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Im just a little cranky now. Just post a pic of one of your bowies and I'll be fine.

How about pic of that one you made with the hamon and the ivory handle?:D


Hey, anyone one want to sell me some of bills cases? He wont sell them to me.:jerkit:
Thanks
Michael

Michael, does this make it all better?

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Hey, anyone one want to sell me some of bills cases? He wont sell them to me.:jerkit:
Thanks
Michael

I don't agree with Bill's manner in handling your e-mail, but after his bad experience with BladeGallery earlier this year, I would be cranky about pricing, also. Bill has worked hard to come up with the best product that is out there, built a business that has a hard time keeping up with demand and he is a good guy to work with. Some of us old farts don't handle ourselves well over the interent, myself included. I'd either call him, or take some of these other suggestions to try and find the next best cases out there. :thumbup:

- Joe
 
About 5 years ago I had the point of a bowie come through the end of a cheap case in shipping and out the end of the box. A collector told me that wont happen with a Bill's case. I called Bill :) and told him I wanted to order a couple cases for my big knives. He asked about the rest of my knives, I said I'd just use the cheap cases for them. He said he would replace all my cheap cases with his free of charge if I'd throw all those others in the trash. Been using Bill since and no shipping troubles.
 
Well, it would be silly to say that doesn't look like a pretty ugly exchange of emails. Not sure why exactly that went down like that and don't want to put words in anybody's mouth either.

However, the thing that Joe pointed out is certainly a big thorn in Bill's side.

The thing I can/will say is that Bill has ALWAYS come through for me. There's been times when I got sidetracked and forgot to order my cases. I'd call Bill, tell him what I needed, and it would be here in a matter of a couple days. And that's me ordering before the materials have even been cut from their roll.

I had the pleasure of touring Bill's shop, and it is a house that is the home of his case making operation. He just happens to sleep in it (when? I'm not sure, lol).

I can certainly understand the money saving idea, but I just factor the case into the cost of the knife.

I want everything in my delivered knife to be the best... best materials, best construction that I'm capable of, etc. and delivering them in the best case on the market is just part of that.

It isn't a have to... it's a choose to. Just FYI :)
 
Michael, ya should have called.:)

Bill has too much business and is under a good bit of stress. He works pretty much day and night, don't know how he does it. ...He doesn't need new customers but have never seen him turn down an order, except for dealers. ...

I checked his site and it states
"58 sizes to choose from. Please call for sizes and price."

and as Adam-Micheal mentioned
"The best way to contact me is through email: billscustomcases@earthlink.net"

It takes me lots of time to consider all the available options and consider what I need before I make a purchase. Anytime I rush a snap decision I almost always regret it..

I don't want to waste his time on the phone having him list all 58 sizes with their available options and pricing differences while I write it down.
That could easily take an hour of his time and a long distance telephone bill for me.

It would suit me best if he could list it all on the website and then I can call with exactly what I want, fully informed on size, materials, pricing...

I understand that he is operating a one man manufacturing firm that competes on product quality differentiation rather than price competition, but he could publish "list prices" and state volume discounting is available on request....or something like that.

It would save him from having to answer all the nuisance emails and phone calls that are annoying him and make his time more productive. Even having a published list, or pre-written emails that he can copy and paste for various requests would reduce the likelihood of sending super-short-curt-rude emails like the one posted above.

Saying it's ok he's just grumpy...may be overlooked once or twice, but would you accept that kind of response from your harrdware, or grocery store clerk?
 
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Like it or not, Bill operates like a custom knife maker, not like a small manufacturing firm.
He has no inventory, all orders are custom made to order.

I'm not saying it's the perfect way to do business, it's just the way Bill does business :)
 
is bill open to do custom sizes?....i know it says he is on his site...i'mscared to email though....maybe i'll call!:D....ryan
 
I just wanted to give my (unbiased) opinion about this situation. I am not trying to offend anyone.

I don't want to waste his time on the phone having him list all 58 sizes with their available options and pricing differences while I write it down.
That could easily take an hour of his time and a long distance telephone bill for me.

It would suit me best if he could list it all on the website and then I can call with exactly what I want, fully informed on size, materials, pricing...

Voice speaking is often much quicker than emails, so he could give you a couple options to narrow down to only 4 or 5 options of which you would like to hear more about. Listing 58 options on a website for each standard size would take forever to look through and forever to make/update. However, the long distance call would be on you, unless you used a cell phone, where all minutes are the same. I just feel that it is easier to communicate what you are looking for via phone.

Another thing about having a published list is that he appears to want customers who do not care how much the cases cost (they pass it to the buyers) instead of someone who would prefer a $3 case to a $10 just because that's $7 you didn't spend. It is also possible that he feels that if this same customer does not care about quality as much as price, he would prefer not to have his cases associated with items sold by this person. Like, if many inexperienced makers with lower quality products used his cases (as a selling point) his cases might seem more like they are lower quality to go along with what is inside.

I'm definitely not saying that anyone's knives aren't good enough for his cases, but other people who care more about quantity over quality may give his cases a bad rep.
 
I don't really have a pony in this race, but....

Look, I don't list prices on my site. I figure if a potential customer is interested in my product, he/she/it will contact me. However, when that potential customer does contact me (via phone, email, mental telepathy, etc), I'm not going to be rude or short to them, even if I don't really need their business.

I'm not dogging on Bill, and I know he's a good guy to those of you who use him, taking care of what his customers need reliably and swiftly. But bad manners are just that, and there's no quicker way to turn off a potential customer. No...forget that it's even a customer. If another man dismissed me like that, it's going to get my inner bear shook up. Maybe that's just my frail male ego talking. But the way I see it: have respect for your fellow man unless they show that they don't deserve it. But at least give them a chance to justify rudeness before dishing it out.

