Kizer Splinter or zt 450CF? opinions

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I have both and find the 0450cf is a better fit for an all around type of knife, mainly due to the blade profile. This is despite preferring less belly in a blade.

The splinter's advantage is that it disappears better in a pocket due to the smaller height. It also packs more cutting edge into its OAL. Its tip is much better for piercing things, which is both an advantage and a disadvantage from a durability standpoint. The clip on the thing is awful but I have never met a milled clip I like.

If I had to pick one or the other I'd go with the 0450cf, but not by a lot.
 
I have a 450 and love it! Carries very well, amazing action, great looking blade profile and excellent fit & finish out of the box! Great small knife all around.
It isn’t the sliciest blade, but it cuts very well.

I have a few Kizers and have no complaints at all.
All have great fit & finish, great materials, and are solid knives.

You probably won’t go wrong with either and since we aren’t talking &1000 knives, choose whichever grabs your eye more.
Good luck and enjoy it!
Joe
 
Thanks guys (and ladies if there be). Great help, providing more than 'fanboy boy', "ZT because it's ZT".

Seen issues with both, hardware on kizer, and lockbar overtravel with ZT. It pains me to say it but ZT will be the one.

No issues with ZT, actually happy they are moving beyond 560ish knives. I just had a plan to save money with kizer and buy an unusual CKRT (cheap way to get cool designs if you can accept AUS8-ish blade steel).

Still looking for an S35 gents folder but if nothing pops out looks like ZT (safer bet)

Check out the kizer envoy or feist for small folders. I have the envoy and its incredible.
 
Splinter: Much thinner grind

It isn’t the sliciest blade, but it cuts very well.

I don't have any Kizers, but I have the original ZT0450. I can confirm that it is thick behind the edge, and when combined with the narrow saber grind, this makes for poor cutting geometry and mostly negates the benefits of using premium steel. It's a beautiful knife, but knowing what I do now, I would have gone with something else.

If I were looking for a TFF today, I would consider the Kizer Envoy: near identical specs, FFG, deep carry clip, probably better geometry, $137.
 
While I'm still worried about the thickness behind the edge, I can extend the primary bevel. I strop to a mirror finish so a bit more primary and secondary is not a big deal.

Somewhere somebody compared it to a BM 940. I love my 940, but it has an emotional attachment that precludes EDC. I prefer the 940's shape, sheepsfoot, or wharnclif but it sounds like I learn to love this one. I'm not a fan of AO which ZT does too much, so the bearings instead of spring were the icing on the cake. I should have it Saturday

Thanks again.
 
Great choice N nine4t4 !! Hope you love it!
Be sure to post some pics and let us know what you think of it out of the box.
Joe

PS......have you tracked it like every 35 seconds or so??? Like I do every time I buy a blade!
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I'm not a huge fan of either one, but I would go with the ZT: 1. U.S. made 2. I am SO done with all metal handles! titanium or otherwise...
 
The Splinter is a model I've noticed for sale a few times here and it's profile really caught my eye. I'm glad to see positive experiences with it from others, I think it'll be my next Kizer.

Good catch on the 0450, I have one and it makes for a great all around user. The action is super smooth too. It is thicker but that does make it more versatile.
 
Got my 450 today, love the action. Only complaints are that if it were sized. 25 inches bigger it would be perfection and the pocket clip. The 452 is tick to large. Love how small it looks closed, but still has a good edc size blade.

Very happy having an S35 knife for edc and it's freaky light. Delica weight with more blade. It feels too light, I'm used to 4-5oz knives.
 
Funny enough, I actually have a Splinter and 450CF, and between the two I changed give a decent list of pros and cons.

450CF: Better detent, lighter weight, DLC blade, lockbar insert, more clip options, customization options

Splinter: Much thinner grind, better blade shape (love the Wharncliffe), ceramic detent and bearings, better handle texturing, anodization options

Between the two, just because of the blade I'd go for the Splinter, neither knife is stout or large, and the Splinter just has an all around better blade for the size. The milled handles are just all around cooler too.
Hi. Also owned both, but one issue with splinter caused me to Go with 045cf at the end of the day. The cutout for the frame lock is extremely sharp and I found it uncomfortable. Could be it is just my grip, but it was the deciding factor in my selling the splinter and keeping the 040cf. Definitely preferred the blade shape and slicing ability of the splinter better than that of 0450cf though.
 
