to whom it may concern : tonight , it was brought to my attention that a post in tactical forums .com on 9-11-01 under maddogknives regarding a knife that i had purchased some time ago from a well known and reputable dealer was listed as having been "stolen"by kevin mcclung aka "maddog". this is simplyby his own admission a false and slanderous remark meant to try and ruin my reputation . I DID NOT AT ANY TIME EVER STEAL THIS KNIFE!!!! I PURCHASED IT FROM A DEALER WHO IS WELL KNOWN THAT I CONSIDER TO BE EXTREMELY HONORABLE !!!!! the truth here folks is kevin mcclungs problem should be with whoever ordered the knife from him and did not pay him for it not with me !! if kevin mcclung is the tough guy , badass he wants people to think that he is well then why did he not "handle "the situation with his customer instead of trying to make me look like the "badguy" here to me folks this is why i have referred to him as being both a "weasel"and he is a "coward" for not taking up the issue with whoever "beat" him on ordering and not paying. those of you who know me know that i am honorable and truly ,a man of my word i invite those who question this to do a search on jaxurman you will see that i have a flawless reputation that i do things right and take care of my biz !!! I DO NOT CONDONE THIEVES !!! I AM NOT A THIEF !!! AND I DO NOT DEAL IN STOLEN PROPERTY !!!!FOR KEVIN TO IMPLY THIS KNIFE WAS STOLEN AND TO ATTACH MY NAME TO IT WAS WRONG !!!! IDID NOT STEAL HIS KNIFE !!!! i guess we must consider that these allegations and outright lies have been perpetrated by a "liar "he even lied to the navy backdooring knives that were supposed to have gone to the navy seals choosing instead to sell them to people at the great western gun show in l.a. cali. it is documented this has happened and can you believe this - he still feels he is a good guy !!!he chose money over providing equipment he promised to the military!!! he says " so as far as i am concerned , the knife was stolen from me " to which i reply i am able to provide proof that i did indeed buy it from the reputable dealer that i said i did i also have a witness who was there and not only saw the knife on the dealers table but saw me buy it as well his identity will be protected so as not to be harrased by anyone unneccesarily i tried to contact kevin about this but he has blocked me from his forum as well in his words "i am bannedfrom tactical forums "i have defended myself against his attacks on me so i have spoken against the "legend in his own mind " he wishes he could be as cool as spark but he is not he wishes his site could be as good as bladeforums but it is not he wishes his knives were as well made as those by walter brend , jim hammond , dave broadwell and the many others but they are not i thank those of you who have read this those guys ive traded with and to the moderators and to spark i post this to defend my good name only and to clarify that i had nothing to do with the theft of kevins knife i hate those who steal having myself been a victim but unlike kevin i had the heart to punish those responsible. he being the "scared little guy " he is chooses only to point fingers at those who had nothing to do with him not getting paid i bet kevin used to get beat up a lot as a kid the kids taking baby mcclungs lunch money hmmm i wonder . kevin i wish you were taller maybe then you would not suffer from the napoleon complex so tell me kevin did you go run and " tell"the teacher or did you take the ass whipping you so richly deserved ??? inquiring minds want to know ????
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It often happens that people are upset when they post on TGB&U and we can allow a little slack ... but it's unfortunate when a member is so upset when he writes a post that it isn't clear what he's upset about. Could you try that again and this time just explain what happened?
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I seem to recall that Mr McClung is unable to reply in this forum,if so,it would be unfair to continue this thread.
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Mad Dog has never posted on Bladeforums, but he would be welcome to.
jaxurman,
I usually mind my own business, however your onslaught has motivated me to reply. First let me address the fact that your post is rather hard to read, the lack of puncuation and proper indexing makes it blur into one long stream of crap.
It seems that you are upset with Mr. Mcclung, because he claims that you have property of his ( a knife that he made) that was gained (from whatever source) with out proper payment being tendered.
Despite the fact that you are upset, which is evidenced by your lack of any intelligble comments in your post, all that you have managed to do is make yourself look like a fool.
This is not the first problem that you have had with Mr. Mcclung, you have spewed garbage in the past, a simple search, here and at www.tacticalforums.com will yield a evidence of that.
Second, or third, of all, at the end of your tirade you accuse Kevin of being beat up as a child, and call him a coward. This is odd, considering he is a reknowned instructor in H2H combat skills, training law enforcement and high speed military personal. But that is beside the point, you act like a spoiled child, calling names on the play ground. You are a disappoinment, if you have something of value to add, other than stupid, childish insult, please do so. Otherwise please continue to post your 3000000000000 knives in the individual for sale forum and deny that you're a dealer.
