Knife people should know better!

[PURPLEDC]

I think I read somewhere that CRK said only wrist flicking is considered abuse as it wears out the stop pin very quickly and can cause play and such. Thumb flicking is fine.

Not just the stop pin but after the blade hits the stop pin in wants to bounce off it so then that energy gos into the lockface. I have seen sebbies with crushed lockfaces. It isnt pretty. Now that deformation is from habitual wrist flicking. I dont think occasionally doing so is of any great concern. But to the same effect if its not needed why do it? When i see someone open a knife like that, I roll my eyes. Some people seem to look at it as a sign of the supreme ninja.

 

[TheBladeMerchant]

I had a young guy come in the store a month or so ago and was looking around. He usually buys cheaper CRKT's and Kershaw's. I happened to be showing some Benchmade's to another customer and had a 761 Titanium out on the counter. The kid comes over and after a few seconds grabs the knife and wrist flicks it open about as hard as he could. I mean Mike Tyson punch hard. He closed it and I held my hand out and asked him to never do it again.....suprisingly in a very pleasant way....inside I wanted to nut punch him.

 

[NJBillK]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but we live in a Country where over 50% of the population are MORONS.

HEY! I resemble that comment...




I don't appreciate it when people do it with my knives, though I have done so to my own in the past, though I don't do it regularly nor do it intentionally.

We will see how much damage is incurred from the forceful opening of a knife that wrist flicking inflicts. Unfortunately we will have to wait 20+ years to be able to compare them to the slipjoints that have survived 80+ years that are still Fantastic users.

 

[Ryanol]

Knives are tools. Use hard put away wet. When it wears out buy another one.

Same thing with guns & cars too - what fun is a tool you have to handle with kid gloves?

Of course I've never bought a truly highend knife. My spendiest knife is a DDR balisong and it was less than 500 bucks.

 

[NJBillK]

Knives are tools. Use hard put away wet. When it wears out buy another one.

Same thing with guns & cars too - what fun is a tool you have to handle with kid gloves?

Of course I've never bought a truly highend knife. My spendiest knife is a DDR balisong and it was less than 500 bucks.

Do you own any older traditional knives? Like a Koch from 1910, or even a Hammer brand from the 1930s? I do, and I am sure they have seen Plenty of use but little abuse.

Just because a knife is a tool, doesn't mean it should Have to stand up to unreasonably tough operating circumstances. A knife is normally used to cut things, if you want to flip something around, get a Bali, a knife built with the intention of flipping it around, or a cold steel...

 

[ebidis]

Knives are tools. Use hard put away wet. When it wears out buy another one.

Same thing with guns & cars too - what fun is a tool you have to handle with kid gloves?

Of course I've never bought a truly highend knife. My spendiest knife is a DDR balisong and it was less than 500 bucks.

Once again missing the point. The point is doing this to other people's knives or guns is not cool!:thumbdn: You can do what you want with your own stuff.

I'd say a $500 DDR balisong is pretty high end. I would consider that spendy enough.

 

[afishhunter]

I don't see the harm in flicking a knife open, they are typically made of steel and you are causing NO harm. I've flicked open all of my knives for over 23 years now and never had a problem.

I flick knives, dry fire guns (what's wrong with dry firing guns?) and redline motors until the passengers scream. Life is too short to be worried about the flicking of a knife.

In answer to your question "what's wrong with dry firing guns?"
Dry firing will crystalize the firing pin, causing it to break. Dry firing also can cause the firing pin to travel farther than required to discharge a cartridge, which can cause the firing pin spring to break.

 

[Jason B.]

Thanks, I've been an active pistol shooter for more than 15 years now including USPSA, bowling pin shoots and lots of range time indoor and out. I also have my permit and carry daly, you could say I'm fairly knowledgable on the subject of handguns and their care.

While your explanation is plausible the possibility of this happening on a modern firearm is very slim.

 

[Bigfattyt]

Nothing like handing a new revolver to a "trained" individual and having them spin the cylinder hard, then snap it closed like they are trying to trap a bear!

(He was a police officer, and Swat Team in a large city).

When I explained, he apologized. I was just mind blown surprised he had decades of firearms experience and had never heard that it was bad foe the gun. (I grew up with him, shooting and hunting so I know he had the life lomg experience).

I will occasionally add a bit of wrist to certain knives, when opening, but only my own knives.

I always tell my older brother not to flick any non slip joint I hand him. He is incapable of opening a knife with out a gorilla flip!

 

[ebidis]

Thanks, I've been an active pistol shooter for more than 15 years now including USPSA, bowling pin shoots and lots of range time indoor and out. I also have my permit and carry daly, you could say I'm fairly knowledgable on the subject of handguns and their care.

While your explanation is plausible the possibility of this happening on a modern firearm is very slim.

Ok, I have broken the firing pins on 2 guns by using them for dry fire practice. A S&W 642 snubbie, and a gen 4 Glock 17. That's right, I said I broke off the tip of the striker on a Glock by dry firing it. Imagine my surprise when I went to the range, loaded it and it wouldn't go bang. The S&W firing pin didn't break, but there is some kind of nylon bushing around the pin, and either that got damaged, or the spring, because the pin would just flop out and not recess back into the frame as it should, and this caused the cylinder to lock up.

The store where I bought the Glock replaced the striker free of charge.

I sent an email to S&W requesting repair, and never got a response. I sold the S&W.

