Knife people should know better!

asdf12345 said:
A couple of hard wrist flicks shouldn't do any damage to a strong, well made knife. If they do, your knife was either about to give out anyhow or was not strongly constructed to begin with.
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This statement seems to imply all knives are made to accomplish the same goal and are made the same way. Some knives such as the sebenza are NOT designed to be flicked open and is considered abuse by the maker. A knife can be designed and made plenty strong for its task as a knife yet not extend to whipping it opened like that. And whether the transmission in my car can handle 5000 rpm clutch drops is irrelavent. Dont treat things as if you own them when you dont period.
 
I treat other peoples property better than I treat my own. I wouldn't do any of the things mentioned without asking.

I dry fire some of my guns quite a bit. It is a very good training tool and can help you shoot handguns much better. I also dry fire other peoples guns IF they are striker fired and IF I have asked permission first. It's important to know what guns it will damage and which it will not.
 
Nope, hard flicking your knife A COUPLE of times won't hurt a thing. I certainly have done it with most of mine. Another true, albeit cul-de-sac, statement.....

This subject demands, in the style of 'Cracker and Lynn Thompson knife-snuff videos, ultra slow motion videos of some large guy with the gravy stains wrist flicking a few 'high-end' knives as hard as he can....really making them snap.

Show what happens in nano-time to all those "indestructible material" stress points: see the stop pin bend, watch the pivot pull against the scale and deform it, and the lock overshoot its regular latch point on the blade face....then how all those points flex again to regain original position. All in less than the blink of an eye.

Sort of like when one of the MMA guys hits someone with a good shot and you see the face deform to space creature, and the sweat fly off like he was hit with a .50-cal....all sub--momentary; exactly when all the damage is done.​

Why in the world have the knife wreckers and myth-busters NOT covered this to any extent in video?

Every time I hear people talk about how there's no harm done from long-term practice of this I think of people who believe in the five second rule when they drop their salami Hot Pocket on the bathroom floor while they're bumming a cigarette from their 12-year-old.

EDIT: ooops....was I off topic here?
 
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It doesn't really bother me. I rarely hand my knife to someone and the one time they open it, if they happen to open it hard is not
going to damage my knife.

Try handing it to them already opened, or not at all.
 
All of this stuff is bad, but I also get irked when people have no clue how to even open or close it. I mean come on people, a sebenza doesn't need to be opened with two hands like a buck 110. Sure it's better than a sorta in the know person wrist flicking them open, but it's still downright painful to watch the uninitiated try to use my knives.

Oh and don't get me started on how they can't figure out how to even hold them right....... Why did sal go through all of that trouble to make knives with intuitive designs if everyone still completely misses the point of the thumb ramp/hole upon first inspection?

"Make a slicing motion like you would for cutting on a cutting board with your thumb forward"......

"OH!! Ok now I get it!" :rolleyes:


*Slightly off topic rant over*
 
PURPLEDC said:
This statement seems to imply all knives are made to accomplish the same goal and are made the same way. Some knives such as the sebenza are NOT designed to be flicked open and is considered abuse by the maker. A knife can be designed and made plenty strong for its task as a knife yet not extend to whipping it opened like that. And whether the transmission in my car can handle 5000 rpm clutch drops is irrelavent. Don't treat things as if you own them when you dont period.
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My point exactly. Respect other people's property.
 
Converge said:
Oh god that's the worst... Handing someone a knife and watching them try to figure out how to close it for 30 seconds ... No matter how much you try to explain where the closing mechanism is, they fumble around with it as you cringe wanting to just grab it out of their hand or be a dick and just say "freaking give it to me already!" I know you guys know exactly what I'm saying. I can remember a few times in my memory. Never were they really nice knives though, those I wouldn't let anyone else use except another knife person like one of you guys
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THIS. I don't understand what is so hard about a simple lock mechanism, or why it befuddles people.
 
WK ONE said:
THIS. I don't understand what is so hard about a simple lock mechanism, or why it befuddles people.
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There really are some people in the world who have no clue, and couldn't get a clue if they were standing in a field of clues, covered in clue urin, during clue mating season.
 
ebidis said:
There really are some people in the world who have no clue, and couldn't get a clue if they were standing in a field of clues, covered in clue urin, during clue mating season.
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Which is why I don't risk it!I have also noticed many who,due to the disposable nature of most consumer goods today, don't even comprehend why anything should be cared for or preserved for the future.They treat everything as disposable!This and the fact that many are cretins who don't have a drop of etiquette or respect in them and will actually laugh when they ruin your things.

When I was a kid I observed my elders behaving much better in this regard than what is common today.

This is regrettable to say the least.Watch people by doors or getting in line...they are not as considerate as they used to be...
 
