"knife-like instruments" used by Hijackers

If they did use "knife-like objects" and successfully hijacked the planes for their suicide missions, rest assured this is a one time deal for those SOB terrorists.
Passengers on future flights now know they are gonna die and will likely swarm these bastards and show little pity when they pull their "knife-like objects". When they take the terrorist's body offa that plane, they'll need a freezer size Glad bag for what's left of him.:D
 
When dozens of people can be taken hostage by two or three men with knives and box cutters, we have seen the sheeple mentality manifested at its very worst.

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Edited 9/12/01: I'd like to clarify that I am in no way criticizing the victims of these crimes. My original comments were intended to criticize the society that fosters the attitude, "comply and it will be okay" in the face of armed intimidation. On further reflection, though, there are plenty of reasons (as have been pointed out by several posters) why those on board might have done as they were told that have nothing to do with the attitude I perceived as the problem. I would love to be wrong in my initial reaction to this -- and with any luck I am.
 
It is a terrible tragedy and beyond description. I agree that it is a shame that people can be herded by box cutters which it appears may be the case. Sure it would have been great if someone had tried to stop the hijackers and perhaps someone did try. These what if scenarios are always problematic.

I know one thing for sure: Absolutely no knife whatsoever will be allowed on future flights in the Unites States. I guarantee it's coming.:(
 
Peter Atwood wrote :
I know one thing for sure: Absolutely no knife whatsoever will be allowed on future flights in the Unites States. I guarantee it's coming.
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That is both completely sad and completely true.:(
And non-metallic knives on board will be a federal offense PDQ.
 
Guys - The Israelies train their people in self defense and issue them weapons. When's the last time you heard of an Israeli plane being hi-jacked? We need to arm our populace and train them, not disarm them and leave them nearly helpless in the face of "boxcutters."
 
<b>"When dozens of people can be taken hostage by two or three men with knives and box cutters, we have seen the sheeple mentality manifested at its very worst."</b>

Heart breaking but true Razor, however I have to believe that on at least one plane, not all the passengers were sheeple. We'll probably never know why that plane crashed west of Pittsburg, but I hope there was at least one brave soul with the will to say "I will not allow this."

<b>"Guys - The Israelies train their people in self defense and issue them weapons. When's the last time you heard of an Israeli plane being hi-jacked? We need to arm our populace and train them, not disarm them and leave them nearly helpless in the face of "boxcutters.""</b>

Amen Steelhed, Amen.
 
I fully agree with what has been said. I think that the first thing the airlines should do is create a secure cockpit that can't be easily breeched. The banks and post offices do it, it's time for the airlines to follow suit.

Axel
 
Originally posted by Axel Yup
I fully agree with what has been said. I think that the first thing the airlines should do is create a secure cockpit that can't be easily breeched. The banks and post offices do it, it's time for the airlines to follow suit.

Axel
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True enough. I'd much rather see that solution than banning knives.

Mike
 
Boy! I'm going to take a beating when I get into work tomorrow, they always pick on me when there has been something in the news concerning knives or knife related news and then it's like ALL my fault! Even my wife and kids tonight when they heard the news they turned and looked at me like `I told you knives were dangerous!!'

reminds me of a quote from a novel I read a while back, made it my signature line for a while;

<center>"There are no dangerous weapons;
there are only dangerous men."
.......... Robert A. Heinlein, 1959</center>

So very true!

G2
 
Aren't knives already illegal to carry on planes? How would making them more illegal help anything?
I got the same response today Gary.
 
Projection. . . You won't be able to carry a finger nail clipper within 100' of a airport !

A comment to the terrorist communities. . . You are COWARDS ! BASTARDS ! I present my left hand to you ! I pray and hope that our future crosses for I will show you "the sting !"
 
I wonder if the passengers ever knew the final destination of the plane. They probably only thought they were going to be held for randson, since a plane has never been used in this manner before. Only in the final moments did they realize what the crazed madmen's real intentions were. I do not blame them for not trying to retaliate against the hijackers because first of all, they were flying the plane. Second, they probably only discovered of their fate seconds before they died. It is just a horrible situation.
 
Originally posted by Belstain
Aren't knives already illegal to carry on planes?
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No, they aren't. FAA regulations permit non-automatic knives with 4" blades or less. Some airports and airlines have more restrictive regulations, but I'm not aware of any in the US that absolutely ban all knives.

I have probably never been on an airplane without a knife. I tend to leave my tacticals at home, but that still leaves me with a multi-tool (Gerber Legend), a SAK (Victorinox SwissChamp XLT), a miniature multi-tool (SOG CrossGrip), a credit card tool (Tool Logic Deluxe) in my wallet, and a plain-edge Spyderco Ladybug on my keychain.

The sad thing is that I've used my various tools pretty regularly while on board planes and had flight attendants borrow them several times. I guess that will have to end. :(

--Bob Q
 
I remember reading that Israelites also allow their teachers to carry concealed firearms in wake of a school shooting many years ago. The number of school involved shootings has dropped dramatically..Something out government would never have the nerve to even suggest.

Chris
 
As I sit here typing this in the Washington DC area, I am acutely aware of what sounds like about 3-4 choppers flying by. But overall, it's very strange to hear such silence in the sky (usually lots of planes and choppers are routine here).

Earlier this evening we saw an AWACS plane fly by together with a couple of fighters farther in the distance. Everyone now immediately looks up when they hear planes/choppers, when previously they were ignored. My little kindergardener was scared when he heard those sounds this time, usually he doesn't care.

But now they're gone, it's back to the strange silence.

I'll need to decide whether or not to bring my EDC to my federal office tomorrow. My wife suggests not, but I'll have to think about it. Is tomorrow the appropriate time to make a statement? Not clear if I'll be searched, security at many buildings will be searching all packages and checking under cars entering garages, etc.

Let's hope we don't lose to the terrorists by paying too dearly for THEIR hideous acts with OUR freedoms.

Prayers for those who are suffering and have lost loved ones.

David

Especially now, it seems I can't complain. Everyone should be so lucky as to have my problems.
 
"When dozens of people can be taken hostage by two or three men with knives and box cutters, we have seen the sheeple mentality manifested at its very worst." -Razoredge

Razoredge, as a long-standing member of this forum, I've gotta say this is one instance where I don't really understand or appreciate your cynism. Perhaps you can clarify?

And as for the general flavor of this thread, don't get me wrong, I've loved cutlery, studying knife-fighting styles, and guns for that matter my entire life, but somehow the future of my "knife rights" is not a real key issue on my mind right now.

Professor.
 
Folks, I have heard of no "confirmed" reports of weapons used to commandeer these aircraft, by these BGs. Are we jumping to conclusions that blades were involved??? Let's back off 'til we get the answers. I've been on many flights with my L'man - no problem. Obviously all blades can be a hazard to the crew/safe flight situation, in the wrong hands / other side is that an offered blade can/helped flight personnel in an emergency. With this latest catastrophy we can look for more vigorous laws / regulations in the offing that affect air travel and the RIGHT to self-defense. Let's all be aware of the legislative process that "may" protect us, while at the same time curtail our RIGHT to defend ouselves at all times.
 
I have to fly next week. I guess I'll see what the new atmosphere will be like real soon. I'm not gonna try to carry anything on my person besides maybe a Leatherman Micra, everything else will be in the luggage compartment. Given the current tragedy, my own personal habits have to come second to general safety.
 
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