as fast as a waved knife. If you like it better, fine, but you do tradeoff deployment speed. Thats a fact.
I have 2 commanders, 1 socfk and a psark. I recently sold my spearpoint socfk cause i needed cash not cause i wanted to. I also had a spearpoint cqc7 from a numbered run not part of the CN series. sold that one to pay for a gun class i needed for my ccw.
I've had good service from the knives I own and have never needed to send a knife back to be serviced.
I am more intrested in performance than in warantee. If the knife fails its my fingers or my life and that matters more than a warantee.
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Originally posted by Gator97
You could add "less than polite" here too, but probably you've missed that part while defending EKI
And everyone in here is extremely polite while they tear Emerson to shreds. There is a difference between being truly polite and being polite in words and still tearing someone apart with a smiley face attached. Isn't there?
Originally posted by Gator97:
ROFL. That was an interesting question, and a brilliant argument in defense of EKI QCHow can you doubt it, if Don buys it... Yeah, right. That is suposed to be very mature?
And this is also, "less than polite" as it paints a picture for some other people and you know nothing about my background. I've been buying the best [in their respective time frames, for example, the Spyderco Police Model Clipit at one time was the epitome of the Production Folder that could be used for Defensive Purposes, etc.] folders I could since about 1987 or 88. And I carried them on an incredibly dangerous job where I could not hope to obtain a Handgun Permit in this State.
I wish the Commander had been available earlier, as it is a fine Defensive Knife.
I do think I have "something to say" and I do think alot of my opinions are extremely valid, not for people that wish to whittle, but for people that carry knives for very specific reasons.
And yes, I do think my experience and opinion that stems from it counts more than the opinion of a poorly written article that has some statements in it that I still cannot decipher precisely because it was so poorly written.
That's not arrogance, that's the truth.
Yeah, O.K., let me try to decipher THAT.
It is not that I "can't stop buying them" per se, I may say that jokingly as some people say they are "addicted" to purchasing knives, be that as it may, I buy them for specific reasons. Not merely because I "worship them" or some other nonsense which appears to be what you are hinting at.
Emerson Knives, for some specific applications ARE in fact "better" than others. I can cite why they are better Defensive Folders, while many others simply spew nonsense about The Wave Opener being a "gimmick" or whatever they wish to type out.
I did in fact own several Benchmades and they served their purpose extremely well, until something blew them completely out of the water and that knife was a Commander.
Sorry...
Originally posted by Gator97:
And there always will be heretics(some with bad English) who will think that you and EKI are not the center of the universe anyways
I never claimed I was the center of anything Dude. Give me a break and stop trying to portray people as being egotistical when they're not.
Don't attempt to portray an experienced opinion on a subject in this manner. Hinting that it is arrogant or somehow claim the person is trying to be "the center of the universe."
And in my universe, language does in fact matter and you should avail yourself of online tutorials, Sir. The last two statements where you quoted me have the appearance of absolute, out of context, thrown in for some reason, gibberish.
The simple fact of the matter is, your "review" was poorly written and it had statements in it that made no sense.
If that offends you, instead of firing a broadside at the people who say that, brush up on your writing skills. Then YOU grow, don't you? Instead of bellyaching that people are pounding on you for piss-poor writing.
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Don, Ken, please!!!
Your passion in Emerson knives can be understandable and admirable but please, please don't try to make an idiot from someone who doesn't share it! Especially if he express his opinion honestly and justified. To share our opinions - this is the reason and purpose why we are meeting here, isn't it? To do it honestly, politely and justified, without hurting anyone who doesn't agree with us - this can make this place interesting and pleasant to visit, right?
I'm really surprised why Spark or David didn't close this thread yet.
Jayharley,
Opened and ready to use is not the same. You do not use your knife at the same moment and with the same grip you get it clear from the pocket and opened, right? You should regrip the handle, put knife into ready to use position, etc, etc, etc.
I'm really not sure that difference in opening speed between "wave" and another one hand opening devices - thumb stud, disk, hole, no matter what - could be essential enough to dominate knife choice over all other properties.
Your passion in Emerson knives can be understandable and admirable but please, please don't try to make an idiot from someone who doesn't share it! Especially if he express his opinion honestly and justified. To share our opinions - this is the reason and purpose why we are meeting here, isn't it? To do it honestly, politely and justified, without hurting anyone who doesn't agree with us - this can make this place interesting and pleasant to visit, right?
I'm really surprised why Spark or David didn't close this thread yet.
Jayharley,
Sure, especially if pulling your knife out of your pocket you do not need to open it
Opened and ready to use is not the same. You do not use your knife at the same moment and with the same grip you get it clear from the pocket and opened, right? You should regrip the handle, put knife into ready to use position, etc, etc, etc.
I'm really not sure that difference in opening speed between "wave" and another one hand opening devices - thumb stud, disk, hole, no matter what - could be essential enough to dominate knife choice over all other properties.
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Wait a minute, can you read?
LOOK. One more time...
If there were QC problems in the past and I did not have one mind you, just taking people at their word...
And the QC problems are OVER NOW.
How is it FAIR or an "HONEST OPINION" or "JUSTIFIED" to tell a person new to this Forum or new to EKI that they're JUNK?
Do you understand what I am saying?
That is the power of a Forum in the negative, to take business away from a Manufacturer for "past sins." Do you understand now what I have been trying to say about three of four times in this thread alone?
How much is enough?
To be "fair, honest and just," from CURRENT EVENTS, not things that happened months ago...one could say the following about EKI:
"The black finish wears off easily on the screws. I don't like chisel ground knives. I don't like liner locks. There was a problem with stop pin breakage a couple of weeks ago..."
Do you now see what I am talking about?
I'll tell you something friend, now I'll bash some company.
In my experience, from the knives I owned from Benchmade, I would rather have the screw finish wear off of a screw that was not CROSS-THREADED and STRIPPED at the Factory.
That was my experience with BM, YET, you do NOT see me starting threads about past history because I do not own currently Manufactured BMs except for their Balisongs.
I hope this clears it up.
Oh, I did not realize you could not do this with the #1 hard use knives in the world.
After I read that post, I took all of the knives I had on hand and stuck them into a steel belted radial tire, and while the blades did scratch, not even one chipped. And wonder of wonders, none were the #1 hard use knives in the world, either!
As for the rest of this, maybe Emerson has corrected any QC problems they had, but I'm surely not spending another $150-$220 to find out.
In any future threads on Emerson knives that I make the mistake of posting in, I will be sure to qualify all of my statements with the caveat that I cannot attest to the quality of knives currently leaving Emerson's factory.
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Well, I hope everybody feels better after this episode of primal scream therapy. It has served its purpose, whatever that was. Buh-Bye!
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