Kevin Mclung Aka "maddog "=weasel ,coward , Liar !!!

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wow - lotsa venom in this thread, imho i better hold my tongue, would be better if others did the same..........


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Jaxurman; punctuation. Look into it.

You always have MANY knives to offer, but I never consider buying from you because I can never tell what the hell you're babbling about. It's also quite annoying that you flood the for sale forum as opposed to consolidating your threads into one.
Sell some knives and spend the money in order to take a class dealing with proper sentence structure.
You're a dealer posing as a Gold Member. Fork over the bucks to Spark for a Dealer Membership and perhaps you'll receive more respect here.

Kevin is caustic. Kevin is controversial. Kevin seeks attention. Kevin is...Kevin. This is no secret. Kevin admits to who he is, and therefore makes no apologies for being himself. Mad Dog has been around for quite some time. He occassionally irritates people, but he still manages to sell every knife that he makes. Again, Kevin is Kevin.

But you are a dealer posing as a member. So who has the identity crisis here?
 
Do you have some credible evidence that Jack is a dealer?Spark has stated in the thread he is satisfied that he is not a dealer,unless someone provides him with evidence otherwise.So after such a post why would you continue to post inflammatory material?Why do feel it necessary to continue crucifying the man?Sounds to me like you have a personal problem with Jack.Guess what,I could give a rats a** what his punctuation is like,did I miss something or is this english 101?Frankly,I can comprehend his post just fine and feel no need to be an A***hole to the guy because of it.If I did feel a need to suggest to him to please puntuate,I certainly would have been more polite then half the people in this thread.
 
I made a mistake - Jaxurman is not the individual that I was referring to with 100K in knives. If anyone has any information confirming he is a dealer, please forward it to me ASAP and I will take appropriate action.

Kevin
 
jaxurman posted this thread in an inflammatory manner, TOMBSTONE. He made no secret of his desire to publicly crucify Mad Dog. So this makes jaxurman fair game.
Who are you, his bodyguard or just Defender of the Illiterate?

I'm saying things about jaxurman that I'd gladly say to his face, unlike jaxurman who I absolutely doubt would have the nads to verbally attack Kevin Mclung in person.

There are quite a few people around here who recall the questionable histories of certain individuals quite vividly. Most of the people with this particular recall are Usual Suspects. So I take it kind of personally, and therefore I become involved.

Let's stir the pot and see what floats to the top, shall we? But it won't be cream that rises.


BTW, what exactly constitutes a "dealer", Spark? How many knives per month does a guy have to sell in order to be deemed a dealer? Maybe jaxurman isn't a dealer. Why would he bother being a dealer when he can flood the forums and sell all of the knives that he wants without any of the usual dealer problems/overhead.

So you're right, TOMBSTONE. I shouldn't have called jaxurman a dealer, because that implies a certain sense of legitimacy, and that certainly wasn't my intent at all. I assure you.
 
Good points guys, some valid, some not so valid...

If a person had a hobby, and if that person also had an obsessive compulsive personality...a personality that almost forced him to buy something that he truly didn't need, such as say, many thousands of dollars worth of knives...

Then, after many, oh maybe 15 years or so, of collecting knives, that person found himself sick, or looking after a sick family member....and having no insurance, found himself in a position where he needed to sell his collection of knives...would that person suddenly become a dealer, as opposed to being a collector selling his collection?

And if that same person, needing the money for bills, found it advantageous to trade knives as part of the selling process, would that person then be deemed a dealer?

If that person was also outspoken, a personality trait that we simultaneously exhalt and vilify, and if that person had alienated numerous people with his outspoken personality...would that person then be deemed a dealer?

If a person made themselves an easy target because of their outspoken ways, or because they didn't utilize a spell checker, would that person then be deemed a dealer?

The reason that I ask this question is, short of, god forbid, the family illness part, I too am going to be deemed a dealer someday if this trend towards vilification continues...just as Jack is being vilified today.

When I say that, I mean...

I once had a "collection" of nine late '60's "Muscle cars", Mustangs, Camaro's, and Chevelle's...Municipal Traffic Court Judge Bundy told me that if I didn't sell the cars, and/or if I showed up in "his" court again, he was going to incarcerate me for as many years as possible...I sold the cars.

I once had a "collection" of 20 "Black Rifles", the legislators here in California told me that if I didn't sell them, then they were going to incarcerate me for as many years as possible...I sold the rifles.

Rest assured, if I had a sudden need for money tomorrow, I'd be dumping some 50-odd Randall's here at the drop of a hat. I bought all of these knives "legitimately" via the forums, ebay, and shows...though I confess, I don't know the history of Any of these knives prior to my purchase...would that make me a dealer?

