Just saw this.....Bark River is no more?

I was going to say, it seems either Mike found a Chinese supplier that was out of the loop and didn’t know his history, or DLT was knowingly purchasing Chinese steel for him and allowing it to be misrepresented.
 
kreole said:
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$418 on smkw for that knife, ouch
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A straight hollow grind should have been the first red flag 🚩.
 
I had a few of their knives over the years but have since sold them. I have had personal correspondence with MS a few times & he always was informative & polite. I followed their FB group for quite a while. I unfollowed after the rusted Magnacut fiasco where he was blaming cross contamination due to the belts. Then why doesn't it happen to anyone else? That was too much for me. After hearing through the years about him mislabeling steels, it was that that broke the camel's back.
 
StuntDouble said:
I was going to say, it seems either Mike found a Chinese supplier that was out of the loop and didn’t know his history, or DLT was knowingly purchasing Chinese steel for him and allowing it to be misrepresented.
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More like DLT was buying steel from Niagara for Mike. Maybe, just maybe, that means the DLT exclusives actually are made with the steel they are marked with? No one knows except for BRK & DLT and I doubt we ever get the full truth. At least not once the lawyers circle the wagons.
 
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Bob, if you can help enlighten our members regarding this situation, please do. If you cannot for business or legal reasons, I understand. Not trying to put you on the spot, obviously. Hit me up by DM if you wish and I'll pass on anything you care to share.
 
DLT was purchasing steel from Niagara that was being sent directly to NJ Steel Baron or whoever was doing the water jetting and heat treatment.

I guarantee that anything happening was done behind the dealers back without any consideration of them being left holding the bag.

Mike has been robbing Peter to pay Paul for decades now.

Source: I worked at KSF & DLT from 2012-2020.
 
somber said:
DLT was purchasing steel from Niagara that was being sent directly to NJ Steel Baron or whoever was doing the water jetting and heat treatment.

I guarantee that anything happening was done behind the dealers back without any consideration of them being left holding the bag.

Mike has been robbing Peter to pay Paul for decades now.

Source: I worked at KSF & DLT from 2012-2020.
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Maybe I misread something earlier, but didn't the counterfeiting begin in 2019.

Like just as you were leaving? Maybe most of it happened after you left?
 
Delgadonine said:
Maybe I misread something earlier, but didn't the counterfeiting begin in 2019.

Like just as you were leaving? Maybe most of it happened after you left?
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2003 is when it began. I have a First Production Run Woodland I got in April 2004 that is marked A2. Try as I might, I can’t make it stain or rust.

Rumor is, It’s AUS-6.

I have a later First Production Run Bravo 1 that does stain so maybe after they got off the ground they actually used US materials and real A2 but, at kickoff they did not.
 
There should be an audit or examination by an outside auditor then if that is expected and if the majority of of workers didn’t know or those who did hid it. They owe to the employees, because until the answers are found, then wouldn’t the affected employees’ chances of finding new work be tarnished by the fallout? I was thinking that DLT could have been acquiring the special steels for exclusives for their name.
 
Mike was cash in advance, so he really wasn’t in a position to buy direct from NSM. DLT stepped in and bought the steel, which ultimately ended up at Mike’s shop.

DLT is solid, they were just trying to support one of their bigger brands.
 
cbach8tw said:
There should be an audit or examination by an outside auditor then if that is expected and if the majority of of workers didn’t know or those who did hid it. They owe to the employees, because until the answers are found, then wouldn’t the affected employees’ chances of finding new work be tarnished by the fallout?
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If the pics above were real, taking stickers off Chinese made kits and grinding them into bark river profiles... the employees would be complicit.
 
Delgadonine said:
Maybe I misread something earlier, but didn't the counterfeiting begin in 2019.

Like just as you were leaving? Maybe most of it happened after you left?
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I don’t know what to contend with here.

While I was employed at DLT, DLT was purchasing the steel and dictating the runs.

The steel DLT purchased was the steel they advertised.

BRK may have gone behind their back on some things but I find it hard to imagine they swapped 500 blanks of Cru-Wear Bravo 1s with something cheaper in order to double dip. I do not know what happened, but I know that Jason Thoune has enough money and makes enough profit to not need to steal or cut corners.

I left January 23, 2021 and was responsible for product creation.
 
Rupestris said:
2003 is when it began. I have a First Production Run Woodland I got in April 2004 that is marked A2. Try as I might, I can’t make it stain or rust.

Rumor is, It’s AUS-6.

I have a later First Production Run Bravo 1 that does stain so maybe after they got off the ground they actually used US materials and real A2 but, at kickoff they did not.
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Yep, I misread something.

Thank you for correcting me.
 
Has anyone seen the photos of the alleged Chinese steel? I’m seeing tonnes of claims and blames but haven’t seen the alleged
Photos yet
 
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