Knife destruction test question

BS Monk , I had a knife fail on me that could have taken my life! You better believe I want to know now how much these knives can withstand. Chopping wood and the next thing I know 14 inches of blade is flying and I am left ducking and holding a handle and thanking the lord my children were not there
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Chopping wood, and hammering a knife through steel pipes/concrete aren't even in the same ballpark of use.

If you have the space for a tough fixed blade (and the percieved need) to do so much PRYING, then carry a smaller knife and a gosh darn PRYBAR.

The destruction tests were really FUN to watch. They weren't even remotely scentific, unbiased (Noss was a Busse/kin fan BEFORE doing all those videos) or any basis for choosing a kinfe for actual KNIFE tasks. They WERE quite entertaining (like when he used an air cannon to shoot a bushman thru a TV) and gave a very, very general sence of what a knife was capable of is GROSSLY abused.

But in the end, if I sharpened a jackhammer bit and gave it to Noss, it would come out on top. That doesn't mean that it would be some AWESOMEBADASSSUPERKIN knife, it would just mean that it was TOUGH, not good. A knife only needs to be strong enough to stand up to it's intended use, period.
 
I agree Toxie, Noss was a fan of Busse before, even when he had his site, he had links to Busse Combat, for a "independent tester" it didn't look good... for all we know he could have compromised other brand knives by heating/quick cooling or anything along those lines, he was fun to watch, but that's about it.
 
Bowxpress said:
I agree Toxie, Noss was a fan of Busse before, even when he had his site, he had links to Busse Combat, for a "independent tester" it didn't look good... for all we know he could have compromised other brand knives by heating/quick cooling or anything along those lines, he was fun to watch, but that's about it.
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That's the new cospirecy that need to be proved? I read before that Busse paying Him off...doesn't prove anything!?
 
JAMerolle said:
For what it's worth destruction test very important , much in the same way crash testing cars has lead us to safe cars or at least identifying thos that are not. But for the tests to be valid and give a measurable outcome from knife to knife steel to steel there needs to be reliability in the testing methods to render some objectivity
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Destroying a knife does not lead to a statistically significant result. Nor can any of the multitude of variables be controlled to satisfy meaningful measurement. It is more akin to trying to correlate a Nascar wreck with street performance. It tells us nothing about how the knife will behaive in ordinary use.

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if you want to debate statistical significance, 1 data point is more than none, and although it leaves an undefined level of uncertainty, you have learned something, which becomes increasingly more significant as your test intensity gets further beyond your practical application intensity.
 
and anybody can evaluate their own blades in normal use. That isn't the point of a destruction test.
 
If you want to know whats the toughest knife based on someones video, than its the Ginsu knife. Heck I watched them on the TV, hammer on it and cut a brick and it still cut a tomato! Hey and it even has a free lifetime , just pay$15.95 shipping for a 50 cent knife. Yea the Ginsu's the toughest knife.
 
Ok now that we have established a need for testing and we don't have objective testing established can we start a subjective poll as to which knives can take the most abuse? Please list model numbers with name so I can buy the one that comes up the most as number one. Also can we include prices on the suggested. Thanks for all the feedback thus far
 
Toxie said:
Chopping wood, and hammering a knife through steel pipes/concrete aren't even in the same ballpark of use.

If you have the space for a tough fixed blade (and the percieved need) to do so much PRYING, then carry a smaller knife and a gosh darn PRYBAR.

The destruction tests were really FUN to watch. They weren't even remotely scentific, unbiased (Noss was a Busse/kin fan BEFORE doing all those videos) or any basis for choosing a kinfe for actual KNIFE tasks. They WERE quite entertaining (like when he used an air cannon to shoot a bushman thru a TV) and gave a very, very general sence of what a knife was capable of is GROSSLY abused.

But in the end, if I sharpened a jackhammer bit and gave it to Noss, it would come out on top. That doesn't mean that it would be some AWESOMEBADASSSUPERKIN knife, it would just mean that it was TOUGH, not good. A knife only needs to be strong enough to stand up to it's intended use, period.
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No one can predict the intended use for a knife across a life time or two if you deside to pass the knife down to your son
 
Dorito Monk said:
Did it ever occur to you that the problem was that you were chopping wood with a knife in the first place instead of using a proper tool? :confused: :rolleyes:

Also, if weight is such a big issue, then why not just carry a folding saw and a pocket knife instead of one of these two-pound prybars or machetes? You can do all the camp chores you need to, with the added bonus that your knife can actually be used to cut things. :thumbup:
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There are tons of knives made for chopping. If you can't understand this simple fact then you have serious problems.
 
