Just ordered a Ganzo g710

BOSS1 said:
Greetings,

I generally avoid these types of discussions, I'll probably regret chiming in on this one, but... damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

First and Foremost, as someone who's actually handled a Ganzo or two, I can tell you they're far from being junk. From a purely fit/finish/materials standpoint, their value is quite high. Whatever steel they're using in their blades (440 or otherwise), works quite well for the price point. A reprofiled Ganzo that would cleanly cut paper then cut about 25 ft. worth of cardboard, multiple plastic water bottles, and then was stabbed multiple times into wood, remained quite sharp afterward (maybe 95% as sharp as before). Is it 3V? Nope, but its hardly junko 'Surgical Stainless steel' either.

If you want to not purchase them on principle, I can totally understand and appreciate that. But they certainly aren't garbage either.

Here's a scenario: Take a knife owner/user. She/he goes out and builds a nice little collection...buys some nice Benchmades, Spydercos, ZT's, maybe even a CRK, Strider, Hinderer to top things off. Buys them all from reputable dealers, pays full price, tax, shipping, etc. For giggles, let's say they bought 7 of these. She/he is like 'Man, these are great knives! Love 'em! I'm going to pass these on to my kids someday!' Awesome, right.

Now, she/he happens to work in a very rough profession...concrete/construction/mechanics/maritime whatever, and he doesn't want to watch his $300 Strider or $100 Benchmade bounce across the deck or go 'splash' in deep blue water or get ground up working around rebar. He really likes his 'nice' knives, and while he uses them, he doesn't want to beat the living snot out of them at work.

So she/he goes looking for an inexpensive, quality replacement knife. Maybe she/he stumble across the Ganzo line, and one of their offerings fits his/her needs very, very well...better than the made in foreign country X, 'legit' cheap brand and their oval 'not a Spydie-hole' opening system that they might attach a 'not an Wave' zip-tie too. So they buy the Ganzo/etc. knife, their 8th, as a disposable/beater/work knife that if it goes snap or 'splash,' they're only out ~$25.

Keep in mind, they've spend hundreds, maybe 4-figures, buying on their 7 'nice' knives from legit dealers. Fully supported those manufacturers through their purchases.

Does buying that 8th beater knife from a maker like Ganzo make them a bad person?

Just some random thoughts. As I say, if you want to abstain from buying something like Ganzo on principle, totally cool with that. Just posing some 'Devil's Advocate' thoughts...

Cheers,
BOSS
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Even if they aren't garbage mechanically or material wise, they are garbage because they are knock off counterfeit garbage. Trying to legitimize it is pointless.
 
BOSS1 said:
Greetings,

I generally avoid these types of discussions, I'll probably regret chiming in on this one, but... damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

First and Foremost, as someone who's actually handled a Ganzo or two, I can tell you they're far from being junk. From a purely fit/finish/materials standpoint, their value is quite high. Whatever steel they're using in their blades (440 or otherwise), works quite well for the price point. A reprofiled Ganzo that would cleanly cut paper then cut about 25 ft. worth of cardboard, multiple plastic water bottles, and then was stabbed multiple times into wood, remained quite sharp afterward (maybe 95% as sharp as before). Is it 3V? Nope, but its hardly junko 'Surgical Stainless steel' either.

If you want to not purchase them on principle, I can totally understand and appreciate that. But they certainly aren't garbage either.

Here's a scenario: Take a knife owner/user. She/he goes out and builds a nice little collection...buys some nice Benchmades, Spydercos, ZT's, maybe even a CRK, Strider, Hinderer to top things off. Buys them all from reputable dealers, pays full price, tax, shipping, etc. For giggles, let's say they bought 7 of these. She/he is like 'Man, these are great knives! Love 'em! I'm going to pass these on to my kids someday!' Awesome, right.

Now, she/he happens to work in a very rough profession...concrete/construction/mechanics/maritime whatever, and he doesn't want to watch his $300 Strider or $100 Benchmade bounce across the deck or go 'splash' in deep blue water or get ground up working around rebar. He really likes his 'nice' knives, and while he uses them, he doesn't want to beat the living snot out of them at work.

