Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

[Guyon]

I don't even want to know what that means.

 

[Lycosa]

Anvil slapping is something akin to, hunkin hunkin burnin love.
:yawn:

 

[Gator97]

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Look, all I'm saying is that the guy performs dumb stunts and is dumbing down the larger knife-using community as a result.

Well, either you overestimating Noss' influence and power, as in one person can make few hundred or thousand people dumb just by posting his videos, or either you have very low opinion of knife community you are so concerned about, as in nobody(except select few) can understand the dangers he poses to knife community...

What is really dumbing down knife community, is bickering like this and I am just as guilty for helping you in that...

 

[Guyon]

Well, either you overestimating Noss' influence and power, as in one person can make few hundred or thousand people dumb just by posting his videos, or either you have very low opinion of knife community you are so concerned about, as in nobody(except select few) can understand the dangers he poses to knife community...

I think most folks here have good sense. (Just look at the many people in this thread who agree that TGHM is a stunt man.) Otherwise, I wouldn't frequent this community. But there is a pretty steady trickle of newer guys who come in thinking that knives are all about withstanding abuse. I wonder where they got that idea?

What is really dumbing down knife community, is bickering like this and I am just as guilty for helping you in that...

Well, either you are overestimating your influence and power, as in one person can make few hundred or thousand people dumb just by posting in this thread, or either you have a very low opinion of the knife community you defend so adamantly here, as in nobody (except a select few) can understand that this thread is a debate over a stunt man.

 

[Gator97]

Well, either you are overestimating your influence and power....

In fact neither, as it was a lot of people involved in the argument which is not related to knife testing and rather pointless.
I did misunderstand your goals in this thread though
+1 to what Komondor said.

 

[theonew]

I think Anvil Slap would be a great name for a metal band

 

[Kiah]

I think Anvil Slap would be a great name for a metal band

I was thinking Bluegrass, but it could work for either.

 

[Guyon]

+1 to what Komondor said.

Careful whose message you approve. komondor will post long-winded retorts that go round-and-round in the Political subforum. You know, sort of like some of yours here in this thread. Then, he has the audacity to come in here and tell me to get a life. Laughable "at the extreme." You know... sort of like TGHM's "tests."

In fact neither, as it was a lot of people involved in the argument which is not related to knife testing and rather pointless.
I did misunderstand your goals in this thread though

The Great Hockey Mask did not get a great big "ATTABOY" in this thread, and that's all that really matters. Hopefully, one or two new guys who read it will realize that knives are more than their ability to hold up to hammer blows. And maybe they'll think twice before they start emulating TGHM and posting up their own destruction stunts, and destroying some nice knives in the process. Or at the very least, maybe they'll go post their inanity somewhere else.

I think what this all boils down to is that you're a "last word" kind of guy. So, in the spirit of the holiday season, I invite you to have the last word.

Enjoy your well-earned "victory."

The four horsemen of the TGHM thread.

 

[Gator97]

Komondor: Join Date - Jul 2001, Posts: 3,675
Guyon: Join Date: Mar 2000, 23,685

Doing very simple math, I'd say likelihood of the post is ~6 times higher from you
Which is absolutely fine, as long as you keep it civil and preferably closer to the subj. I don't try to make people go away.

I assume we can close this subject then and get back to knife testing methodology.

 

[theonew]

I was thinking Bluegrass, but it could work for either.

Yep, Bluegrass would work too :thumbup:

The Great Hockey Mask did not get a great big "ATTABOY" in this thread, and that's all that really matters. Hopefully, one or two new guys who read it will realize that knives are more than their ability to hold up to hammer blows. And maybe they'll think twice before they start emulating TGHM and posting up their own destruction stunts, and destroying some nice knives in the process. Or at the very least, maybe they'll go post their inanity somewhere else.

Quoted for pomposity ... er posterity ... er, well, both.

 

[komondor]

Komondor: Join Date - Jul 2001, Posts: 3,675
Guyon: Join Date: Mar 2000, 23,685

That says it all. :thumbup:

Har har har.

 

[Guyon]

Quoted for pomposity ... er posterity ... er, well, both.

That's so clever. I see what you did there with the alliteration and all.

BTW, I never said I'd give you the last word. You or Mr. "Yuk It Up" komondor with the rapier wit.

 

[Karda]

As usual, the knifetest supporters can't come up with any real evidence of the supposed "benefits" of the destruction other than "it's Kewl" , "it shows how much abuse a knife can take" so they continue to make glib and derisive comments of their own.
At least two things were accomplished in this thread. After several contentious threads the Noss supporters finally admit that what he does is not actual testing and that what he does is actually abuse.
Anyone believing that the knifetests are a good service for the overall knife community and that it doesnt hurt and tear the community down is clearly and sadly mistaken in their beliefs.

Quoted for Hypocrisy:

Gator and komodor, stop confusing the shenanigans in this thread with an honest discussion about the pro's and con's of backyard knife testing. It never has and never will be about that. The self-appointed guardians of the knife community are so positive they know exactly how everyone should use every knife that they don't need to actually debate the issue but rather just make glib and derisive remarks and call anyone, who doesn't immediately declare these tests to be utter useless garbage, a fanboy aka a nosshole.

Note to Newbies: if you want to make some quick friends among the knife "intelligentsia" here on BF, all you have to do is come forward in this thread and declare you're hatred for Noss and these "stunts". It doesn't matter if your points make sense or your analogies are on target, all that matters is that you truly feel the hatred. Then sit back and watch your supporters post, "+1", "What he said", "Well stated", etc.