I have had some minor dealings with Kevin (he sent a knife to me on behalf of another) and have only owned a couple of his products, I have no vested interest, other than to see the truth brought to light.
I have read many post by Mr. and Mrs. Mcclung, and have been impressed with there class and level heads when dealing with absolute fools like you. MDK has a cult-like following, not just because he designs some of the best (in terms of ergonomics, performance, looks and utility) knives in the world, but also because of the force of his personality.
Although I have never had the pleasure of the Mcclung's company, I know from those who have that he is a man of honor, of integrity and courage, in all matters, personal and professional.
Those that have seen him work have acclaimed his pure genius and dedication to perfection, as can be seen by the excellent products and services he provides.
I have observed that there are many in the knife world that jump on the "Mad Dog bashing wagon", yet none have a legitimate complaint, only spreading lies and half truths. I has been my observation that Mrs. Mcclung usually handles the public relations for MDK, and in ALL cases she has been the picture of pure class, maintaining her composure and inteligent, level headed discourse, even in the face of lies and malicious slander.
I think it is very humorous that you write like such the tough guy jack, I wonder if you would run your trap this much in person, in front of the man you accuse. I doubt it, you know that you'd be exposed as fool. You have the nerve to call Mad Dog a coward, a weasal and a liar. I contend that it is you who are those things, not Mr. Mcclung.
Peace,
Chad
(BTW I'm not a tough guy, I'm a total wimp. I got beat up a lot when I was a child.
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I usually mind my own business, however your onslaught has motivated me to reply. First let me address the fact that your post is rather hard to read, the lack of puncuation and proper indexing makes it blur into one long stream of crap.
It seems that you are upset with Mr. Mcclung, because he claims that you have property of his ( a knife that he made) that was gained (from whatever source) with out proper payment being tendered.
Despite the fact that you are upset, which is evidenced by your lack of any intelligble comments in your post, all that you have managed to do is make yourself look like a fool.
This is not the first problem that you have had with Mr. Mcclung, you have spewed garbage in the past, a simple search, here and at www.tacticalforums.com will yield a evidence of that.
Second, or third, of all, at the end of your tirade you accuse Kevin of being beat up as a child, and call him a coward. This is odd, considering he is a reknowned instructor in H2H combat skills, training law enforcement and high speed military personal. But that is beside the point, you act like a spoiled child, calling names on the play ground. You are a disappoinment, if you have something of value to add, other than stupid, childish insult, please do so. Otherwise please continue to post your 3000000000000 knives in the individual for sale forum and deny that you're a dealer.
I have had some minor dealings with Kevin (he sent a knife to me on behalf of another) and have only owned a couple of his products, I have no vested interest, other than to see the truth brought to light.
I have read many post by Mr. and Mrs. Mcclung, and have been impressed with there class and level heads when dealing with absolute fools like you. MDK has a cult-like following, not just because he designs some of the best (in terms of ergonomics, performance, looks and utility) knives in the world, but also because of the force of his personality.
Although I have never had the pleasure of the Mcclung's company, I know from those who have that he is a man of honor, of integrity and courage, in all matters, personal and professional.
Those that have seen him work have acclaimed his pure genius and dedication to perfection, as can be seen by the excellent products and services he provides.
I have observed that there are many in the knife world that jump on the "Mad Dog bashing wagon", yet none have a legitimate complaint, only spreading lies and half truths. I has been my observation that Mrs. Mcclung usually handles the public relations for MDK, and in ALL cases she has been the picture of pure class, maintaining her composure and inteligent, level headed discourse, even in the face of lies and malicious slander.
I think it is very humorous that you write like such the tough guy jack, I wonder if you would run your trap this much in person, in front of the man you accuse. I doubt it, you know that you'd be exposed as fool. You have the nerve to call Mad Dog a coward, a weasal and a liar. I contend that it is you who are those things, not Mr. Mcclung.
Peace,
Chad
(BTW I'm not a tough guy, I'm a total wimp. I got beat up a lot when I was a child.
)What is there about the internet that encourages venomous dribble. Given all that is going on in this country why would you feel compelled to search rather far afield to share frustration about your thinly disguised knife business. At least pay the owners the Corporate rate to publish your thinking. Better yet concentrate on the damage done to our Nation and the young men/women headed in harms way... We have much greater problems at hand than some knife deal. We don't need any more bad publicity concering our shared hobby/interest. While I am making one of my rare and probably unappreciated posts I would like to add, back away from the "Caps" button, civility is still productive.