So she/he goes looking for an inexpensive, quality replacement knife. Maybe she/he stumble across the Ganzo line, and one of their offerings fits his/her needs very, very well...better than the made in foreign country X, 'legit' cheap brand and their oval 'not a Spydie-hole' opening system that they might attach a 'not an Wave' zip-tie too. So they buy the Ganzo/etc. knife, their 8th, as a disposable/beater/work knife that if it goes snap or 'splash,' they're only out ~$25.

Keep in mind, they've spend hundreds, maybe 4-figures, buying on their 7 'nice' knives from legit dealers. Fully supported those manufacturers through their purchases.

Does buying that 8th beater knife from a maker like Ganzo make them a bad person?

Just some random thoughts. As I say, if you want to abstain from buying something like Ganzo on principle, totally cool with that. Just posing some 'Devil's Advocate' thoughts...

Cheers,
BOSS
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Hi Boss, I hope you don't regret chiming in because I respect your right to express an opinion. I was with you right up to the point of purchasing a Ganzo as a beater. See, from my viewpoint it's entirely valid to want a beater knife to protect your expensive knives from "Inglorious Usage", lol.

Where we differ is what's a good choice for a knife enthusiast to take on as a beater. There are so many good choices in the realm of inexpensive knives, that there's never a valid reason to support a manufacturer who engages in outright theft. Ontario, Byrd, Kershaw, some Enlans, some SamRenMus...all offer choices in the $25 range that don't include theft.

ALL knife enthusiasts should know better. Sadly, many don't and go to great lengths to rationalize their participation in theft.
 
BOSS1 said:
Greetings,

I generally avoid these types of discussions, I'll probably regret chiming in on this one, but... damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

First and Foremost, as someone who's actually handled a Ganzo or two, I can tell you they're far from being junk. From a purely fit/finish/materials standpoint, their value is quite high. Whatever steel they're using in their blades (440 or otherwise), works quite well for the price point. A reprofiled Ganzo that would cleanly cut paper then cut about 25 ft. worth of cardboard, multiple plastic water bottles, and then was stabbed multiple times into wood, remained quite sharp afterward (maybe 95% as sharp as before). Is it 3V? Nope, but its hardly junko 'Surgical Stainless steel' either.

If you want to not purchase them on principle, I can totally understand and appreciate that. But they certainly aren't garbage either.

Here's a scenario: Take a knife owner/user. She/he goes out and builds a nice little collection...buys some nice Benchmades, Spydercos, ZT's, maybe even a CRK, Strider, Hinderer to top things off. Buys them all from reputable dealers, pays full price, tax, shipping, etc. For giggles, let's say they bought 7 of these. She/he is like 'Man, these are great knives! Love 'em! I'm going to pass these on to my kids someday!' Awesome, right.

Now, she/he happens to work in a very rough profession...concrete/construction/mechanics/maritime whatever, and he doesn't want to watch his $300 Strider or $100 Benchmade bounce across the deck or go 'splash' in deep blue water or get ground up working around rebar. He really likes his 'nice' knives, and while he uses them, he doesn't want to beat the living snot out of them at work.

So she/he goes looking for an inexpensive, quality replacement knife. Maybe she/he stumble across the Ganzo line, and one of their offerings fits his/her needs very, very well...better than the made in foreign country X, 'legit' cheap brand and their oval 'not a Spydie-hole' opening system that they might attach a 'not an Wave' zip-tie too. So they buy the Ganzo/etc. knife, their 8th, as a disposable/beater/work knife that if it goes snap or 'splash,' they're only out ~$25.

Keep in mind, they've spend hundreds, maybe 4-figures, buying on their 7 'nice' knives from legit dealers. Fully supported those manufacturers through their purchases.

Does buying that 8th beater knife from a maker like Ganzo make them a bad person?

Just some random thoughts. As I say, if you want to abstain from buying something like Ganzo on principle, totally cool with that. Just posing some 'Devil's Advocate' thoughts...

Cheers,
BOSS
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If I saved the lives of seven really saintly people and then murdered one person who was really a jerk, even a criminal, but who wasn't threatening me, would it make me a bad person? Not really saying this is analogous to your question, more just making the point that you're wandering into philosophy and ethics that don't have that much to do with counterfeits and clones.
 