WK ONE said:
THIS. I don't understand what is so hard about a simple lock mechanism, or why it befuddles people.
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What gets me is when they cant figure it out yet wont give it back and refuse to give up. Then they start trying to bend the damn thing and your thinking "seriously?" Just stop it.......
 
Most people refuse to learn anything because it means that they were wrong before and they don't want to admit that. Look at how people react when someone corrects their grammar.

It's ok to make mistakes. It's ok to not know everything. However, using mistakes as opportunities to learn seems to be lost on nearly everyone. Instead of using a situation where they don't know something as simply another learning opportunity, they refuse to admit their ignorance. So then we end up with people who have no idea how to close a slipjoint, liner lock, frame lock, or any other kind of knife. They get that look on their face like you just asked them to analytically solve a partial differential equation: "wtf is going on here??".

So in the end, if you're going to hand your knife to someone, give out the disclaimers. Explain how to use the knife first. Even then, I suggest not letting people use your gear. I've read far too many horror stories on here.
 
This happened to me with a Spyderco folder I let someone handle. The first thing they did was to start wrist-flicking it open and closed at least a dozen times. I should have spoke up but I didn't. Even so, the knife was still fine, no lost functionality. But people ought to know better.
 
So wrist flicking on to not knowing how to close it, it all pisses you guys off. Obviously you didn't just hand your knife to some stranger on the street
so it's likely a family member, co-worker or friend/acquaintance. Why don't you take a half of a minute to show them how to operate your knife to include
your preferred method of opening, use and closing. Maybe they won't piss you off so badly and perhaps they may even gain a greater appreciation for the tool.

A hard flick opening once in a great while (hopefully you don't allow this to happen to yourself too often if you hate it so much) isn't going to hurt the knife. Also
on dry firing being harmful to the weapon, that's mainly for rim fire guns. All of my other firearms have been dry fired with no harm. How else are
you going to know if you like the trigger on that new 1911 you are thinking about buying or how about dropping the hammer before storage?

Everyone is going to have a differing opinion on this but basically, if it pisses you off, be sure to take measures to not allow it to happen to you. Very similar
to not allowing some noob to crash your new motorcycle or preventing a negligent discharge by not handing some rookie a loaded firearm. You KNOW they
are going to put their finger on the trigger when they grab it, so you remove the ammunition prior to handing it to them and ideally give them a safety brief.

Treat your wrist flicking issue like a negligent discharge and take measures to prevent it and you'll be g2g.
 
I would have to assume that most non knife people have learned to handle knives by watching TV and going to the movies. I am talking about people that never had grown ups around that carried a blade. If I am correct, that explains much of the stupid behavior among the masses. Maybe among some blade heads too.

Your right, knife people should know better. So should non knife people for that matter. Just good manners to ask if you don't know about things.
 
Jason B. said:
Actually, I would, just for you :)

Because I don't like mustangs...

CRK might classify it as abuse but how would you determine in which way the damage occurred unless the owner of said knife stated specifically?
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I think I read somewhere that CRK said only wrist flicking is considered abuse as it wears out the stop pin very quickly and can cause play and such. Thumb flicking is fine.
 
josephrogers said:
I think I read somewhere that CRK said only wrist flicking is considered abuse as it wears out the stop pin very quickly and can cause play and such. Thumb flicking is fine.
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Yeah, with those gigantic 1/4" CRK stop-pins, I can't see moderate thumb-flicking as a problem, and wrist action isn't necessary. Many flippers, assisted openers and automatics have smaller stop-pins, and still seem to hold up okay -- even when the kinetic force generated is ridiculously powerful.

Regarding the thread topic, I do agree that 'knife people' should know better than to use wrist action when opening someone else's knife. No, it probably won't do any harm, but anyone who knows knives will also recognize that some knife owners are concerned that it could cause imperceptible wear. Whether it does or doesn't is beside the point; when handling a knife that doesn't belong to you, it's best to show respect by being cautious.

On the other hand, if it's a knife you value highly, and you get a bit twitchy when another man so much as looks at it, don't bring it along for show and tell. Even if you're generally cool with other knife-aficionados checking a knife out and flicking it open, letting non-users handle a blade is always a gamble. Some will treat it very carefully, examining a closed folder like it's a Rubix-cube filled with nitro-glycerin... but then you've got the douchebags who want to cut cans in half, or use a Shirogorov as a throwing knife.
 
skyhorse said:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but we live in a Country where over 50% of the population are MORONS.
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Just my observations, but I think you have seriously underestimated the percentage of morons. Add to morons, the ignorant, entitled, etiquette-deficient, me first folks and you have a good reason not to let anyone use your personal property. As Jackknife suggests, it almost always ends badly. I am very respectful of the property of others. I would never, for example, do the wrist slam to close a revolver cylinder although I see others do (not to my guns.)
 
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