I grabbed a Vanguard Splinter for my Wife for Christmas. I havent played with it, but we'll see what she thinks. She's into 'Gentleman's" sized folders
 
Hi. Also owned both, but one issue with splinter caused me to Go with 045cf at the end of the day. The cutout for the frame lock is extremely sharp and I found it uncomfortable. Could be it is just my grip, but it was the deciding factor in my selling the splinter and keeping the 040cf. Definitely preferred the blade shape and slicing ability of the splinter better than that of 0450cf though.
Odd, I had no issues with it, but I'm also a lefty so my grip is all kinds of different.
 
I've owned both and still have the splinter so my vote is for the kizer. I had trouble flipping the ZT without wearing out my finger and the rest was meh. The Splinter I liked more than I thought I would. I got the colored version and the colors were more subtle than I expected. The I expected something thin and simple. It feels more stout than a 940 but disappears in the pocket just as well.
 
I would say the ZT0450CF, but I wouldn't do business with ZT for anything now. I just bought a new ZT0450CF and the blade was atrocious. Looking down the spine it appears that the blade curves to the right. When you flip it over and look down the edge, one side of the blade appears hollow ground while the other side appears convex ground. I heard all about how great ZT knives are and how outstanding their customer service and warranty department are so I sent it in. I just got a call back from Elizabeth who said she had the head of the warranty department look at it and they measured it and said it's a production knife and within tolerance and they won't do anything about it.

Has anyone else had this problem? That's the last dime they're getting from me, what a sorry company. I'll update with pics when I get the knife back from ZT.
 
I would say the ZT0450CF, but I wouldn't do business with ZT for anything now. I just bought a new ZT0450CF and the blade was atrocious. Looking down the spine it appears that the blade curves to the right. When you flip it over and look down the edge, one side of the blade appears hollow ground while the other side appears convex ground. I heard all about how great ZT knives are and how outstanding their customer service and warranty department are so I sent it in. I just got a call back from Elizabeth who said she had the head of the warranty department look at it and they measured it and said it's a production knife and within tolerance and they won't do anything about it.

Has anyone else had this problem? That's the last dime they're getting from me, what a sorry company. I'll update with pics when I get the knife back from ZT.

Man it sucks to have a ZT with that kind of problems and sucks even more to see KAI Warranty's response. The few times I used the warranty, the quality of the service was all excellent, though. Yes - I'd be interested in seeing the pictures.
 
I would say the ZT0450CF, but I wouldn't do business with ZT for anything now. I just bought a new ZT0450CF and the blade was atrocious. Looking down the spine it appears that the blade curves to the right. When you flip it over and look down the edge, one side of the blade appears hollow ground while the other side appears convex ground. I heard all about how great ZT knives are and how outstanding their customer service and warranty department are so I sent it in. I just got a call back from Elizabeth who said she had the head of the warranty department look at it and they measured it and said it's a production knife and within tolerance and they won't do anything about it.

Has anyone else had this problem? That's the last dime they're getting from me, what a sorry company. I'll update with pics when I get the knife back from ZT.
Who did you buy it from? If it was a retailer I'd say return it because that's just not acceptable.
 
Who did you buy it from? If it was a retailer I'd say return it because that's just not acceptable.


I purchased it from Great Lakes Outpost. It isn't their fault that ZT sent them the knife though. I'm not okay with blaming a retailer for a garbage knife they were sent from the manufacturer, that does nothing to address the issue of the knife having been shipped out in the first place. It isn't a matter of GLO's customer service (yet), it's a matter of ZT's customer service, quality control, and lack of integrity. Elizabeth, Dan and Josh specifically.
 
