Karambits?

Doug C said:
As an observer of this thread, I thought I might ask you what your training was ? :)

Doug
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Would you mind if I respond in PM? Or should I list it here for more amusement?

mctrinket said:
You would not notice a sidearm: it's called conceal carry. You don't notice it. That's the point! And if you pull a knife on someone with a CCW it may be the last thing you ever do.

I don't want to get involved in this thread. Good luck and good night.
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I already made statements for this situation. If he had a CCW he'd use it to begin the mugging. In which case I wouldn't retaliate. I would, however, notice a CCW if we were in a CQC situation. A holster is rather bulky regardless of size, unless it was a compact. Either way, it just boils down to the situation in which case, as stated again, this thread is not about and because of that I guess I shouldn't have attempted to defend myself and further this mess I apparently have made.


Thanks jc0228. I'm just interested in a karambit's style, like how people are interested in certain blade shapes, this thread was about that style. Wave or not, I didn't mean to make it out like I absolutely without a doubt needed a means to defend myself with in terms of weaponry, the thread just escalated to that point. Originally, I just wanted another karambit because I miss the one that's out getting work done. Anything equivalent to Emerson quality (like others that have stated Desperina, Weiland, 5.11, Cold Steel, etc.)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
For the benefit of the bystanders, at least, let me provide a few cliches:

The first rule of self-defense is, don't go there.
The second rule is, if you find yourself there, leave.
The third rule is, if they won't let you leave, fight your way out.

More important: training trumps technology.
Much more important: escalation never ends.
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Quoted, bolded for truth. Please keep this in mind. Also, is it absolutely necessary you carry a folding karambit? A small to mid-sized fixed blade would be the better option for SD/peace of mind, in my opinion.
 
Curtain Call,
You might not realize it right now, but the advice you're getting from these folks comes from a good place. It comes from a place of concern for their fellow man, for YOU, and it comes from a place of good and bad personal experiences. Heed their advice, read their words, and you won't make the same mistakes many of us have made and learned from.

If you have a genuine need for a SD blade, get training and perhaps you might want to rethink the whole idea of the kerambit blade to begin with, just because it's exotic and scary looking.
Perhaps instead have a look at the Emerson or other La Griffe fixed blade as a LAST resort NO OTHER way out SAVE your life type of SD weapon. You'll want something that does not need to be fumbled with/opened, and something that can be held onto easily even after the intense adrenalin dump you will experience in a life or death struggle (aka the only time you should consider taking out any SD weapon, knife or otherwise).

Good luck and stay safe.

The best advice I can give you, by far, based on what I've read in this thread so far, is a book recommendation.
Namely: The gift of fear by Gavin de Becker
 
Emanuel said:
Curtain Call,
You might not realize it right now, but the advice you're getting from these folks comes from a good place. It comes from a place of concern for their fellow man, for YOU, and it comes from a place of good and bad personal experiences. Heed their advice, read their words, and you won't make the same mistakes many of us have made and learned from.

If you have a genuine need for a SD blade, get training and perhaps you might want to rethink the whole idea of the kerambit blade to begin with, just because it's exotic and scary looking.
Perhaps instead have a look at the Emerson or other La Griffe fixed blade as a LAST resort NO OTHER way out SAVE your life type of SD weapon. You'll want something that does not need to be fumbled with/opened, and something that can be held onto easily even after the intense adrenalin dump you will experience in a life or death struggle (aka the only time you should consider taking out any SD weapon, knife or otherwise).

Good luck and stay safe.

The best advice I can give you, by far, based on what I've read in this thread so far, is a book recommendation.
Namely: The gift of fear by Gavin de Becker
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I understand and say my thanks. I have noted the "show for concern" several times. I have also noted, although without going into detail, that I do indeed know what am I doing (intelligence, experience, training, etc.), have indeed experienced times in which I have defended myself (although stating times with a blade has gotten me into this mess), and I have conceited this and maybe more (I don't plan on tracing my steps for 100% accuracy), along with repeating many other such things, like the intent of the thread, that seems to be getting overlooked in favor for some "Prac Tac" so that I may be "taught a lesson" but instead I feel like I'm getting trolled because I like the style of a karambit and would like a SD blade (and apparently should have stated every precautionary tag in existence when making a statement even close to hinting at that).

Thanks for showing the concern in a gentlemanly manner.
 
Curtain Call said:
If he had a CCW he'd use it to begin the mugging.
I would, however, notice a CCW if we were in a CQC situation.
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Not always, and not always.

As for knife, why not other curved blades?
They don't always have to be karambits:

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Not every knife in the picture is a karambit.;)

Civilian, Matriarch, Superhawk, La Griffe.

The new Matriarch 2 is nice from the looks of it, and there's a Little Matriarch coming out as well.
Or a Tasman Salt.
Or a Blackhawk Garra.
Or a Harpy.
 
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I love that on BladeForums in order to even be allowed to mention that you may under extenuating circumstances have to use a knife as a weapon you must provide 2 forms of government issued ID, two pay-stubs, a full work history, and of course a detailed martial arts resume...


