Just saw this.....Bark River is no more?

[Laima Forge]

Not to repeat the obvious, however, these screenshots are taken today (Eastern European time zone) by me on Facebook. Me personally I have one brk, the bravo 1.5 in cpm3v, which i got for my first ever pay check when I was 16 I think. It was 420 eur, but even before this scandal, the knife it self has so many fit and finish issues, that i did not see before I started making knives. I tried selling it like a year or 2 ago, I am glad it did not sell.

 

[J. Doyle]

Not to repeat the obvious, however, these screenshots are taken today (Eastern European time zone) by me on Facebook. Me personally I have one brk, the bravo 1.5 in cpm3v, which i got for my first ever pay check when I was 16 I think. It was 420 eur, but even before this scandal, the knife it self has so many fit and finish issues, that i did not see before I started making knives. I tried selling it like a year or 2 ago, I am glad it did not sell.
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I wasn't aware DLT was a supplier of steel. I wonder what the particulars of that statement means?

Does it mean DLT helped them procure steel because they couldn't get it on their own? Does this statement implicate how much DLT knew?

The comments by Mike seem like they might not age well by whats come to light in the last 48 hours and the hints by Mike of the announcement to come, which I'm extremely interested in now.

It'll be real interesting how all this shakes out out and to what extent some of the dealers were involved.

 

[Danny Linguini]

I think it would be interesting to hear how passionately a dealer is willing to remark that they cannot tell a $300 American knife from a $30 Chinese knife. For that reason alone it is still worth pursuing.

They’d have to open boxes and unsheath the knives, at the very least on a spot-check basis, which I don’t think they do without a good reason, though I admit I have no idea what kind of QC they have in place. And it would have to be done by somebody who knows what to look for, which I’d guess would be someone other than your run-of-the-mill order fillers.

 

[Laima Forge]

I wasn't aware DLT was a supplier of steel. I wonder what the particulars of that statement means?

Does it mean DLT helped them procure steel because they couldn't get it on their own? Does this statement implicate how much DLT knew?

The comments by Mike seem like they might not age well by whats come to light in the last 48 hours and the hints by Mike of the announcement to come, which I'm extremely interested in now.

It'll be real interesting how all this shakes out out and to what extent some of the dealers were involved.

Yeah reading these comments by him reminds me of the animation film ''Tangled'' cause that is exacly what he is getting in, tangled by his own actions...

 

[kylemiller]

They’d have to open boxes and unsheath the knives, at the very least on a spot-check basis, which I don’t think they do without a good reason, though I admit I have no idea what kind of QC they have in place. And it would have to be done by somebody who knows what to look for, which I’d guess would be someone other than your run-of-the-mill order fillers.

I understand it's not an easy undertaking that you wouldn't want to do with every vendor, but BRK is not a stranger to these types of accusations. For that to make up such a large part of the "New" section at these dealers for so long, I don't see how they wash their hands of it entirely. Would a jeweler be instantly let off the hook if they were selling fake diamonds and gold? "oh it was my vendor I didn't know". I mean, DLT was even providing a certain amount of steel to them, they had to know that things were in trouble to a degree.

 

[ferider]

I wasn't aware DLT was a supplier of steel. I wonder what the particulars of that statement means?

Does it mean DLT helped them procure steel because they couldn't get it on their own? Does this statement implicate how much DLT knew?

I was immediately wondering the same thing.

Then again, that's just Mike talking. I'm giving DLT a pass for now - they have never done me wrong and we just don't know enough. I'm guessing we'll hear more over time ....

Roland.

 

[Danny Linguini]

I understand it's not an easy undertaking that you wouldn't want to do with every vendor, but BRK is not a stranger to these types of accusations. For that to make up such a large part of the "New" section at these dealers for so long, I don't see how they wash their hands of it entirely. Would a jeweler be instantly let off the hook if they were selling fake diamonds and gold? "oh it was my vendor I didn't know". I mean, DLT was even providing a certain amount of steel to them, they had to know that things were in trouble to a degree.

It sounds like Stewart had his people take steps to mask the kits to hide the fact that they weren’t his own cut blanks. So I don’t know how easy (or difficult) it would be to make that kind of identification by eyeball. If DLT KNEW that there was a chance that BR was mis-labeling the steel, then they’d have a reason to check the product and have a good idea of what to look for. But it sounds like that practice was fairly recent, and BR did a pretty good job of keeping it all under wraps.

