Kershaw carabiner knife review

OregonEdge said:
God forbid someone should be disappointed with a Kershaw and not feel immediately GRACED by Kershaw's customer service... which frankly is a hassle.
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I think he mentioned he didn't bother sending it in, so I don't think that particular point is valid.

OregonEdge said:
let's all pile on a negative review.
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I believe there are negative reviews that are constructive/accepted, and there is outright trashing followed by snide remarks when people offer suggestions. As I said before OE, the manufacturer's sub-forums are usually frequented by fans of each particular brand, and a similar response/reaction would be had on any of them.

OregonEdge said:
he's entitled to be upset and post his frustration.
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Certainly. But after help and suggestions were offered, he continued on his rant. And they were offered. Not everybody flamed him, pehaps you should read and interpret the helpful comments as well.

OregonEdge said:
Rather, Pile on me for my opinion, because I couldn't care less. Even "ignore list" me for my opinion, or get me banned.
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Not a chance. I enjoy reading dissimilar opinions. It's what makes us unique. I happen to disagree with you, and that's okay too. I think your reaction was a little extreme in this case, but that's my opinion. Ignore you for this? Nah.

Rik
 
The review of this poor quality knife was accepted. You stated Kershaw was junk
in the 90's and still hold that same opinion of the knives today. That's not true. You
also said you'll never get another Kershaw again. That's also fine so why waste
your time reading or talking about them ? Generally a specific brand forum is dedicted
to people who like them or have questions about them.
 
DUDE! If you can't change your tone, i suggest you take a hike. I've had my issues in the past with Kershaw, but Thomas and the group here have ALWAYS been helpful and supportive. If you don't have that experience, it's because you're coming off as a jerk.

IMHO,

Brett
Stelth said:
SPXtrader:
It didn't take a year of use; I just put it aside after realizing what it was. As for the idea that I got a "lemon"; that's inaccurate. It's just poor design and execution. Something I would have avoided had I not bought it off the internet. Geez...some of you are really touchy. Do any of you have this particular model? I'll wager no one who's yet responded does. I've heard no counter-arguements refuting the facts I gave. Most responses are just "kershaw's great, your knife is just a bad one, blah blah, blah..."
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Stelth said:
Sorry if I pissed in your chili.
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No sorries. It was your own chili you took a wizz in.

Thomas offered to send you another (different) knife to see what kind of
quality products Kershaw has to offer. That's very generous of him.
That's just how he is and that is how he and Kershaw conduct business.

Personally, after the way you conducted yourself here, I wouldn't give
you a pot of chili to wizz in.

Go get your SAK, open a beer and have a splended day. :)

SV
 
OregonEdge said:
let's all pile on a negative review. God forbid someone should be disappointed with a Kershaw and not feel immediately GRACED by Kershaw's customer service... which frankly is a hassle. No one wants to buy something and have to wait for it to be repaired or replaced. Sometimes "Just send it in" and "since you can, what's your problem?" doesn't help. Yes, Kershaw has a quick response but he's entitled to be upset and post his frustration. If the Kershaw name is on the product it is fair game for review. China, Taiwan, USA, wherever. I thought This was an OPEN forum. (as long as forum rules aren't broken) Is there a separate Kershaw forum dictate?

Rather, Pile on me for my opinion, because I couldn't care less. Even "ignore list" me for my opinion, or get me banned. You guys are way to quick to jump all over people for being alittle emotional and upset. and the reaction of Kershaw on here just proves they shouldn't run a forum that's not hosted by their own site. It's overly biased and completely innappropriate in my view.

There, have fun with that ;)
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Not everybody was rude to him. He didn't even respond to the positive comments. He did not care if Thomas would send him a knife of his choice, for free. Maybe if I go to another sub forum and complain about their products someone will offer to send me a free product of my choice.......... right.

It seemed like he was mad at Kershaw and just came here to announce his feelings. No wonder he got no love. I don't feel sorry for him. As I said in my last post, I hope he has a nice life. Really.
 
OE, I don't think it was his review, it was his opening tone. When he totally ignored Thomas' magnanimous offer of replacement/exchange (or even a completely different knife!) ONE YEAR after purchase, it became apparent (to me, anyway) that he didn't come to this forum with a mind to resolve anything. While his gripe was legitimate, his inability to even consider Kershaw's extremely benevolent offer, did, IMHO, relegate him to troll status. I would never presume to enter the Spyderco or Busse or even CS forums with that chip on my shoulder.

I still think he should take Thomas up on his offer and tender us another review, maybe of a modern, USA-made Kershaw.
 
bdws1975 said:
DUDE! If you can't change your tone, i suggest you take a hike. I've had my issues in the past with Kershaw, but Thomas and the group here have ALWAYS been helpful and supportive. If you don't have that experience, it's because you're coming off as a jerk.