Guys, I see you are displeased with my posts. Sorry, I hadn't intention to make the advertisments for one brand.
There are many knives in my collection, such as: Morakniv, Gerber, Ontario Rat and I love them all.
I'm just fan of Ganzo. I'm posting such comments only because I really want people know more about not so well-known brands.
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PaulKnife7 said:
I'm just fan of Ganzo. I'm posting such comments only because I really want people know more about not so well-known brands. =
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1) Around here, Ganzo is well known, but in an infamous, rather than famous kinda way.
2) Wanting people to know about a product they didn't know about before is pretty much marketing/promoting that object. I think most here would rather that people not even know about Ganzo, and therefore not buy them, and only buy legitimate knives. Yes, it means your beloved Ganzo would not make sales nd would go out of business.... good riddance. Let 'em sink.

It looks like you do have some knives that are from real companies that don't scoff at our laws and undermine the livelihoods of those employed by real companies. Enjoy them. Those are knives to be proud of.
 
19-3ben said:
2) Wanting people to know about a product they didn't know about before is pretty much marketing/promoting that object.
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Yes, but it doesn't mean that the person doing it is employed by the company that makes that product. Everybody here talks about how great the knives they love are. Are they all marketing those knives?

PaulKnife7....how you have run afoul is by:

1) Repeatedly linking to a site that sells the knives you happen to like. First off, that is against the rules you agreed to follow when you signed up, and it also does raise suspicions that you may be associated with that site.

My advice....Stop doing that, and one problem solved.

2) You like Ganzo. Many, many here do not, because they feel Ganzo has a history of stealing other companies designs and technology. Those people don't like them...a lot. The owner of the site has set up rules against the promotion of counterfeits, and many feel Ganzo falls into that category. Others do not.

You are "fine" with Ganzo....others aren't. Nothing much you can do about that.
 
HappyDaddy said:
Just a coincidence that every post you've made on Bladeforums has been to shill for Ganzo? Please.
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Ya know HD, didn't realize this till you posted it!
Went and checked his previous posts and every one has a link to a Ganzo site.
Every post.
I reported a few of them, total shill.
No reason for him to be here.
Joe
 
There is no such thing as bad advertising. EVERY time a company is brought up it benefits that company. It doesn't matter if its pro or con. It puts the company on the map. People keep falling for this manipulation over and over. It is your participation that powers these titans of control. Con-troll = Trolling. The pc police should be along soon and shut everyone up because a company or kitty gets it's feelings hurt. Hopefully the serial participants read this and free themselves.
 
unklfranco said:
There is no such thing as bad advertising. EVERY time a company is brought up it benefits that company. It doesn't matter if its pro or con. It puts the company on the map. People keep falling for this manipulation over and over. It is your participation that powers these titans of control. Con-troll = Trolling. The pc police should be along soon and shut everyone up because a company or kitty gets it's feelings hurt. Hopefully the serial participants read this and free themselves.
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The old "All publicity is good publicity" saw. It's a fun truism and a great way to feel like you have it figured out, but it's also demonstrably false as more than one company has gone out of business because of bad publicity.
 
unklfranco said:
There is no such thing as bad advertising. EVERY time a company is brought up it benefits that company. It doesn't matter if its pro or con. It puts the company on the map. People keep falling for this manipulation over and over. It is your participation that powers these titans of control. Con-troll = Trolling. The pc police should be along soon and shut everyone up because a company or kitty gets it's feelings hurt. Hopefully the serial participants read this and free themselves.
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Thank goodness you are here to explain to us all that our opinions are merely the result of all of us being susceptible to mental manipulation. Hopefully you can share with us your, unbiased, unmanipulated take on the whole thing.

Sheesh. Somebody thinks a lot of himself.

People have strong feelings about Ganzo both ways. Some of those people are connected with Ganzo, some aren't, some are fine with Ganzo, some aren't, ... some don't care.

I have no doubt that all of those people have come to those opinions on their own, despite what unklfranco believes.

I know I have.

And who are the "pc police" here that you are all upset about?
 
marcinek said:
Thank goodness you are here to explain to us all that our opinions are merely the result of all of us being susceptible to mental manipulation. Hopefully you can share with us your, unbiased, unmanipulated take on the whole thing.