I purchased it from Great Lakes Outpost. It isn't their fault that ZT sent them the knife though. I'm not okay with blaming a retailer for a garbage knife they were sent from the manufacturer, that does nothing to address the issue of the knife having been shipped out in the first place. It isn't a matter of GLO's customer service (yet), it's a matter of ZT's customer service, quality control, and lack of integrity. Elizabeth, Dan and Josh specifically.

NOT to tell you what to do, but you should think of the retailer's role in this. Yes, it is their fault for sending you faulty merchandise. You bought it from GLO, and they should sell products with the quality and integrity they can stand behind. Otherwise, just buy your knives from the lowest priced guy on the auction sites, and be happy with a cheap price and no service after the sale. MOST retailers will stand behind the products they sell and want happy, repeat customers. I buy from the reputable approved vendors here, and THEY stand behind the products they sell and represent, they don't make me do the factory leg work for them if they shipped an defective product. With knives being sold out of faceless warehouses these days by the hundreds every day, it is unreasonable to think that every vendor will open every knife and inspect it for quality control. But on the other hand, I have never had one kick when I wanted to return a flawed knife. I always think of my long standing buyer/seller relationship with A.G. Russell. If you simply don't like the knife, reasons non specific, he will take the knife back with no complaining. i always go there first...

Most goods (including knives) that are returned to the vendor as "flawed" or "defective" are marked and returned to the vendor for credit. (That shouldn't be your job since you didn't buy factory direct.) The vendor has a role in this game too, and it should be to represent your interests as well. And more than likely the vendor will simply return the knife and get their credit (or resell it!) with no loss to themselves. I have a friend that is a licensed seller of a very popular brand of knives that is highly respected here, and he assures me he has never had to eat a returned knife.

BTW, sorry to hear about your experience with ZT. I have several Kershaws and a couple of ZTs that I am very fond of. I sure hope you haven't discovered a trend...

I own my own small business and have for almost 40 years. While the customer isn't always right, on a $200 retail item, I would make it right for my customers. Period. Why? Think how many folks are reading this thread about ZT... now you even have me thinking, which is never a good thing!

Seriously, speaking as a small business owner, give GLO a chance to earn your return business and just stay away from ZT.

Robert
 
Seriously, speaking as a small business owner, give GLO a chance to earn your return business and just stay away from ZT.

Robert[/QUOTE]


Oh I reached out to Great Lakes Outpost and they were awesome. They said send it back to them for a full refund. So I'll send it back to them, they'll send it back to ZT. The result is an angry customer who had to jump through hoops and waste money for no reason, an authorized ZT retailer who now has a disappointed customer PLUS has a lemon they have to give a refund for and send back for reimbursemeny, when ZT already has the knife in hand. They can correct the problem themselves, right now, resulting in a happy customer and a happy ZT retailer. I can't fathom what they're hoping to gain as a company from such poor customer service.
 
Oh I reached out to Great Lakes Outpost and they were awesome. They said send it back to them for a full refund. So I'll send it back to them, they'll send it back to ZT. The result is an angry customer who had to jump through hoops and waste money for no reason, an authorized ZT retailer who now has a disappointed customer PLUS has a lemon they have to give a refund for and send back for reimbursemeny, when ZT already has the knife in hand. They can correct the problem themselves, right now, resulting in a happy customer and a happy ZT retailer. I can't fathom what they're hoping to gain as a company from such poor customer service.

I don't know myself. I am old school, and will give just about anyone the benefit of a doubt. But once bitten, twice shy. There is one knife company that many are thrilled with here that sent me a piece of crap and the vendor wouldn't stand by it. I kept it on the top of my dresser to remind me never to buy that brand or from that vendor again for several years! (Don't worry... I didn't put either out of business and never heard from either again!)

Back on topic, I watched a lot of videos on both the ZT and the Kizer in question. I don't have either knives, but there is a lot of info out there on both that detail the pros and cons. I do have a couple of Kizer knives and a couple of ZTs. though. Wouldn't want to live on the edge of the difference in quality. Like the blade steel (S35) on the ZT more, but would probably give the Kizer a try based on what I was going to use it for and the price.

Robert
 
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