--nathan
 
Mike, ya pretty much nailed it with that post...

Ryan, Bill will make custom sizes. Best to call him ;)

I ordered 4 this morning, by phone :)
 
Of course this is just my opinion , and concerns all websites offering products :

I fail to see the reason to not at least list items with " a similar item such as this starts at $XXXX , please contact me for specifics. ".

Works for anything , a potential buyer see's something they are interested in , they wonder how much it is , now they have to find out by email or phone what the cost it.

Why not weed out those customers who are not in the market for a knife in your price range ? Save yourself some time answering emails.

Can you imagine doing the knife shows the same way ? Do you put your prices on your knives on the table , or do you force the customer to ask you for each price ? How would you like if you had to take every item from the grocery store to a wall mounted scanner to find the price.

A website should be used to attract and further your business , not to force the customer (or yourself ) to do more legwork. Even basic Guideline pricing , starting prices , a few examples of your work with pricing , would go a long way.

I fully understand each knife is different , all hand made , and there is no set price , but at least give the customer a starting point.

I guess you have to look at it as , do you want you website to be informational only or a place to advertise and attract sales ?
 
I don't really have a pony in this race, but....

Look, I don't list prices on my site. I figure if a potential customer is interested in my product, he/she/it will contact me. However, when that potential customer does contact me (via phone, email, mental telepathy, etc), I'm not going to be rude or short to them, even if I don't really need their business.

I'm not dogging on Bill, and I know he's a good guy to those of you who use him, taking care of what his customers need reliably and swiftly. But bad manners are just that, and there's no quicker way to turn off a potential customer. No...forget that it's even a customer. If another man dismissed me like that, it's going to get my inner bear shook up. Maybe that's just my frail male ego talking. But the way I see it: have respect for your fellow man unless they show that they don't deserve it. But at least give them a chance to justify rudeness before dishing it out.

--nathan

Gotta say... well said. I know that the knife makers and ancillary manufacturers here think they live and work in an environment that is completely different than any place else.

Not so.

If you went in a well recommended restaurant full of helpful people, anticipating to eat fine meal and they snipped you off when you asked what prime rib cost and told you to order or get out, what would you do? Would you chuckle and tell your friends that you knew they were doing the best they could? Would you have an excuse for the restaurant? I hope the parallel is obvious of a case maker and a restaurant.

You could substitute car dealership, health care provider, roofer, banker, etc. I can't imagine ordering a knife from a dealer or a maker and have him refuse to tell me what it would cost, considering that it is something he could probably ball park off the top of his head.

I have a small contracting business, and have been in business for many years now. While customers try my patience sorely from time to time, I never forget they pay my bills. When you have an email exchange as posted above, it is obvious he doesn't need more work, want more work, or that he cares about your business.

I get busy, I have too much to do (what small production company doesn't?) and in this economy I may literally stop sawing boards to answer my company phone (forwarded to my cell) while working on a jobsite. But I am not rude to my clients, EVER. I ask them to call back, or I take their number down, or stop what I am doing to talk to them.

After all, it's how I make my living. I am in a service/manufacturing business. They can go anywhere they want, and will. And I figure since I am certainly not the cheapest guy to have repair or remodel your home or office, I should take a moment to make my pitch, especially if it is my first contact.

I don't like rude people and have a bad tendency to call the out on the carpet and try to humiliate them if I am having a bad day. It burns off steam. They make nice targets.

In this case though, I am thinking that hurt feelings and being pissed off is completely out of place. Just go somewhere else. Bill won't know you did and probably wouldn't care if you did, he won't miss the business and or the sale. If he has plenty of work, good for him! Since he obviously takes care of some of the folks he works with, maybe he should concentrate on his core group, and just tell folks he isn't taking anymore orders right now.

Find someone you can work with to get product, service and price and don't let the other guys get under your skin.

As always, just my 0.02.

Robert
 
Works for anything , a potential buyer see's something they are interested in , they wonder how much it is , now they have to find out by email or phone what the cost it.

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Can you imagine doing the knife shows the same way ? Do you put your prices on your knives on the table , or do you force the customer to ask you for each price ? How would you like if you had to take every item from the grocery store to a wall mounted scanner to find the price.

The difference is that Bill's cases are not made ahead of time and waiting on the counter to sell. If they were, he should have set prices available, but they are all made to order.

By your logic, if someone were to ask you how much a 10" knife would cost, you would have trouble setting a price, as there are many variables, such as steel, shape, handle materials, finish level, type of sheath, etc. You can't just say "Oh, a 10" knife will cost $100." You would need to know some specifics. And if the customer does not know much about types of steel, it may be easiest to call you and speak verbally about which type would best suit his need. This is also true with these cases. There are too many variables along with the cases, that it could take weeks (depending on rate of contact) figuring out what the needed specs are to be able to determine a price via email.

Again, I'm just trying to be unbiased with my opinions. Please don't take offense to anything I say.
 
No offense taken Mike , great points , but he could have an example and say my basic cases start at XXX with XXX materials , which is indeed what I do if a customer inquires about having me make them a knife , however I dont have a website and I don't take orders , but I can email them pictures and inform them of what the materials used were on that one and what the price is.

If I did this for a living instead of a hobby , I would have a website , and it would have baseline or example pricing , give the customer a reference , a starting point.

What I don't do is force a someone to inquire and then get snippy with them in return , and yes I know others have said " it is best to call him " , though his website indicates email is the best contact.

If you ask around , the majority will tell you , clear pictures and pricing are the best way to nail a sale from a website.

Like anything , communication is key , if you can't communicate the info via your website , you sure better be able to do it by phone AND email.
 
I think we have discussed this enough. Thanks for the suggestions and comments.
Stacy
 
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