Also, some of the very best field service techs that I've met over the last 20 years, the ones that maintain our missiles and our Navy, can't spell or type well, and many don't use a spell checker...but our very lives depend on their work...and they're damn good at it, so the "punctuation" arguement is a cheap shot in my opinion.

So, someone has offended you by offending your friend(s) with their typed words, and yet the offended party, (all parties, not any single party), takes no notice...and somehow you now have an obligation to take their place? What exactly does that make you? Does that make you them? No, it doesn't. If they had something to say, they would say it, wouldn't they?

I'm not agreeing with Jack here guys, I think his post was poorly written and was mean spirited. I also sense it was borne of frustration.

And I don't agree with Kevin either...he want's Jack to freely give him back a knife that he alleges was stolen, and that thievery unbeknowest to Jack, the knife later purchased by Jack during the course of a seemingly legitimate business transaction. Kevin's beef is with the thief, not Jack, IMNSHO.

Back to the dealer thread...isn't this just a back door method of trying screw Jack over for alledged past misdeeds? Has anyone here personally been screwed over by Jack? If so, I'd sure like you to post the facts of it here.

Personally, I've had two high dollar transactions with Jack to date, with very little money changing hands, mostly just knives moving cross country.

The guy has the knives we want...and he busted his ass obtaining them too! I'm quite sure that if he didn't need the money, we wouldn't even be hearing about them...kapish?

Is Jack easy to deal with? No, not in my opinion...I always feel like I've gone 10 rounds...but have I gotten screwed over? No, not in any way, shape, or form...he's a tough guy to deal with on a mental basis, and strikes a hard bargain to boot, but does that make him scam artist, or worse yet, a dealer? :eek: Hardly...

Keep it to the facts please...and if you haven't Personally dealt with the man, get off his back then...eh?

"Ye verily, let him with no sin cast the first stone..."

(Typed without benefit of a spell checker...I hope I passed your test...) :rolleyes:
 
Keep it to the facts please...and if you haven't Personally dealt with the man, get off his back then...eh?
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Melvin-Purvis,
I haven't dealt with Jack but I am 100% in agreement with everything in your last post. The guy is understandably upset, he is not allowed to respond directly to the accusations raised by Kevin McClung, and he exploded all over this thread with so much frustration that it has taken us a while to figure out what he was trying to say.

We are not a party to this, and he should have cooled down a bit before inviting us in, but if I had been wrongly hit for significant dollars the way Jack was I doubt I would be any calmer than he is.

n2s
 
Anyone following high end collecting, in any field, knows nothing enhances value or interest like scandle, crime or innuendo. Jaxurman has lost nothing and will be well served by this tacky display of "knife" politics. Buyers with $5,000 for a knife will only be further attracted by all this drama. Strange as it may seem, we want what we don't, can't or shouldn't have!
 
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"Keep it to the facts please...and if you haven't Personally dealt with the man, get off his back then...eh?"


Seems my post was taken to be "venomous". Let me straighten that out.

I said that what I read was "unpunctuated drivel". I don't think I have to reprint the original thread here. You all read it. The second half of that post contained no facts.

"He wishes his forum was as cool as Spark's but it isn't...."
"He wishes he were as good a knife maker as _____, but he isn't..."
".....beat up as a kid..... Liar, coward, weasel...."

Okay, I paraphrased a bunch there, but you see the contents of the post as well as I do. Nothing there but drivel. And you cannot deny that it is unpunctuated. That is a fact. I also said that I believed the post was not a good use of this forum.

I come in here to find out who is good to deal with and who is not. He came in to tell us about how Mad Dog gave him a ration about a knife he bought. He said he bought the knife from a dealer he deemed honorable. Fine. Tell us who the dealer was and how well the transaction went. That would be proper use of this forum. Opinions about Mad Dog are a dime a dozen here at BFC. No need to add another, since it appears Mad Dog was not involved in the knife transaction itself.

I closed by saying that it would be a ripoff if a guy was a dealer and decided to abuse the For Sale forums. I did not say that Jax was a dealer. I did imply that his dealings here on BFC did seem dealerish. If he had a big collection and wanted to sell it off, I'm cool with that. But he seems to buy as many knives as he sells, then returns to the forum and sells the knives for a profit. HAVING knives and selling them makes you look like a knife seller. BUYING knives and selling them for a profit makes you look like a dealer. I am not here to say whether Jax is a dealer or not. I DID say that if someone WAS a dealer and not kicking Spark his due, that would be a real ripoff. Hypothetical, yes, but my opinion nonetheless.

I came in and wanted to comment that Jaxurman's post really didn't need to be put here in GB&U. If you think I am wrong, that is fine. Differences of opinion are good things. I should have just left it at that. Mentioning the dealer thing, and describing the post as "unpunctuated drivel" appears to have ruffled some feathers and was probably unnecessary for me to add. But what the hell.... just call me the "Ugly" in "Good, Bad and Ugly" if you want to. I can take the heat. :)
 
Ya Eric, I'm a defender of the illiterate :rolleyes: And who are you,the defender of the kennel?:p As far as his post being inflammatory?Maybe so,under the circumstances I can't say I would react much different.
 