It’s easy to sit here and say ‘they should have known’; but by all accounts that I’ve seen, DLT is a stand-up company with too much to lose to be knowingly complicit in this kind of deception. Until I see something to suggest otherwise, I’m putting them in the group of other victims of this fraud.

 

[J. Doyle]

I was immediately wondering the same thing.

Then again, that's just Mike talking. I'm giving DLT a pass for now - they have never done me wrong and we just don't know enough. I'm guessing we'll hear more over time ....

Roland.

Agree. Hopefully my post came across as questions and not as definitive condemnation. Things will have to play out.

But the questions are raised.

 

[shinyedges]

Not to repeat the obvious, however, these screenshots are taken today (Eastern European time zone) by me on Facebook. Me personally I have one brk, the bravo 1.5 in cpm3v, which i got for my first ever pay check when I was 16 I think. It was 420 eur, but even before this scandal, the knife it self has so many fit and finish issues, that i did not see before I started making knives. I tried selling it like a year or 2 ago, I am glad it did not sell.
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Dlt supplying steel? This ought to be an interesting explanation. Since when does a dealer supply steel? That implication is wild, so dlt places orders for brk's, provides materials and br just works with what dlt provides? Like, a 3rd party shop just making the knives?

That makes zero sense.

I think dlt should respond, how will they assure customers their knives they purchase are in the correct steel? It's not a good look to ignore these monumental discrepancies and pretend you don't know what's going on and try to move the knives.

If dlt has any grace, it will be completely obliterated by brushing this under the rug and trying to move the knives quietly. Sometimes silence is deafening. Let's hope dlt comes clean on how they know the knives are correctly labeled. And what exactly their steps are to safeguard their customers.

 

[Laima Forge]

Dlt supplying steel? This ought to be an interesting explanation. Since when does a dealer supply steel? That implication is wild, so dlt places orders for brk's, provides materials and br just works with what dlt provides? Like, a 3rd party shop just making the knives?

As we say in Latvia...Tehnologia

 

[Burke]

Mike is an extremely active member of the DLT Facebook page (I thought he was an admin or mod but I just checked and as of this morning he is not, not sure if that means he got removed as one or if I’m misremembering) and any complaints about BRK on the DLT page got shut down immediately. I think DLT got screwed (they say they are owed hundreds of thousands of dollars in inventory) but I’ve also always thought the degree of complaints and issues they were happy to turn a blind eye to astounding.

 

[StuntDouble]

I wonder if DLT fronted the money for BRK to purchase the steels, or acted as a go around since it sounds like BRK owed everyone tons of money and likely couldn’t buy anything else on credit.

 

[DMG]

Does it really?? I had no idea, I apologize for seeming as if I was minimizing that or anything.

No need to apologize. If anything I was emphasizing your point.

 

[kyhunt]

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[kreole]

$418 on smkw for that knife, ouch

 

[somber]

I wonder if DLT fronted the money for BRK to purchase the steels, or acted as a go around since it sounds like BRK owed everyone tons of money and likely couldn’t buy anything else on credit.

Since 2019 DLT has been purchasing steel for BRK.

Mike doesn’t have the credit necessary to get steel on the arm, any more. At the time it was delaying production and DLT wanted more exotic steels such as Cru-Wear, etc.

Jason @ DLT functioned as an intermediary check book.

 

[shinyedges]

$418 on smkw for that knife, ouch

Holy smokes. If this is accurate, it taints the stock of all their dealers. No credible dealer could in good conscience sell that. The employees should come clean, and Mike needs to be charged with fraud. The only way to verify if that's true is someone from within own up, when that happens people are cooked. Dealers will be PISSED. Millions in stock of knives evaporating instantly.

 

[shinyedges]

Since 2019 DLT has been purchasing steel for BRK.

Mike doesn’t have the credit necessary to get steel on the arm, any more. At the time it was delaying production and DLT wanted more exotic steels such as Cru-Wear, etc.

Jason @ DLT functioned as an intermediary check book.

Circumventing the companies who black listed Mike? Ouch.

 

[Rupestris]

Yeah its odd, but go to DLT for example....134 pages, ~20 different knives per page, many of the thumbnail images open up a new window with 3 or 4 pages of variations or copies of the same variant of that particular knife. Is all that on the shelf or drop shipped from BRK when ordered?

DLT is only an hour drive from Escanaba.

 

[somber]

Circumventing the companies who black listed Mike? Ouch.

The companies knew, they only cared that they were finally getting paid by someone dependable with deep pockets like Jason.