Kershaw Camp 18 fail.

A.P.F. said:
I am afraid that I must agree with Quiet. Based upon what you wrote, Mrknot, you deceived Kershaw with a false claim, at least that is how it appears.
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There was no deception, as has already been clarified earlier in the thread (if you'd read it, but now you know), and the knife did not fail because of abuse or because of the concrete block, the damage at the tip from impact with the concrete block is just as expected. The knife failed due to weak metal (an inclusion or other such manufacturing flaw) in the belly of the blade and the Kershaw-Rep (who WAS told about the block against the tip) agreed that the knife should not have failed as seen. Even in such a low-re image, one can see the lack of significant damage on the edge around the break, certainly not the result of chopping a concrete block as many confused posters have indicated. The OP stated that he was chopping only brush with that section of blade, that only the TIP contacted the block. This knife is basically a lawnmower blade with a handle. If you really think that that is what is expected to happen with such a tool in use, you have extremely low expectations... I guess all the better for knife manufacturers with lifetime warranties! ;)
 
I came across this thread, be because I was looking into grabbing one of these, but I am not familiar with the Steel. I won't be getting one of these. May just go for a Condor or like from Baryonyx. With that, the comments in this thread from many the KAI faithful, is hilarious. Posters who will make fun of companies for demonstrating a machete's toughness by using them to break cinder blocks, scoff at the fact that in the real world, a blade being used could infact make contact with a cinder block. And this thing failed spectacularly. Although, the maker of this knife markets it as "the biggest zombie whacker" they make. Reminds me of that "Mall Ninja" term I hear thrown around on here, as well as the "crappy plastic handled machetes" term I have seen. Now not all plastic handle machetes are "crappy", but it seems for the "crappy" crown, we have found a front runner.
 
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Quiet said:
I'm sorry, what was that? I read your post just fine:



I missed the part where you disclosed to the Kershaw employee that you broke your Camp 18 due to carelessly swinging into some bushes and coming into contact with a cinder block. Frankly, if you expect an inexpensive $40 imported machete to be able to handle smashing into a cinder block without issue, that speaks to larger problems than lying by omission to companies in order so score a free replacement of an item you broke due to excessive abuse. Kershaw does not sell the Camp 18 for people to beat on rocks with it.

Some peoples' kids, indeed. :rolleyes:

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Any hard use machete should be able to take a lot more abuse then that.
 
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Quiet said:
I think you get it just fine. And here's the thing, as much of a cheap product as this is, maybe the guy's response would have been the exact same, who knows? "Hit a cinder block? Accidents happen, here's a new one!" Kershaw is a fantastic company, and one of my personal favorites.

But the OP here essentially just admitted to being just as dishonest as people who, say, misrepresent knives during a sale in the Exchange. And hell, we have a whole section for shaming those people. So, I don't know why you're posting and acting like it's some big mystery here that a guy who knew there was a possibility that he'd be told to pound if he disclosed the ACTUAL events that led to the blade breaking, carefully omitted that fact when explaining to the company rep what happened. I just don't like dishonesty, sorry.

Anyway, no skin off my nose. I just took note of this guy's username, so I know never to do any business with him on the Exchange. It's the end of the work day so I'm off for cigars and drinks with the boys. Later gents. :thumbup:
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Man, your being ridiculous. Seriously. A machete is designed to swing and hit things with. It is totally normal use to expect to hit the odd rock which is way harder then a concrete block. Why don't you go take your meds and stop posting.
 
Tachead01 said:
Any hard use machete should be able to take a lot more abuse then that.
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Tachead01 said:
Man, your being ridiculous. Seriously. A machete is designed to swing and hit things with. It is totally normal use to expect to hit the odd rock which is way harder then a concrete block. Why don't you go take your meds and stop posting.
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I'm sorry, what? Please show me where ANY machete documentation states "This should be able to swing into rocks and cinder blocks without breaking".

Your opinions are irrelevant, show me the facts, please. Thank you. Also, it's "you're", as in "you're wasting my time with your ignorance." SOMeone's on medication alright, but it's not me.
 
My Ontario machete looked like it was serrated from all the chips and dents from smacking into rocks. I used the thing to cut down trees, clear brush. And actually split a cinder block once.

Point is sure if the tip broke or chipped that's to be expected, but it shouldn't snap in half like that
 
Quiet said:
I'm sorry, what? Please show me where ANY machete documentation states "This should be able to swing into rocks and cinder blocks without breaking".

Your opinions are irrelevant, show me the facts, please. Thank you. Also, it's "you're", as in "you're wasting my time with your ignorance." SOMeone's on medication alright, but it's not me.
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I don't have any documentation, but if you're actually using a machete as a tool hitting rock is quite literally inevitable. That's why they're almost invariably made from spring steel and the Hrc is quite low.

Found a bit of documentation: http://www.fiddlebackforge.com/index.cfm/fiddleback-news-information/machete-hacks-part-1/
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I don't have any documentation, but if you're actually using a machete as a tool hitting rock is quite literally inevitable. That's why they're almost invariably made from spring steel and the Hrc is quite low.

Found a bit of documentation: http://www.fiddlebackforge.com/index.cfm/fiddleback-news-information/machete-hacks-part-1/
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I have cleared many a field fenceline with a machete, and have hit a few hard things in my time. I've hit rocks before, and dinged the edge of multiple machetes all to hell. My point is, this cheap Kershaw almost certainly wasn't made with hitting cinder blocks in mind. In fact, it looks to have been made as more of a general camp knife, than an actual machete. It probably chops wood quite well, but at its price, I wouldn't consider it something I'd beat on anything harder than that with. If we were talking about a Busse(kin)...well, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because we all know what they can do. But this $40 Chinesium Kershaw? I am unsurprised that it broke.

In any case, this is an old thread, and I've said my piece. I am not interested in getting a new argument started over an old topic. Kershaw took care of the OP, the situation is resolved.

P.S. Neat link, thanks. :thumbup:
 
Definitely weird that the blade broke there. Sometimes hitting a rock is gonna happen.
Kershaw CS is pretty great though!
 
I used my Kershaw Camp 14 to dice up a large pumpkin once and it didn't break.

True story.


















:p;):rolleyes:
 
bodog said:
I think it's kind of funny that it was mentioned that buying a condor machete would've been better seeing how there was a thread about a condor kukri breaking on wood not all that long ago.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-failure-on-8mm-thick-Condor-Heavy-Duty-Kukri!


Aaaannd a becker
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1132163-update-on-Jonny1280-s-broken-Camillius-BK9
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It's up to you, but I wouldn't try to clear grass along a fence line with a kukri or a BK9. Just don't think it would work very well.
 
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