OH,and as far as what constitutes a dealer?You have been registered here since 2000 and this subject is a dead horse.Spark and Mike have explained numerous times what constitutes a dealer.Well,there is nothing previously or currently restricting a number of maximum knives you can sell here in a set period of time.A dealer is a person buys at wholesale from a distributor or manufacturer and sells with the intent of making a profit.
 
hi guys im back to hopefully answering some questions yes i would say what i have said here in print to kevins face sorry ive been away most of the week dealing with something that is really a hell of a lot more important than this ive been dealing with a father that is terminally ill my dads pneumonia has returned hopefully they caught it in time he lost 3 lbs this week down to 137 so for me this crap and the knives are not as important i just hope my dads rattle leaves his chest and we can get back to taking 30pills a day instead of 34 him that is thanks to the many private e mails in support and understanding i have an interesting question for kevin perhaps the bloated out steroid abusing freak in new york you know who you are!!!!!or the other butt licker er i mean bootlicker chad can relate to kevin why hasnt kevin identified the REAL CULPRIT HERE !!!!!!!!! im talking about the buttmunch who "punked" uber walter mitty warrior mcclung for the "mariner" in the first place ???? hmm makes me wonder ??? i do not condone thievery in any way shape or form so i have referred to the flim flam man who burned the arizona "badpuppy " i mean maddog as being a buttmunch he is as are all thieves is nothing more than pond scum !!! however where im sitting i feel that energies so negative are being directed at me for nothing more than me defending my honor!!! and to those who keep referring to me as a dealer -you are so off base i am an extreme hobbyist whose collecting is taking a different turn i do not have a store nor do i have a biz license i reinvest when i sell i put it back into my hobby i lose more than i make gee dealers cant do that now can they ??? i love knives plain and simple i resent people who have not dealt with me passing judgement on me to those who have dealt with me you know what im all about i have been posting since may of this year and if you do a search under jaxurman you will see nothing but positive feedback i do not owe anybody nor have i ripped off or burnt anyone to those of you like self confessed "wimp" chad i do not hide i can walk anywhere without fear as i have not done anyone wrong period not everyone will like me but those who have dealt with me like melvin purvis know i can talk the talk and walk the walk im no bullshitter if i say i have it i dont lie !!!! ive called kevin a couple of times he has refused to talk to me or return my calls with me offering to put them on my dime as well !!!!! interestingly enough the steroided out meathead from new york who talks so much **** about me has blocked me from e mailing him privately as well he must have learned the art of dodging from his "god" the great maddog !!!! i really dont care who likes me or not as long as they dont lie about me as mcclung has talk about cotton between the ears kevin admits to getting burned by someone else and yet the ignorant few still believe him and his lies as to me stealing his knife !!!! tes im not into punctuation and proper form it is not that important to me eric blair whats up with you ??? lifter whats up chad whats up ???i think the three of you are most annoying grow up get off kevins leg chad and lifter you dont know me wtf have i ever done to the 3 of you ??? NOTHING !!!! therefore you have no bitch with me those who know me know i dont get into peoples lives im here to trade knives and get cooler ones !!!! thats it !!!!!!isnt that what this forum is about i wish to apologize to spark and to the moderators and to thank you kjs for believing in the truth and for not breaking down to all the crybabys saying erronously that i am a "dealer" i feel that ive contributed more to the hobby and to promoting it than ive hurt it i feel the same way in my contributions to this forum i am thankfull to kjs or spark for allowing me to meet the many great new friends ive made here in a very short time i am a man of honor a man of integrity a man whose word can be takwen to the bank all i can say to those "haters" out there "dont hate- participate " god bless america and may god watchover our specops groundtroops in afghanistan and protect them - and help them in the hunt and killing of the biggest weasel coward and loser of them all usama bin laden !!! goodnite !! jack aka jaxurman !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by lifter4Him
I really tried hard not posting in this thread.
Cougar, just some facts as I know them about the comments made in the original post about the navy knives. I myself was guilty of spreading this false info around for some time, I even had the heads of a production company email me with names of Navy people who saw Kevin at a show.
Here's the facts about this as I know them. Yes, Mad Dog knives won a contract with the navy to supply knives to the SEALs when his knife won a competition. Yes, that is very prestigious and shows you the quality of his work. Kevin has a wife and children, you cannot feed them with prestige, and as we know, most makers are not rich. He delivered some of the knives to the Navy. As they are notorious for, alot of time went by without a payment from the Navy. Kevin needed to feed his family as social services frowns when your kids become skeletons due to lack of food. So he sold some knives. Who broke the contract? Kevin who didn't deliver the balance of the knives because he hadn't been paid for the batches of knives already delivered and needed the money to support his family? Or the Navy who took delivery and didnt make any payments in a reasonable amount of time?He did what he had to do to support his family. Period.