IMHO,

Brett
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OE, you got in a touchy situation with Kershaw and this forum before, you tried to get back on everyone's good side, and now you say what you said a few posts ago. i quote Brett because, IMO, this applies to you also. If you think we are so blasted sensitive and are a bunch of wusses (yes, "wuss" is my wording), then go someplace else. No point in you hanging around us when that is your opinion of us.

I was one of the first to comment to the OP. I was respectful and honest with him. I helped him in the way that i knew i could. Did he take that help? no. he continued on with his comments. I tried to give him the benifit of the doubt. later comments proved how stupid that was. how the heck you missed that i dont know.

so take brett's advice and either figure out what you think, or just plain get out.
 
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jesus man, you need to remove the pickle from your....well, you get it.

:D

OregonEdge said:
let's all pile on a negative review. God forbid someone should be disappointed with a Kershaw and not feel immediately GRACED by Kershaw's customer service... which frankly is a hassle. No one wants to buy something and have to wait for it to be repaired or replaced. Sometimes "Just send it in" and "since you can, what's your problem?" doesn't help. Yes, Kershaw has a quick response but he's entitled to be upset and post his frustration. If the Kershaw name is on the product it is fair game for review. China, Taiwan, USA, wherever. I thought This was an OPEN forum. (as long as forum rules aren't broken) Is there a separate Kershaw forum dictate?

Rather, Pile on me for my opinion, because I couldn't care less. Even "ignore list" me for my opinion, or get me banned. You guys are way to quick to jump all over people for being alittle emotional and upset. and the reaction of Kershaw on here just proves they shouldn't run a forum that's not hosted by their own site. It's overly biased and completely innappropriate in my view.

There, have fun with that ;)
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OregonEdge said:
let's all pile on a negative review. God forbid someone should be disappointed with a Kershaw and not feel immediately GRACED by Kershaw's customer service... which frankly is a hassle. No one wants to buy something and have to wait for it to be repaired or replaced. Sometimes "Just send it in" and "since you can, what's your problem?" doesn't help. Yes, Kershaw has a quick response but he's entitled to be upset and post his frustration. If the Kershaw name is on the product it is fair game for review. China, Taiwan, USA, wherever. I thought This was an OPEN forum. (as long as forum rules aren't broken) Is there a separate Kershaw forum dictate?

Rather, Pile on me for my opinion, because I couldn't care less. Even "ignore list" me for my opinion, or get me banned. You guys are way to quick to jump all over people for being alittle emotional and upset. and the reaction of Kershaw on here just proves they shouldn't run a forum that's not hosted by their own site. It's overly biased and completely innappropriate in my view.

There, have fun with that ;)
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There is a no problem with negative reviews at all, it has happened before and will happen again. Everything does not appeal to everyone, or meet their personal expectations, no big deal. BUT, there is no need to be an ass about it, how simple is that? I'm a low poster myself and pretty quiet overall and even I got irritated at the OP tone, there is simply no need or call for it. It is so simple to be a jerk on the internet, but what do you gain? Just post an honest review stating the problems you see and maybe some ideas for fixes, leave the attitude out of it. Noone will jump on that, and noone did the OP, it was the jerky attitude that got jumped on.

Some people I'm glad I'll only meet over the internet, they are bad enough there that I'm glad to never have to suffer them in person.
 
OE, I'm kind of at a loss for words right now. Why do you insist on stoking the fire rather than using your knowledge of knives and collecting to help smooth things out???? I don't know how old stelth is, but from the pictures I've seen of you, it's obvious that you are a full grown adult, and as such, try and help out rather than stir the hornets' nest.

Please
 
jonnymac44 said:
OE, I'm kind of at a loss for words right now. Why do you insist on stoking the fire rather than using your knowledge of knives and collecting to help smooth things out???? I don't know how old stelth is, but from the pictures I've seen of you, it's obvious that you are a full grown adult, and as such, try and help out rather than stir the hornets' nest.

Please
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According to his profile stelth's a Teacher. I was thinking a guy in his late teens or early twenties. I'd make a comment about this, but to quote Thumper: "If you can't say something nice... don't say nothing at all."
 
Seems to me this thread has become a testament to How GREAT Thomas and Kershaw really are! I wish more companies had A Thomas working behind the scenes.

Not many companies would offer the customer the chance to trade up for no extra $$$. How bout a new spec bump, or leek for your trouble?

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth! ( sorry TW!)

I doubt stealth even owned the named tool/ knife otherwise how could You refuse such a great offer?
 
sockeye said:
Seems to me this thread has become a testament to How GREAT Thomas and Kershaw really are! I wish more companies had A Thomas working behind the scenes.

Not many companies would offer the customer the chance to trade up for no extra $$$. How bout a new spec bump, or leek for your trouble?