I no longer dry fire practice without snap caps.

 

[bdmicarta]

Dry firing will crystalize the firing pin, causing it to break.

I don't even know where to start with this. Dry firing can cause metal to fatigue and initiate a fatigue crack, but it can't change the crystalline structure of the metal, only very high heat can do that. Steel is already a crystalline material, when something fatigue cracks the crack surface just displays the crystalline structure. It had the same structure before it cracked.
Doesn't detract from the point though- some guns can be dry fired with little or no damage, others can't. The owner can seek knowledgeable advice and make up his own mind what he wants to do with his gun.

Knives are tools. Use hard put away wet. When it wears out buy another one.
Same thing with guns & cars too - what fun is a tool you have to handle with kid gloves?

The point is... "You can't do that to my ___, only I can do that to my ___."


The parallel about borrowing knives is usually "can I borrow your wife/girlfriend?" Introduce your wife/girlfriend to someone and they should not immediately grab the lady and start doing inappropriate things.

 

[ebidis]

The point is... "You can't do that to my ___, only I can do that to my ___."


The parallel about borrowing knives is usually "can I borrow your wife/girlfriend?" Introduce your wife/girlfriend to someone and they should not immediately grab the lady and start doing inappropriate things.

Well played sir, well played.:thumbup:

 

[Ryanol]

I hand my DDR to anyone that wants to play with it. It's just a knife. I explain that they need to hold the safe handle if they don't want to get cut. That's about it. I drop it all the time. I don't really care if they drop it.

 

[Ryanol]

The bottom line is: etiquette is subjective...if it really bothers you that much you probably should politely decline a request to chicken finger your knives.

 

[skyhorse]

Just my observations, but I think you have seriously underestimated the percentage of morons.

Lol,your right . I was trying to be gentle.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Knives are tools. Use hard put away wet. When it wears out buy another one.

Same thing with guns & cars too - what fun is a tool you have to handle with kid gloves?

Of course I've never bought a truly highend knife. My spendiest knife is a DDR balisong and it was less than 500 bucks.

. And that is a perfectly fine attitude to have............... With your own stuff. This is more about how you treat the possessions of others. Your views on what knives are and to be used for is an opinion. And opinions will differ from one person or the next. And its MY opinion that we should never assume how other do or should be treating their own possessions. So even if i didnt feel as if i should have to handle someone elses knife with kids gloves, i will out of respect until the owner instructs me otherwise.

The bottom line is: etiquette is subjective...if it really bothers you that much you probably should politely decline a request to chicken finger your knives.

It is subjective. That is correct. Knowing that why assume your way is the way it should be for all and if I dont like it dont hand you my knife? Isnt it a bit less narcissistic just to treat someone elses property with as much respect as possible Until you know how they feel about such a thing? Or are you so confident in your way of thinking that you would treat anything as if it were your own and others either conform or get over it?

 

[Jrmysell]

I know this wasn't mentioned, but in the dry firing debate, yes, some guns can be dry fired, some cannot, however, bows should never be dry fired.

 

[Ryanol]

. And that is a perfectly fine attitude to have............... With your own stuff. This is more about how you treat the possessions of others. Your views on what knives are and to be used for is an opinion. And opinions will differ from one person or the next. And its MY opinion that we should never assume how other do or should be treating their own possessions. So even if i didnt feel as if i should have to handle someone elses knife with kids gloves, i will out of respect until the owner instructs me otherwise.





It is subjective. That is correct. Knowing that why assume your way is the way it should be for all and if I dont like it dont hand you my knife? Isnt it a bit less narcissistic just to treat someone elses property with as much respect as possible Until you know how they feel about such a thing? Or are you so confident in your way of thinking that you would treat anything as if it were your own and others either conform or get over it?

Ppl don't know its disrespectful to wrist flick, non knife people certainly don't and a large portion of knife ppl don't either.

But in all honesty its a nonissue for me most of my friends are or the "use your shit" not the "handle with care" type. It makes it a lot easier when the guy whose dobruski or baliballistic your handling says "giver hell".

It's best to assume the person your handing your knife too has less stringent ideas about etiquette than you do. That's all I'm saying. If your concerned about your knives ability to handle a drop or wrist flick you might be better off leaving it in the safe or keeping it in your pocket.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Ppl don't know its disrespectful to wrist flick, non knife people certainly don't and a large portion of knife ppl don't either.

But in all honesty its a nonissue for me most of my friends are or the "use your shit" not the "handle with care" type. It makes it a lot easier when the guy whose dobruski or baliballistic your handling says "giver hell".

It's best to assume the person your handing your knife too has less stringent ideas about etiquette than you do. That's all I'm saying. If your concerned about your knives ability to handle a drop or wrist flick you might be better off leaving it in the safe or keeping it in your pocket.

I kinda get your point I think. If your that worried about it err on the side of caution and leave nothing to chance. Still I dont exactly see a persons ignorance as an excuse for their negligence or incompetence. I would argue both parties should err on the side of caution. And if I do hand you my knife to examine, then do all the examination you like but manipulation should best be inquired about if it has not been made clear prior.

 

[stabman]

It makes it a lot easier when the guy whose dobruski or baliballistic your handling says "giver hell".

But you're talking about balisongs...of course someone is going to flip a balisong, since that's the main thing they get used for.
Likewise, if the knife has a flipper, and the person uses the flipper to open it, that is normal too.