Just saw this.....Bark River is no more?

[mitchnola]

Going by strictest legal definitions then, the number of "Made in USA" knives is very, very, very small.

But the legal definition isn't the practical definition and fortunately most people judge by the practical definition.

Good point, and in regards to my previous post, how often is the ftc conducting investigations on any product much less knives? Apparently it does happen though if it happened to ka-bar.

 

[Blues]

Good point, and in regards to my previous post, how often is the ftc conducting investigations on any product much less knives? Apparently it does happen though if it happened to ka-bar.

I don't remember, (if I even knew), what happened to them, but it's certainly not a priority. Most such laws are not stringently enforced absent a particular financial, ethical, safety, health or national security issue. Otherwise there wouldn't be anyone selling "Rolexes" and designer handbags on every corner in NYC. (At least when I still lived there.)

 

[DMG]

It’s either made in the USA or it isn’t.

Not exactly.
What if iron ore is mined in Canada and smelted in the US?
What if it is smelted in Canada and the iron is mixed with the other components of steel in the US?
What if it is made into steel in Canada then cut into blades and heat treated in the US?

The knife will still be made in the US because the materials underwent a substantial transformation in the US

 

[Glen Juntunen]

Not exactly.
What if iron ore is mined in Canada and smelted in the US?
What if it is smelted in Canada and the iron is mixed with the other components of steel in the US?
What if it is made into steel in Canada then cut into blades and heat treated in the US?

The knife will still be made in the US

Good questions.

 

[Blues]

Not exactly.
What if iron ore is mined in Canada and smelted in the US?

This may be the first time that "the one who smelt it dealt it" actually applies in the adult world.

 

[mitchnola]

Not exactly.
What if iron ore is mined in Canada and smelted in the US?
What if it is smelted in Canada and the iron is mixed with the other components of steel in the US?
What if it is made into steel in Canada then cut into blades and heat treated in the US?

The knife will still be made in the US

I think he’s right in the strictest sense of the law. Primarily because the steel is the foundational basis of a knife so according to the law it also must be sourced in the US.

However in reality and even in the law there’s a lot of grey area for interpretation etc. Not to mention it’s a law that’s rarely enforced as Blues just mentioned.

I think this is a situation where yall are both right. It’s not simply a black/white situation. It falls in the grey area that leaves a lot of room for subjectivity.

 

[DMG]

I think he’s right in the strictest sense of the law. Primarily because the steel is the foundational basis of a knife so according to the law it also must be sourced in the US.

However in reality and even in the law there’s a lot of grey area for interpretation etc. Not to mention it’s a law that’s rarely enforced as Blues just mentioned.

I think this is a situation where yall are both right. It’s not simply a black/white situation. It falls in the grey area that leaves a lot of room for objectivity.

I edited in the wording I was looking for. The material or part has to go through a substantial substantial transformation in the US

 

[Blues]

I think this is a situation where yall are both right. It’s not simply a black/white situation. It falls in the grey area that leaves a lot of room for objectivity.

Wouldn't it leave a lot of room for subjectivity, counselor?

 

[mitchnola]

I edited in the wording I was looking for. The material or part has to go through a substantial substantial transformation in the US

I edited in the right word. Subjectivity.

 

[mitchnola]

Wouldn't it leave a lot of room for subjectivity, counselor?

I caught my mistake, wasn’t quick enough on the edit. Lol

But in terms of bird law, the answer is yes!

 

[Glen Juntunen]

This may be the first time that "the one who smelt it dealt it" actually applies in the adult world.

That’s some high quality steel humor right there!

 

[mitchnola]

That’s some high quality steel humor right there!

100% made in the good old US of A!

 

[Blues]

I caught my mistake, wasn’t quick enough on the edit. Lol

But in terms of bird law, the answer is yes!

Which begs the question, Professor Audubon, what exactly is bird law? And no flight of fancy definitions, please.

 

[mitchnola]

Which begs the question, Professor Audubon, what exactly is bird law?

You would have to be a fan of Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia tv show to get the reference.

Btw, I meant ole, not old. I assure you it wasn’t a veiled dig.

 

[knarfeng]

Not exactly.
What if iron ore is mined in Canada and smelted in the US?
What if it is smelted in Canada and the iron is mixed with the other components of steel in the US?
What if it is made into steel in Canada then cut into blades and heat treated in the US?

The knife will still be made in the US because the materials underwent a substantial transformation in the US

Good questions.

Complying with the Made in USA Standard

Do you promote your products as “Made in the USA”? Under the law, some products must disclose U.S. content. For others, manufacturers and marketers who choose to make claims about the amount of U.S. content need to know about the FTC’s Made in USA Labeling Rule and Enforcement Policy Statement...

www.ftc.gov

Example: The silicon used in a microchip within a computer is an early input into a computer’s manufacture and is likely to constitute a very small portion of the final product’s total cost. On the other hand, the wood in a less complex product like a wooden table is a direct and significant input. Whether the wood in a table is imported would be a significant factor in evaluating whether the finished product is “all or virtually all” made in the U.S.

Like the silica in the above example, the cost of manufacturing the steel is much more than the cost of the ore. So ore can come from anywhere, but must be made into steel in the US, if the knife is to be marked "made in USA"

 

[Blues]

Ore what?


I'll show myself out. I'm getting punchy.


Frank, you have the conn.

 

[mitchnola]

Complying with the Made in USA Standard

Do you promote your products as “Made in the USA”? Under the law, some products must disclose U.S. content. For others, manufacturers and marketers who choose to make claims about the amount of U.S. content need to know about the FTC’s Made in USA Labeling Rule and Enforcement Policy Statement...

www.ftc.gov

Like the silica in the above example, the cost of manufacturing the steel is much more than the cost of the ore. So ore can come from anywhere, but must be made into steel in the US, if the knife is to be marked "made in USA"

I tell ya what, applying this standard to all the knives claimed to be made in the USA would cause havoc in the industry. We suddenly would have far less than we would like!

 

[DMG]

Ore what?


I'll show myself out. I'm getting punchy.


Frank, you have the conn.

Settle down buddy. My wife is wondering what I'm laughing about over here.

 

[Blues]

Settle down buddy. My wife is wondering what I'm laughing about over here.

I'm punch drunk from monitoring the thread, and I've only had one Scottish ale. I'll be back after a single malt or something to revive my senses.

Carry on. Frank will keep all of you on the straight and narrow until further notice.

 

[mitchnola]

I'm punch drunk from monitoring the thread, and I've only had one Scottish ale. I'll be back after a single malt or something to revive my senses.

Carry on. Frank will keep all of you on the straight narrow until further notice.

Before ya go neat or on the rocks?