Kizer Cutlery - experiences?

mmarkh said:
Every China knife I have handled felt sub par compared to what I'm used to. I haven't held one of them but I'm sure they are good enough for the people who like them. I don't need to save a buck that bad.
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Oh, gotcha. So your evaluation of these new knives is formed on the basis of having handled some other, totally unrelated knives?

Obvious troll is obvious. Have a great day. If we ignore you, will you move on to a new bridge soon?
 
No need to get upset. Have a great day.

evilgreg said:
Oh, gotcha. So your evaluation of these new knives is formed on the basis of having handled some other, totally unrelated knives?

Obvious troll is obvious. Have a great day. If we ignore you, will you move on to a new bridge soon?
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mmarkh said:
Just because I don't like a knife made in China doesn't make me a racist and I severely resent that implication from you.:mad: Frankly that is a violation of this forums code of conduct.
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OH NO SOMEONE IS MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, CRITICISMS, AND STATEMENTS ABOUT YOU WITHOUT SUFFICIENT INFORMATION OR EXPERIENCE
I SEE NO IRONY HERE

I don't actually think you are racist, but making assumptions like that reflects the same kind of thought patterns - broad generalizations, unwillingness to reconsider despite evidence to the contrary, insulting statements without any actual personal experience, etc. It's a way of thinking that does nobody any good and only serves to make the person look ignorant and unwilling to accept information that conflicts with their position.

What is your goal, I ask you? You are entitled to an opinion, but you are also entitled to be ridiculed if you cannot provide a good reason for your inflammatory or insulting ones. You can assume things made in China are universally of poor quality all you want, but if you specifically target a manufacturer or item in a statement, you need evidence or personal experience - otherwise, your position and statements are entirely without merit.

It's pretty clear that you have no interest in actual discussion or facts. All you have done in Kizer-related threads is insult the products despite having zero experience with them, and, when questioned, could not come up with an adequate reason.
 
Please just ignore the troll and let us continue with a very useful thread.

Thanks.
 
flash900 said:
Please just ignore the troll and let us continue with a very useful thread.

Thanks.
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Righto.

So, the 4412 I have is now the smoothest knife I have owned - after a good amount of carrying and use, the blade is still popping hairs and the ceramic ball detent has made it so smooth it's unreal. Lockup hasn't moved and is still bank vault. Centering remains a hair to the left.

Is there some sort of coating on the handles to protect the annodization? Every other anodized Ti item I have had showed some fading and wear over time. While there are some scratches here and there from use, there isn't any "anno rub".
 
When i was waiting for the 401x,i was prepared to send it back 5 minutes after i opened the box if i found the slightest thing that i didnt like. ive done it before with other knives & ive become so picky in the last year,that for me to keep this it passed everything i was looking for ..
 
Comeuppance, I know what you mean about the possible coating on the scales on this knife. It is even more of a question on my 401, they are extremely shiney and smack of a polyurethane coating. Having said that, my 412 has quite a bit of use on it, and none of the 'anno rub' as you called it, at all. I just think that these knives have a very nice buffed finish on them, that is very resistant to wear. I'd be interested to see if Kizer provides more info on this.
Further, my flipper hasn't smoothed out to open without quite a bit of wrist. I am close to taking it apart and sanding the washers etc. to try to get it to open smoothly and dependably with just the flipper. If anyone has input on this, I would really like to learn of it.

Regards--Don
 
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Yes you are. What is the "white hood" comment about? Sorry for not being a fanboy of economy knives. I was talking about the knives and you attacked me personally.

Comeuppance said:
OH NO SOMEONE IS MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, CRITICISMS, AND STATEMENTS ABOUT YOU WITHOUT SUFFICIENT INFORMATION OR EXPERIENCE
I SEE NO IRONY HERE

I don't actually think you are racist, but making assumptions like that reflects the same kind of thought patterns - broad generalizations, unwillingness to reconsider despite evidence to the contrary, insulting statements without any actual personal experience, etc. It's a way of thinking that does nobody any good and only serves to make the person look ignorant and unwilling to accept information that conflicts with their position.

What is your goal, I ask you? You are entitled to an opinion, but you are also entitled to be ridiculed if you cannot provide a good reason for your inflammatory or insulting ones. You can assume things made in China are universally of poor quality all you want, but if you specifically target a manufacturer or item in a statement, you need evidence or personal experience - otherwise, your position and statements are entirely without merit.

It's pretty clear that you have no interest in actual discussion or facts. All you have done in Kizer-related threads is insult the products despite having zero experience with them, and, when questioned, could not come up with an adequate reason.
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mmarkh said:
Yes you are. What is the "white hood" comment about? Sorry for not being a fanboy of economy knives. I was talking about the knives and you attacked me personally.
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WOOSH

That's the sound of something flying right over your head. You even quoted it:

"OH NO SOMEONE IS MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, CRITICISMS, AND STATEMENTS ABOUT YOU WITHOUT SUFFICIENT INFORMATION OR EXPERIENCE
I SEE NO IRONY HERE"

I was banking on you making a comment defending yourself, just so I could say exactly what is quoted above. You then, entirely in line with past posts, completely ignored all other points I made.