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth! ( sorry TW!)

I doubt stealth even owned the named tool/ knife otherwise how could You refuse such a great offer?
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I concur sockeye. Thomas has gone above and beyond with his generosity.
 
jonnymac44 said:
OE, I'm kind of at a loss for words right now. Why do you insist on s the fire rather than using your knowledge of knives and collecting to help smooth things out???? I don't know how old stelth is, but from the pictures I've seen of you, it's obvious that you are a full grown , and as such, try and help out rather than stir the hornets' nest.

Please
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I agree OE , and I am saddened by your post and I really don't understand it. I guess I am just not that intellectual or whatever. I hope all is well with you, Truly.

Dave
 
I was browsing recent topics at EDCF a few minutes ago and look what I found...

http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=18820

Same guy, same type of thread. Note the last post where he somewhat grudgingly admits that if he'd paid $20 for it rather than $40 he wouldn't be so disappointed, but yet it's still a piece of junk. :rolleyes:

He posted there on 7/18, three days before this thread started. Maybe since he didn't get under anyone's skin over there he decided to come right to the lion's den, so to speak.

I am afraid, Stelth, that I can't lend much credence to anything else you'd have to say right now because your motivations seem rather crooked. Adios and, more importantly, kumbaya. :)
 
jujigatame said:
I was browsing recent topics at EDCF a few minutes ago and look what I found...

http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=18820

Same guy, same type of thread. Note the last post where he somewhat grudgingly admits that if he'd paid $20 for it rather than $40 he wouldn't be so disappointed, but yet it's still a piece of junk. :rolleyes:

He posted there on 7/18, three days before this thread started. Maybe since he didn't get under anyone's skin over there he decided to come right to the lion's den, so to speak.

I am afraid, Stelth, that I can't lend much credence to anything else you'd have to say right now because your motivations seem rather crooked. Adios and, more importantly, kumbaya. :)
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Juji,
Thanks for finding that and pointing it out.

Cheers,
Jon
 
FWIW, I was working at home today, and kept this post open and refreshed every 1/2 hour or so, and I noticed Stelth was looking at this post a few times, but didn't respond to anything. Made my mind up fairly quickly about what he was doing here in the first place. What's worse, it seems he has caused at least one person in the post that jujigatame pointed out to us away from buying Kershaw on his opinion alone.
OE was on a few times as well. I had hoped that reading some of the threads would elicit some sort of response from him, but he was only looking.
I think I am done with this post now. OE, don't stop posting in this sub-forum, just read all threads before responding the way you did. Just a suggestion.

Rik
 
jujigatame said:
I was browsing recent topics at EDCF a few minutes ago and look what I found...

http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=18820

Same guy, same type of thread. Note the last post where he somewhat grudgingly admits that if he'd paid $20 for it rather than $40 he wouldn't be so disappointed, but yet it's still a piece of junk. :rolleyes:

He posted there on 7/18, three days before this thread started. Maybe since he didn't get under anyone's skin over there he decided to come right to the lion's den, so to speak.

I am afraid, Stelth, that I can't lend much credence to anything else you'd have to say right now because your motivations seem rather crooked. Adios and, more importantly, kumbaya. :)
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Well, someone needs to link this thread to the edc forum. I'm sure they would like to see the troll in action, the more than generous offer from Thomas, and stelth's continued rant.

As for credibility here, stelth is right up there with a few other winners we've seen here in the past few months. Add up all of their credibility, and you get a number somewhere below zero.
 
I am done with the Kershaw forum, as I feel my objections always attract the same result here. Despite what you all say, there really isn't a receptive venue here to negative product review. Not REALLY. Credit to your passion for Kershaw, but if it was the inappropriate tone the original poster had, an appropriate response is to contact the administrator to have the post move to the "good bad and ugly" or complain. But if someone is feeling disappointed and emotional, they should be able to vent without the usual lectures. Maybe my fault is that it really just rubs me the wrong way to see 1 guy fighting against 5-6 diehards. Also, I don't agree with Thomas as a moderator. generous or not, My opinion is that if he is to run the forum it should be located someplace else. I love Kershaw knives and have had many giveaways. I just don't like what the forum has become. One last note regarding Thomas, who at one time had my "fan boy"-like support. He had always been very kind to me as a local here in Oregon. Heck my first Kershaw was given to me by my parents in 1981 and I still have it. A while back I posted a review of an SG2 JYD2 blade I had trouble with. There was NOTHING inflamatory about my review and I even admited that I had used the blade improperly and it was a learning experience. The email I received from Thomas was mind blowing. I won't post it, but let's just say that his rant was innapropriate, ESPECIALLY from a moderator. It never sat well with me and some of my discontent comes from that. I wish you all a good time here.
 
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