Here's another fact. A few of us questioned Spark in chat awhile ago about jaxurman and another individual being dealers. Spark stated that he had spoken to both and was satisfied with their answers and explanations that they weren't dealers.

Dave
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jaxurman, let me ask you a question. Read the above quote of my only other post in this ridiculous thread. Do you see anything derogatory about yourself in there? The first 2 paragraphs, which were addressed to Cougar, not you, are an explanation of the often mentioned situation between Mad Dog Knives and the US Navy that I found to be true. I even stated there that I myself was guilty in the past of spreading that rumor.
The third paragraph defends you as not being a dealer. I said a few had asked Spark at Bladeforums chat if you were a dealer and he stated that he was satisfied that you were not. I was sticking up for you not being a dealer!!!! Can you read???

****EDITED****as agreed due to apology from jaxurman I am removing some content that was inappropriate.

Since you brought it up, I don't take steroids. Not even the over the counter supposedly safe ones like McGuire did. I only compete in the American Drug Free Powerlifting Association(now USAPL) where we are constantly drug tested. Not only at competitions but we also have out of meet testing. That's right, they show up at your house at random a few times a year for a peepee sample. Since you chose to attack me about this, let me tell you something. I have been blessed and fortunate enough to win a world championship(1995), 3 national titles, and the NJ state championships 9 times. Come this Nov.10, I hope to make that 10 state titles, with the added bonus of my 20 year old son winning his first state title in his weight class. Normally I would never post this info but you attacked my credibility here alvarez.
Dont even go there about who would say what to who if it was in person. Through my years as an MP, and then as a bouncer, you get to be a pretty good judge of character.
You need to reread my original post and tell me where I attacked you.
I am sincerely sorry to hear about your father's illness. I mean that, I really am. Why do you always bring it up everytime you get involved in an argument here? This is the 3rd time I have read you talking about it but you only seem to bring it up when the flames are flying. Think about that. What you're doing by taking care of him is a great thing. Dont cheapen it by using it as a defensive weapon.
That's it for me,
Dave
Oh, and have a nice day.
Edited to add: you are not blocked on my email, are you sure you used correct punctuation?
 
Originally posted by lifter4Him
you are not blocked on my email, are you sure you used correct punctuation?
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Let me apologize in advance for interjecting, since I have no absolutely no stake in this issue, but I can't help myself:

:) :) ROTFLMAO!:) :)
 
<b>"bloated out steroid abusing freak"

"butt licker er i mean bootlicker"

"uber walter mitty warrior mcclung"</b>

The above cannot possibly be considered "civil" and I see no content here that either needed to be said or read.

This thread is finished.

Note;
Thread is temporarily re-opened as there have been those who expressed a desire to make amends.
In the interest of good will...
 
hi guys i wish to apologize to lifter it was late and i misread and or misunderstood his comments we spoke today via e mail we agreed that there were several misunderstandings and cheap shots were taken by both parties as well as untrue statements i am a man and im one to step forward and apologize when wrong comments directed at lifter were incorrect i feel that we have put any negatives directed towards each other in the mistake file my apologies go out only to lifter and my thanks and apologies to spark and super moderator ken cook who was gracious enough to unlock this thread so lifter and i could let it be known that comments made by and directed towards each other were not neccesariliy accurate statements but comments made late at night in anger etc im going to do my absolute best to refrain from any namecalling however the facts as to why i originally posted this remain i will not sit passively and allow ANYONE !!! to accuse me of thievery or wrongdoing especially when by own admissions that this info is a LIE ,FALSE MALICIOUS INFO !!!!SO TO THE SUPPORTERS of kevin mcclung i pose the question why doesnt kevin post the real culprits name who originally ordered the knife yet failed to pay him???? he is the individuall who is truly to blame and is at fault although i do condemn mcclung for trying his best to "ruin" my ability to get rid of the high dollar dogs i have i would have thought he would be proud that i was trying to get "topdollar " for my very rare and valuable dogs maybe someone has5,000 $for either the group 2 knife i have or #5,000.00for my original ghost # "0" atak or $2,500.00for my flashpoint #2 with toolkit im open to trades and offers as well so i truly am sorry for the comments posted regarding you i hope we can put this behind us and move forward maybe even do a deal like we talked about today thanx and goodnight jack aka jaxurman
 
Thank you Ken cook for re-opening this thread. As agreed with jaxurman, he apologized and I edited my above post.
Thanks again and lock away :)
 
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