If you want to get another view on this one, go to http://www.tacticalforums.com. Read two threads. First, do a search in the for sale by private parties forum on user name jaxurman. Read the thread where jaxurman asks for comments from Mad Dog and others on how much his knives are worth. Read the entire thread. Kevin cautions jaxurman and recommends that he sends his knives to an authority to confirm they are not fakes. Then go to the Mad Dog Knives forum and read the only thread from 9/11 about a custom mariner. Kevin brings it to light that the knive would be stolen property, since the original buyer never paid for it. Make your own decisions.
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Jack,
In all honesty, and this is very much unsolicted, you've been one of the very best knife folks that I've had the pleasure to deal with.
You've been extremely "straight-up" in all of our dealings, and have been a real pleasure to talk with during the course of our many phone conversations.
Hell, I even like ya man...and being that I like, really like, maybe 5% of the people that I meet, that's saying something...at least to me it is.
I've also spent some time with the McClungs, albeit via email and forum posts, and they seem to be pretty straight up folks too.
So what's the deal Jack? Did you misread something that was posted? Is that what set you off? I mean, it's real easy to misread a post, gawd knows, I've done that soooo many times.
Or is it just that people (myself included) have such a hard time keeping a fast moving thought going in such a slow moving format as this typing stuff? (I type with two fingers myself, and have to watch each key stroke,,,and I still make mistakes...lol)
So, I've got to ask...If you're a good guy Jack, and Kevin is a good guy, when was the last time you TWO spoke on the phone?
C'mon Jack, that post was foul! You know it, I know it, and everyone reading it hear knows it...and you don't need to come off that way Jack, you're a better man than that!
Talk with Kevin bro, just pick up the phone and dial him up...ok?
For everyone else...if Jack can't post there, and Kevin can't post here, this is the kinda crap that happens..."Ban's" are bad news for everyone...well, except for the "trolls"...lol
I'll get that knife off to you tomorrow Jack, and thanks for helping us out with the truly "hard to find" stuff too!
Peace---out
In all honesty, and this is very much unsolicted, you've been one of the very best knife folks that I've had the pleasure to deal with.
You've been extremely "straight-up" in all of our dealings, and have been a real pleasure to talk with during the course of our many phone conversations.
Hell, I even like ya man...and being that I like, really like, maybe 5% of the people that I meet, that's saying something...at least to me it is.
I've also spent some time with the McClungs, albeit via email and forum posts, and they seem to be pretty straight up folks too.
So what's the deal Jack? Did you misread something that was posted? Is that what set you off? I mean, it's real easy to misread a post, gawd knows, I've done that soooo many times.
Or is it just that people (myself included) have such a hard time keeping a fast moving thought going in such a slow moving format as this typing stuff? (I type with two fingers myself, and have to watch each key stroke,,,and I still make mistakes...lol)
So, I've got to ask...If you're a good guy Jack, and Kevin is a good guy, when was the last time you TWO spoke on the phone?
C'mon Jack, that post was foul! You know it, I know it, and everyone reading it hear knows it...and you don't need to come off that way Jack, you're a better man than that!
Talk with Kevin bro, just pick up the phone and dial him up...ok?
For everyone else...if Jack can't post there, and Kevin can't post here, this is the kinda crap that happens..."Ban's" are bad news for everyone...well, except for the "trolls"...lol
I'll get that knife off to you tomorrow Jack, and thanks for helping us out with the truly "hard to find" stuff too!
Peace---out
Here is the link to the discussion on the stolen knife.
http://www.tacticalforums.com./
It's a shame we can't work together to put pressure on the real culprit. That would be the customer who stole the knife in the first place. As far as I can tell both Jaxurman and Kevin have been victimized by the same guy. If we want to do something productive let's get the name of the guy who actually stole the knife up on the page, and then none of us will make the mistake of selling that clown another knife.