Bowxpress said:
I agree Toxie, Noss was a fan of Busse before, even when he had his site, he had links to Busse Combat, for a "independent tester" it didn't look good... for all we know he could have compromised other brand knives by heating/quick cooling or anything along those lines, he was fun to watch, but that's about it.
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No I wasn't a fan of Busse before the test. I didn't even own one. I had an original battle Mistress I bought at the gun show many years before. I never used it and I didn't know much of anything about it. I sold it without knowing anything about it several years before the test. I just bought it because it was a big nice looking knife. I had the Busse link on the site for a reason. Jerry Busse wanted to confirm that I was the one who owned the site. So I told him I would put a link on the main page to confirm I was the owner of the site. Simple as this. Yes after the test I am a fan of Busse knives now.
 
singularity35 said:
1. Thickest
2. Thicker
3. Thick
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Nope. This it total BS on your part. Some of the thinnest knives I tested were many, many times tougher than their much thicker counter parts. The Bushman and the GI tanto and the CS kukri machete are very thin and lasted a very long time.The machete completely survived the tests. Thickness alone does not make a tough knife. So you don't know much of anything your are talking about.
 
Lets discuss and address the subject and not the other posters, please.
 
I would love to see the Cold Steel Bushman and G.I. Tanto tests again, those and the Cold Steel Kukri machete blew everything else away!!!
 
If you want pure toughness with good edge retention then try any fixed blade in CPM 3V.
 
bdmicarta said:
I work in a highrise building and who knows if I would have to cut my way out sometime so I have a knife that I consider to be relatively tough (it did well in the Noss tests) in my emergency bag in the office.
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I'm not trying to give you a hard time bdmicarta, but if you are concerned about being trapped in a office building, and if you are willing to keep tools on hand to help you and others escape, I don't understand why, of all tools available, would you choose a knife?

I would imagine a good prybar and maybe a hatchet would be far more suitable for "breaking out" of a building than ANY knife on the market. I could understand using a knife if you carry that knife with you all day and it's all you have with you at the time, but if you are actually going to keep tools around for a specific purpose, then why not choose the best possible tools for that job that you could reasonably have.

Also, what would your employers think if they knew that you had a knife at work? Unless you are the boss, most employers I know of would frown heavily on having "weapons" at work and you might easily lose your job as a result.

By the way, I personally would also add a small fire extinguisher and a couple of good flashlights to an emergency bag if I worked in any building that I might possibly be trapped in. And I would (and do) always carry at least one flashlight on my person at all times. A good multi-tool is also a good thing to carry, though it might be necessary to remove the blade for the workplace.
 
Channellock makes a pretty handy and reasonably priced rescue tool if you are looking for a dedicated tool to escape from an office building.
 
tell me those videos arent fun to watch at least... may not be perfect, but they are at least a decent indicator of toughness, i'll give him that.
 
Toxie said:
A knife only needs to be strong enough to stand up to it's intended use, period.
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Now sir, that statement is far too intelligent and makes far too much sense. Clearly it has no place in this discussion. :D

I hear what people say about "If I'm in an extreme situation I want a knife that can do more than what it was designed for". But I wonder what the chances really are of such people ever actually being in such situations. How many people say they want a knife that can chop through a wall in case they are ever trapped in the crumbling wreckage of a building (as in the world trade center/911 attack), but in reality, they NEVER actually carry that knife with them, so they wouldn't even have it with them if they ever were trapped in a crumbling building. Reality versus knife-fantasy.

Or how about all the people who want a knife that can chop down a tree and split it into firewood in case they are ever stranded in the deep woods. But in reality, they never get closer to the woods than their own back yard.

I can't help but imagine some knife manufacturers having a really good laugh at all the "knife-tourture-destruction test" talk. I imagine them laughing and saying "HA! We got these people to pay hundreds of dollars for a knife so they can chop through a cinderblock. Like they're ever gonna need to do that". Yep, I'll bet they're laughing all the way to the bank.
 
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