The real question is why you bother posting in this thread at all when you have had nothing new to say since the first time. It's like having a little kid in a discussion just intermittently yelling "this is stupid!" instead of just leaving the conversation or adding anything of substance. As such, I'm going to stop responding to you as it's really just like talking to a brick wall and is derailing the thread (which, admittedly, is just as much my fault).
 
Gentlemen,

We are getting off track here. If anyone wants to "fight it out," head over to Whine & Cheese and do your worst.
 
mmarkh said:
I am very surprised they are charging that much for that China crap.:barf: What is up with tip up on a flipper?:confused:
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General Knife Discussion > Kizer Cutlery - experiences? China crap? :barf: ? Way to stay classy. This kind of crude dismissive opinion sours the thread. Not professional.

Comeuppance said:
Ah, you again. Still insulting things without any actual experience, and still making broad generalizations based on nationalities. You forgot your white hood, sir.
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Knock off the passive-aggressive attitude. He's talking about business ethics and his perception of manufacturing quality.

mmarkh said:
Every China knife I have handled felt sub par compared to what I'm used to. I haven't held one of them but I'm sure they are good enough for the people who like them. I don't need to save a buck that bad.
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You don't need to inject an off-topic, us-versus-them argument in this thread. You have no personal experience with these knives, which makes your opinion less than compelling.

And not worth derailing the discussion.
 
Fish30114 said:
Further, my flipper hasn't smoothed out to open without quite a bit of wrist. I am close to taking it apart and sanding the washers etc. to try to get it to open smoothly and dependably with just the flipper. If anyone has input on this, I would really like to learn of it.

Regards--Don
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It's certainly worth a shot, IMO. Just be careful - if you feel too much resistance, try lightly (!!!) heating the standoffs to loosen the adhesive they use. You don't wanna muscle it and strip a screw.

Sanding the washers might not be the best option, as you might take off too much metal - I just clean them off and rub them on my strop in a circular motion until they're nice and shiny.
 
Comeuppance, good tip about the 'go easy' on the screws, and the shining em up only tip on the washers. I will bear both of them in mind. I'm simply exasperated with the knife not flipping without having to 'wrist' it quite a bit. I feel that the fit on the knife is very good, it's just too tight to flip open!

Thanks for the feedback.
 
Fish30114 said:
Comeuppance, good tip about the 'go easy' on the screws, and the shining em up only tip on the washers. I will bear both of them in mind. I'm simply exasperated with the knife not flipping without having to 'wrist' it quite a bit. I feel that the fit on the knife is very good, it's just too tight to flip open!

Thanks for the feedback.
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Be careful indeed, I had to use so much force that my Wiha driver stripped out the clip screw head long before the thread locker (it seems every screw has thread locker on it) gave up. Heating them slightly probably isn't a terrible idea if you can't get them to turn without having to really muscle up.

That said, my Kizer flips about as well as a non-bearing knife ever will. Vertically, no wrist, lightswitch or press-loading . . .
 
Flitz works great on the brass washers & pivot screws. i polished the pivot on a zt0600 & it made a big difference.I havent done anything to the 401,it seems to flip ok,if im bored or snowed in again,i might tinker with it...
 
evilgreg said:
Be careful indeed, I had to use so much force that my Wiha driver stripped out the clip screw head long before the thread locker (it seems every screw has thread locker on it) gave up. Heating them slightly probably isn't a terrible idea if you can't get them to turn without having to really muscle up.
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Aye, the same thing happened to me on the bottom-most screw on the presentation side of my 4412. Gentle application of heat worked like a charm.

I'm considering anodizing the polished standoffs because, well, why not? They're super shiny, which should make for good color. The downside is that if I shoot for a blue color and miss it (very easy to do), I'll be stuck with a flat grey and I don't have the means to re-finish them to such a high polish.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
General Knife Discussion > Kizer Cutlery - experiences? China crap? :barf: ? Way to stay classy. This kind of crude dismissive opinion sours the thread. Not professional.




Knock off the passive-aggressive attitude. He's talking about business ethics and his perception of manufacturing quality.



You don't need to inject an off-topic, us-versus-them argument in this thread. You have no personal experience with these knives, which makes your opinion less than compelling.

And not worth derailing the discussion.
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Thank you.
 
As far as the washer's go I have polished them on both of my Kizer's, along with the pivots. I used some polishing compound, followed up with the Flitz goldie mentioned. I also used my Dremel with a cotton polishing wheel on the washers and pivot. The washer's were like mirrors when I finished! I generally do this to all my folders, and it does make a difference.
 
I have the smaller Kleckler design, the 3411. And I'm happy with the knife. It's light, flat and opens well. Mine can be opened by flipping with the thumb, but I usually put in a small amount of wrist action. And it seems to be getting smoother the more I use it. At first the pocket clip was hard on the pocket. But I lessened the tension of the clip and it is better now. That is something I tune on almost every knife anyway. It has held an edge so far. I will admit that I haven't worked the knife hard yet, but if I wanted a hard use knife I would have purchased one of the larger models. Overall, I'd say it is a good bargain.
 
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