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It's a shame we can't work together to put pressure on the real culprit. That would be the customer who stole the knife in the first place. As far as I can tell both Jaxurman and Kevin have been victimized by the same guy. If we want to do something productive let's get the name of the guy who actually stole the knife up on the page, and then none of us will make the mistake of selling that clown another knife.
n2s
ok to answer some questions for big tex and others wanting to read about what i am upset about the thread is on tacticalforums.com on their knife forums under maddog knives subject matter custom mariner author jeff on 9-11-01. for couger allen , the reason i am upset is because he has made the implication that this particular knife was stolen from him and because i own it he is implying that i have in his words "stolen property" fact is kevin knows ive had this knife for some time and now knows i want to sell it he is pissed because he knows he never got paid for itby the person he sold it to [not me !] thats his problem not mine !!!he does not like me although i have had in my collection some of the best knives and most expensive and collectible he has made i have 2 of the rarest "ataks"made a serialized group knife as well as "0" of the three ghost knives thats right "0" both of these knives by kevins own admission and gary boyds estimates are worth 5k each !!! yes $5,000.00each i made the decision to sell these knives as my collection is going in a different direction as some of you may know i posted up a question to kevin asking him what he felt the value was he gave me a very nice reply until he later found out it was me and i was going to sell them at that time his response was for potential buyers to be aware as they might be fakes when in fact he knew the origin of both knives!!! i do not want to own any of his knives the man is scum of the lowest caliber !!! besides the one of a kind mariner ghost # and cnswg -2 "group" knife i have a "c" series black semi -sterile knife i have owned some of kevins best work his finest most expensive stuff -yes they are nice knives however i cannot say the same of the man who has made them so for any of his groupies who want to bash me save your comments go to tactical forums and kiss kevins ass !! i dont want to hear how great he is etc ad nauseum im going to stand up for myself and especially when some low -budget has been implies that i have something that belongs to him!!!- wrong !!!to tattoo no he did not say that i stole it from him but he did say whoever has the knife is in possession of "stolen property" i dont think so !!! its my knife i bought it as i have ALL knives in my collection so im going to defend my honest reputation and my name .now to chad 234 im no fool you say that im a spoiled child maybe so. sounds like you are in need of serious therapy for the many issues you have . i stand by what i have said .you mention you want to see the truth well the truth is kevin is truly a "player"hater the people who truly know me know that i am the real deal !!! i like good stuff watches cars etc have cool toys and that i am a lot of fun to hang out with i certainly am affluent enough not to need to deal in "stolen" merchandise in fact this knife has probably been in my collection 6to 8 years !!!the people who deal with kevin tolerate him to get knives these same people have e mailed me to tell me that they know he is a goof !!!! i have a legitimate complaint about kevin he has implied that i am less than honorable i am at this time consulting with my attorney to seek relief from this weasels attempt to slander me and cause damage to my reputation by his false incorrect accusations as you can see he is not man enough to address the issues he himself initiated and to reply to my comments on how he is truly less than a man!!! as for chad mentioning the word "class" in the same sentence with kevin or mcclung is an oxymoron !!!!!!!!!no chad im not a "tough guy"but im not like you either a pathetic , self -confessed "wimp" i am a man who will always stand up for himself admit and apologize when wrong have both given and taken many a ass -beating i will always defend my honor and reputation and as tom petty says "i wont back down " especially when i am disrespected by a man who i have both directly and indirectly put 10s of thousands of dollars in his pockets and dirty little grubby hands i have done more than most of his groupies throughout the years i promoted his knives for what they were cool well made hardware a great tool and collctible too!!!!! the thanks i get is this guys bad mouthing me telling people i have a knife of his that in his peabrain was "stolen " from him . the truth is if he knows who ordered the knife from him that is the person who he should have issues with not me !! i cannot help it somebody "punked " kevin for a blade not my problem none of my biz it became my problem with kevin when he lied and said the knife was "stolen property" and put my name into the hat with that all i can say is i sure would not let anyone take my **** from me especially if i was the badass kevin claims to be i certainly do not fear kevin and would be happy to tell this to his face he has disrespected me so there it is
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FWIW, and since I just like drama, I went to look at the threads in question and they no longer work. They come up in the search screen but when clicked they won't load.
I'm not commenting on the issue since I really don't know either party but I thought it was definately interesting that I could not see the threads in question....
I'm not commenting on the issue since I really don't know either party but I thought it was definately interesting that I could not see the threads in question....
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I found the thread in the Mad Dog Knives forum:
http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000733.html
A search of the for-sale forum turned up this url http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum27/HTML/000337.html but it returns an error message -- and the thread doesn't show in the forum topic list, either.
http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000733.html
A search of the for-sale forum turned up this url http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum27/HTML/000337.html but it returns an error message -- and the thread doesn't show in the forum topic list, either.
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Jack,
Though you can't post at TFC, and Kevin Won't post here....I'll post here what I posted there....and I'll respond to each and both of you, if asked...
You two need to "make this right", and put it behind you...no more name calling shiite please, you're both better men than this...at least from my dealings with you both.