 

[Broos]

Gator, how do those pics from you cutting something show that small lateral forces make a difference in how an edge dulls? Where are the pictures that show the difference in wear between a cut without lateral forces, versus with lateral forces?

Can you illustrate what wear on your pics is caused by the much larger downwards force, and what wear is caused by the much smaller lateral forces? You cannot tell what wear is caused by which force unless you take pics of an equal edge after both types of cuts. Again, you are making assumptions that are incorrect, and have not really addressed how cutting by hand is so different than a machine cutting as to make machine tests invalid as you are claiming.

I will take solace in the fact that Wayne G. and the ME Prof's are on my side of this issue, and noss is on on your side.

I would have posted once in this thread if not for the new facts we know about noss - he has exhibited a major league lack of character, is afraid to back up his own smack talking.

 

[Gator97]

As usual, the knifetest supporters can't come up with any real evidence of the supposed "benefits"...

Sigh This is one of the better examples when benefiting from certain activity is entirely up to you. if you are incapable or unwilling then it is certainly neither knifetests.com fault, nor its supporters here.

of the destruction other than "it's Kewl"

Which indeed is super kewl Especially when you are provided test results for free, under no obligations, and better yet nobody is forcing you neither to accept nor to deny the results.

At least two things were accomplished in this thread.

I don't really see any accomplishments besides giving knifetest.com opponents an opportunity to vent once again...

After several contentious threads the Noss supporters finally admit that what he does is not actual testing and that what he does is actually abuse.

So, since the mission is accomplished, are you happy now, can you let it go? Or it ain't gonna happen until you see Noss banned, condemned and burned at the stake, and knifetests.com converted to verynonabuseiveknifetests.com?

Anyone believing that the knifetests are a good service for the overall knife community and that it doesnt hurt and tear the community down is clearly and sadly mistaken in their beliefs.

Yeah, sadly there is always an abundance of the people who know better than others what's good for them and community
What we were really missing, was knife testing moralists bent on protecting us from our own gullibility...

 

[Gator97]

Gator, how do those pics from you cutting something show that small lateral forces make a difference in how an edge dulls?

Well, it's either that or you honestly believe that vertical compression from a carrot can fracture or bend 65HRC steel.

Where are the pictures that show the difference in wear between a cut without lateral forces, versus with lateral forces?

Nowhere, as I stated cutting was done freehand on veggies.

Again, you are making assumptions that are incorrect

I think, to the contrary, you are making assumptions that contradict everyday observations and very simple physics.
Let's start with the fact that any lateral force on the knife during the cut isn't just the force you push it to the side, but more like lever, where exerted force on the edge is proportional of the blade width and cut depth. So, for the case when the knife is 50mm wide and the edge is stuck in the medium 5mm deep, the exerted force(lateral, on the edge) would be 10 times the load force(lateral).

and have not really addressed how cutting by hand is so different

I explained several times, that it is human factor. So far you you have not provided single shred of the evidence that hand cutting is the same as machine cutting. You simply discard robotics and I figure mechanics as well, that is besides biology
You know what? I challenge you to make a perfect straight cut of the paper, or better yet carpet or leather, lets say 5-10ft long, freehand. When you succeed, or get tired trying, may be we can discuss this again

I will take solace in the fact that Wayne G. and the ME Prof's are on my side of this issue, and noss is on on your side.

? What does Noss have to do with my argument with you about hand vs. machine cutting?

...he has exhibited a major league lack of character, is afraid to back up his own smack talking.

And why would you need to say all that in a completely unrelated post? To show what side you are on? Trash talking Noss makes a good argument for "freehand cutting is the same as machine cuting"?

 

[Karda]

So, since the mission is accomplished, are you happy now, can you let it go? Or it ain't gonna happen until you see Noss banned, condemned and burned at the stake, and knifetests.com converted to verynonabuseiveknifetests.com?

Thats taking it a bit far dont you think? I actually think that Noss should be honest about what he does. Knifestunts.com would be plenty good enough. I also think he should stop rating and attacking makers as his schtick and gimmick is no better than those he claims to be fighting against. But that wouldnt get him hits on his site or the attention he so relishes.

Yeah, sadly there is always an abundance of the people who know better than others what's good for them and community
What we were really missing, was knife testing moralists bent on protecting us from our own gullibility...

And sadly there a some that need reality pointed out to them, instead of thinking things thru enough to realise it for themselves.

 

[Gator97]

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Knifestunts.com would be plenty good enough. I also think he should stop rating...

Hey, what happened to free speech?

And sadly there a some that need reality pointed out to them, instead of thinking things thru enough to realise it for themselves.

You know what Noss has to do and also can tell us what is right and wrong. I suspect that's a little much telling ppl left and right what to do...

 

[Karda]

Hey, what happened to free speech?

Maybe you should ask the great Noss that question. Ask him if it survived the beating from the "hammer of truth", better yet....maybe you should ask him to spell it.

 

[Kiah]

Careful whose message you approve.

Now, I'm not gonna point, but if we're using that argument, ya might wanna back up a few posts and analyze your endorsements. Just saying.

Maybe you should ask the great Noss that question. Ask him if it survived the beating from the "hammer of truth", better yet....maybe you should ask him to spell it.

A well reasoned argument. :thumbup:

Anyway, as far as machine testing goes, Noss has built an edge retention tester thingy for upcoming tests (or whatever you would like to substitute).

Looks pretty interesting.