Sheesh. Somebody thinks a lot of himself.

People have strong feelings about Ganzo both ways. Some of those people are connected with Ganzo, some aren't, some are fine with Ganzo, some aren't, ... some don't care.

I have no doubt that all of those people have come to those opinions on their own, despite what unklfranco believes.

I know I have.

And who are the "pc police" here that you are all upset about?
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I have not been effected by the mind manipulation.........my tin foil hat is always on!!
Wish I knew what the hell a kitty's feelings getting hurt have to do with this thread.....I'm also really looking forward to the PC police showing up.
Guess what I'm saying is WTF is this looney toon talking about??
No clue.
Joe
 
palonej said:
I have not been effected by the mind manipulation.........
Guess what I'm saying is WTF is this looney toon talking about??
No clue.
Joe
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That's what they want you to think! :D

I just know that I came to a decision about Ganzo (and all the other knives I have opinions on) based on my experience and the experiences of people whose opinions I trust (i.e., many of the folks here).

Despite what our friend unklfranco believes/claims. :rolleyes:

(And, for the record I strongly do not support them. For their price point (and lower) one can easily get high quality knives that do not "borrow" the hard work of other folks in the industry. A maker's character matters to me.)
 
marcinek said:
That's what they want you to think! :D

I just know that I came to a decision about Ganzo (and all the other knives I have opinions on) based on my experience and the experiences of people whose opinions I trust (i.e., many of the folks here).

Despite what our friend unklfranco believes/claims. :rolleyes:

(And, for the record I strongly do not support them. For their price point (and lower) one can easily get high quality knives that do not "borrow" the hard work of other folks in the industry. A maker's character matters to me.)
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A maker's character matters to me, also. I like to think that is true of most members here on BF.com.

But, so does the knife's ergonomics. Design, workmanship and materials play a role, too. And, don't forget about customer service. All of these things play a role when I decide to purchase a new knife. As does the price-point. I hate to say it but, my wallet plays a huge role in what knives I own. I doubt that it is any different for most of our membership, including Ganzo supporters.

Personally, I don't find that many Ganzo products that interest me. I have only owned one of their knives and that one was given to me. I doubt if I will ever own another. I passed mine on to someone else in just a few days. That was my plan from the very beginning. I found the knife to be of decent quality for the price but it's ergonomics did not work for me. I have to admit, it did save me from buying the more expensive knife it was copied from. To me, that was a good thing.

If you don't want to support Ganzo, that's great. Don't do it. But please consider not supporting Ganzo without attacking the morals of your fellow forum members. Now, I am not saying that you do attack the morals of your fellow members, on the contrary, I don't think that you do. I am just using your comments as a base to write from. But, there are some here that do attack. We both know it to be true.

Remember, Ganzo products seem to be, for lack of a better term, gateway knives. There has to be a way to embrace new forum members that like gateway knives without going after their morals like a pack of rabid dogs. Even the owner of BF.com understands the need to recruit new membership.

I guess my question is, how do we welcome new members that enjoy Ganzo products (and the like) without acting like a bunch of piranha fish?
 
I guess my question is, how do we welcome new members that enjoy Ganzo products (and the like) without acting like a bunch of piranha fish?
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I believe that a close reading of the comments in this thread will, with very few exceptions, demonstrate a willingness to simply and politely explain, to those who may not know, why buying knives from companies like Ganzo is detrimental to the legitimate makers and the hobby in general. The people who get treated a bit more harshly are the ones who insist that there's nothing wrong with supporting design thieves.
 
HappyDaddy said:
I believe that a close reading of the comments in this thread will, with very few exceptions, demonstrate a willingness to simply and politely explain, to those who may not know, why buying knives from companies like Ganzo is detrimental to the legitimate makers and the hobby in general. The people who get treated a bit more harshly are the ones who insist that there's nothing wrong with supporting design thieves.
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My take also.
There are a few that beg to be attacked by the way they post however. We have one here who has posted links to purchase them in every post he's made.......not only in this thread.
I find when a true newb comes here posting about his new Ganzo, the members here will let him know how most of us feel without roasting him.
Just my observations.
Joe
 
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