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Kevin,
I've got to ask..."When was the last time you talked with Jack?" On the phone I mean?
Sure, his typing skills leave a little to be desired, but he's not a bad guy to talk with...on the phone at least.
I've had a few dealings with Jack, and he seems like a nice enough fellow on the phone, and in our knife trades...I have no complaints, other than that he strikes a hard bargain.
If Jack can't post here, and you won't post there, and if you two can't/won't talk on the phone...where does that leave you both?
The reason I ask this question is, and in no particular order...
I had a custom mountain bike stolen, and later found another fellow with it...I called the cops, he swore that he'd bouight it from "some dude" for $200...
Without licensing, I couldn't prove it was mine...case closed, he kept the bike..my word against his, and he won.
I had a revolver stolen from my truck...registered in my name, I filed a police report including the S/N...
18 months later it was recovered in a drug bust...I got the gun back...after a major freaking hassle!
I had a '65 Ford Step-side 4x4 stolen...2 years later I see the truck, I talk with the driver, I follow her home, I call the cops, and I can recover the truck, but I was gonna sell it anyway, so I talk to the young couple that had bought it "title pending" and had then got stuck with it...
I was gonna sell it for a grand needing a motor, and they'd bought it for two and put in a new motor. I told them to give me a grand and it was theirs...
I could've taken them for a ride, but that would have been raw. (I think I got $800 out of them before I said "screw it, here's the title").
So I ask again, when was the last time you spoke with Jack?
Make him a knife, whatever he wants, and get your stolen property back. It'll be cheaper for you in the long run, and will go a long way to healing hurt feelings...on both your parts!
Or, if you have proof that it was stolen, you can always get a legitimate court order to seize it back, not likely though.
Chances are that you and Jack could work out something that would be fair to all parties concerned...
Also, if he paid out large dollars for the knife, and now you're claiming it back for free, with no "bone" for Jack, I think you're barking up the wrong tree...
That's my read....what's yours?
Mel
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Knock it off G'dammit guys, it ain't worth the "free press"...just make it right and move on, no harm, no foul! Right?
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Though you can't post at TFC, and Kevin Won't post here....I'll post here what I posted there....and I'll respond to each and both of you, if asked...
You two need to "make this right", and put it behind you...no more name calling shiite please, you're both better men than this...at least from my dealings with you both.
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Kevin,
I've got to ask..."When was the last time you talked with Jack?" On the phone I mean?
Sure, his typing skills leave a little to be desired, but he's not a bad guy to talk with...on the phone at least.
I've had a few dealings with Jack, and he seems like a nice enough fellow on the phone, and in our knife trades...I have no complaints, other than that he strikes a hard bargain.
If Jack can't post here, and you won't post there, and if you two can't/won't talk on the phone...where does that leave you both?
The reason I ask this question is, and in no particular order...
I had a custom mountain bike stolen, and later found another fellow with it...I called the cops, he swore that he'd bouight it from "some dude" for $200...
Without licensing, I couldn't prove it was mine...case closed, he kept the bike..my word against his, and he won.
I had a revolver stolen from my truck...registered in my name, I filed a police report including the S/N...
18 months later it was recovered in a drug bust...I got the gun back...after a major freaking hassle!
I had a '65 Ford Step-side 4x4 stolen...2 years later I see the truck, I talk with the driver, I follow her home, I call the cops, and I can recover the truck, but I was gonna sell it anyway, so I talk to the young couple that had bought it "title pending" and had then got stuck with it...
I was gonna sell it for a grand needing a motor, and they'd bought it for two and put in a new motor. I told them to give me a grand and it was theirs...
I could've taken them for a ride, but that would have been raw. (I think I got $800 out of them before I said "screw it, here's the title").
So I ask again, when was the last time you spoke with Jack?
Make him a knife, whatever he wants, and get your stolen property back. It'll be cheaper for you in the long run, and will go a long way to healing hurt feelings...on both your parts!
Or, if you have proof that it was stolen, you can always get a legitimate court order to seize it back, not likely though.
Chances are that you and Jack could work out something that would be fair to all parties concerned...
Also, if he paid out large dollars for the knife, and now you're claiming it back for free, with no "bone" for Jack, I think you're barking up the wrong tree...
That's my read....what's yours?
Mel
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Knock it off G'dammit guys, it ain't worth the "free press"...just make it right and move on, no harm, no foul! Right?