Anyway, to answer OP's question, FOX makes a really nice karambit, that has the wave feature, licensed from Emerson. They are also a bit cheaper than Emersons.
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docbp87 said:
I love that on BladeForums in order to even be allowed to mention that you may under extenuating circumstances have to use a knife as a weapon you must provide 2 forms of government issued ID, two pay-stubs, a full work history, and of course a detailed martial arts resume...
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Well, doc, life and death is serious business. We don't worry too much about filling out government forms, but we do consider government interference. We also like to consider age and experience, which too few members coming here bother to tell us.

Prac Tac attracts the kids. Especially during the summer months. We don't want to encourage chest-puffing and street fights. So sometimes we jump in with assumptions that sound patronizing.

They are. We hate taking a chance on putting loaded or dangerous weapons in the hands of people who aren't experienced enough to do it right. So forgive us for worrying about you. We don't want to see you guys get hurt.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Well, doc, life and death is serious business. We don't worry too much about filling out government forms, but we do consider government interference. We also like to consider age and experience, which too few members coming here bother to tell us.

Prac Tac attracts the kids. Especially during the summer months. We don't want to encourage chest-puffing and street fights. So sometimes we jump in with assumptions that sound patronizing.

They are. We hate taking a chance on putting loaded or dangerous weapons in the hands of people who aren't experienced enough to do it right. So forgive us for worrying about you. We don't want to see you guys get hurt.
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The cause for concern was not stated well until posts like yours came into this thread. Before, this concern was brought up by putting my thread into "Prac Tac Inquisition" where I was asked questions and I answered them with short A, B, C answers when I could have (and by the looks of it, apparently was expected to) list the entirety of the Alphabet in ways to answer. I chose not to because this wasn't what the thread was supposed to be about, but it turned into a movie night for spectators of the thread via me being trolled, which is how it looked like to others as well, and not so much being advised.

If the argument had started with a post from you stating those cliches then there would have been no argument. But instead I got trolled about for a couple pages in hopes that I would be taught a lesson. Honestly, I hope that cautionary advice isn't synonymous to trolling on these forums.
 
Something to consider nobody has mentioned. When choosing a self-defense blade, a training version of it is basically mandatory. With you mentioning a martial arts background, I'm sure you can appreciate WHY. When you're nervous/ jacked up from adrenaline, you're fine motor skills go away and you revert to lizard brain. Your brain goes in to "fast reaction" mode. In this state of mind, it doesn't have time to develop motor programs...it just flips through existing motor programs and puts them to work. In other words, to be effective in this heightened state, you need to create muscle memory to efficiently react to a threat(because ACTING to prevent a threat is not always possible).

Emerson, being involved in edged weapons training, has a full line of trainer knives. I haven't found training knives for fox yet. You'd essentially have to sacrifice one to the grinder to get a knife with the same handling characteristics of your carry knife that's safe for training. Along with the trainer, I'd look in to a course or two you could take near you to give you both the legal and physical defense in a bad situation. They should go over things like, "nobody wins a knife fight", and "the most dangerous edged weapon is the one you never see". Keep in mind, a knife escalates things to "deadly force" when you deploy it. If you need to bring a knife to the fight, it should be used...not waved around. If there's not a need to use it, it should stay hidden away.
http://www.emersonknives.com/ekTrainingKnives.php

I got the 5.11 journeyman karambit when it was on supermegasale on lapolicegear, back when it was 154cm. I wouldn't recommend it. After taking it apart, the lock area is cut pretty rough and does not have very much engagement area. The emerson is a better design and better quality of construction. The emerson doesn't need a zip-tie or cutting to have a wave either. Sometimes the obvious answer is obvious because it's just flat out the best choice. Get the emerson.
 
I was waiting for the OP to mention armor plates in a briefcase...

I would second the recommendation about getting a trainer version if you are serious. Though I have a hard time taking some of the comments in this thread too seriously.

-Mb
 
I'm just gonna say that, I would assume of all the knife designs out there, that a karambit is the most user friendly to use for someone with absolutely zero training. If I had a karambit, which I don't, and I was forced to fight my way out, I would think of the karambit as an extension to my punch.

Fortunately, I make sure not to go to bad areas of town and have decent situational awareness. It's helped me thus far in avoiding altercations.
 
Curtain Call said:
I already made statements for this situation. If he had a CCW he'd use it to begin the mugging. In which case I wouldn't retaliate. I would, however, notice a CCW if we were in a CQC situation. A holster is rather bulky regardless of size, unless it was a compact.
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- Just wanted to point out some flaws in this line of thinking. Not everyone carries a gun in a holster, especially a criminal who may have to ditch their weapon quickly. Something like a J-Frame, Kahr or Glock 26/27 is very difficult to spot, even if the person is wearing a t-shirt. Not to mention that pocket carry is also a popular option. I think you'd be surprised to find out how many people CCW every day right around you without you noticing.

As for folding karambits, I don't think there is a better one out there than the Emerson Combat Karambit.
 
tokerblue said:
- Just wanted to point out some flaws in this line of thinking. Not everyone carries a gun in a holster, especially a criminal who may have to ditch their weapon quickly. Something like a J-Frame, Kahr or Glock 26/27 is very difficult to spot, even if the person is wearing a t-shirt. Not to mention that pocket carry is also a popular option. I think you'd be surprised to find out how many people CCW every day right around you without you noticing.

As for folding karambits, I don't think there is a better one out there than the Emerson Combat Karambit.
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I'm 6', 155 lbs and I carry a full-size 1911 in an IWB holster and you'd never know.
;)
 
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