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Melvin,
Perhaps we should all stay out of this. This knife appears to have been in circulation for quite some time. It has been purchased and sold in the normal course of commerce any number of time. There is no indication that Jaxurman was in anyway involved or aware of a stolen knife. Nor is there any indication that he did anything other than buy a knife from a normal knife dealer. We cannot even be sure that this is the same knife. Unlike a gun, or a vehicle there is no registered serial number to trace this thing.
If the knife had been stolen last week I would understand the reaction. But after this many years I would have to ask why the issued had not been resolved with the original customer long ago. If it were my property it would have been written off my books as a tax loss years ago, and likewise, the receivable would have been sold to a collection agency.
I see no reason why Jaxurman should have any duty to Kevin with respect to this knife. What's next; as a military knife collector should I expect that somebody's family in Germany will sue me over a sword that some GI captured from a slain family member several world wars ago? There may be more to this story then we know, but from what I see on this thread, Kevin had no reason to go public with this at this time.
n2s
Perhaps we should all stay out of this. This knife appears to have been in circulation for quite some time. It has been purchased and sold in the normal course of commerce any number of time. There is no indication that Jaxurman was in anyway involved or aware of a stolen knife. Nor is there any indication that he did anything other than buy a knife from a normal knife dealer. We cannot even be sure that this is the same knife. Unlike a gun, or a vehicle there is no registered serial number to trace this thing.
If the knife had been stolen last week I would understand the reaction. But after this many years I would have to ask why the issued had not been resolved with the original customer long ago. If it were my property it would have been written off my books as a tax loss years ago, and likewise, the receivable would have been sold to a collection agency.
I see no reason why Jaxurman should have any duty to Kevin with respect to this knife. What's next; as a military knife collector should I expect that somebody's family in Germany will sue me over a sword that some GI captured from a slain family member several world wars ago? There may be more to this story then we know, but from what I see on this thread, Kevin had no reason to go public with this at this time.
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n2s,
Agreed. I sometimes let my "Rescue Ranger" personna see the light of day.
Being that I personally have no vested interest in the outcome of said discourse, I'd be better served by bowing out at this point.
Thanks for your words of wisdom bud, and for bringing me back to earth...
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Agreed. I sometimes let my "Rescue Ranger" personna see the light of day.
Being that I personally have no vested interest in the outcome of said discourse, I'd be better served by bowing out at this point.
Thanks for your words of wisdom bud, and for bringing me back to earth...
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A couple of art owners, museums and dealers have been forced to pay restitution to families of holocaust survivors for artwork stolen from Jewish families during WWII that was in thier possession. So it can happen, I think courts usually rule in favor of the original owners if it went that far.
With that said, I'm with you, I personally don't think Jaxurman owes him anything. Maddog should have pursued the issue a long time ago with the original buyer. But I'm pretty sure that if it went to court and maddog could prove it was stolen (by the original person) jaxurman would be forced to give it back and pursue the person he bought it from for restitution.
A friend of mine bought a Jaguar from a local dealership, 2 years later they were busted for renumbering and selling stolen cars. The police came to his house, put a hook on his car and told him to contact a lawyer to get his loan nullified and try to get some money back from the dealer.
I know it's a pretty crappy thing to have happen but I know of a lot of cases where it's been done.
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), I think what maddog did on his forum was just wrong, he should have contacted Jaxurman offline and tried to discuss the issue with him first.thanx guys i appreciate the support interesting thing though one of the guys chad was over at tactical forums kissing kevins ass and just acting as kevins "snitch" i mean "informant" although he claims to have no vested interest hmmm ???? those who know me know that i am big on honesty and keeping my word by kevins own admission another individual ordered the knife and did not pay kevin for it i paid the dealer for the knife he has a store and is well known kevin now all these years later wants to hurt my reputation which is unlike his squeeky clean there is not one person anywhere that can claim that i owe them anything or that i stole from them or in anyway beat them the way this self proclaimed "mad scientist" acts his bizzare behavior is it any wonder i want to get rid of his knives ??? i may get and keep a frequent flyer thats about it. the guy used to make cool unique knives as we all know the early stuff is much cooler than the new stuff also there is no resale value on the newer stuff now the stuff i have is the coolest the ghost # "0" the group 2 knife - cnswg -2 the flashpoint #2 knife based on his sert knife with the tool kit in the butt mirror polish and a real metal guard !!! the mariner thanx kevin you guys missed the boat i told you all it is the only one he made he confirmed this himself and the all black semi sterile "c" series all are for sale !!!!!!!!!!! serious inquirys only !!!!!!!!!!
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