Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

[Guyon]

Now, I'm not gonna point, but if we're using that argument, ya might wanna back up a few posts and analyze your endorsements. Just saying.

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and again.

 

[philwar]

Look, all I'm saying is that the guy performs dumb stunts and is dumbing down the larger knife-using community as a result. What's so hard to accept about such a statement?

What's so hard to accept about this one: "The tests performed by noss4 are a valuable addition to the body of knife knowledge."

Get it? (that's a rhetorical question)

 

[philwar]

As usual, the knifetest supporters can't come up with any real evidence of the supposed "benefits" of the destruction other than "it's Kewl" , "it shows how much abuse a knife can take" so they continue to make glib and derisive comments of their own.

That goes both ways. Show me all the victims from noss4's hideous brainwashing. The Righteous Knifenoob Defenders... sheez.

At least two things were accomplished in this thread. After several contentious threads the Noss supporters finally admit that what he does is not actual testing

Wrong. The 'side' with a life just stopped arguing... well most of them anyway.

and that what he does is actually abuse.

Not abuse so much as actual destruction.

Anyone believing that the knifetests are a good service for the overall knife community and that it doesnt hurt and tear the community down is clearly and sadly mistaken in their beliefs.

And so say all of us, which makes it true, right? Right?

 

[Guyon]

What's so hard to accept about this one: "The tests performed by noss4 are a valuable addition to the body of knife knowledge."

Get it? (that's a rhetorical question)

Such a clever fellow. The part so hard to accept is that he adds little substance beyond the fact that we can destroy nice knives with hammers.

That goes both ways. Show me all the victims from noss4's hideous brainwashing. The Righteous Knifenoob Defenders... sheez.

I posted at least a couple of examples that popped up in the lifetime of this thread.

Wrong. The 'side' with a life just stopped arguing... well most of them anyway.

I see you're still here.

And so say all of us, which makes it true, right? Right?

Could you perhaps explain why TGHM's stunts add so much value to the knife community?

 

[A.L.]

If I hammer my SAK through concrete and smash it with sledgehammer and it breaks, is it a bad knife?

 

[Lycosa]

No. ^
Maybe Thor was on to something??

 

[jawilder]

Would it be fair to say that the ABS tests are destruction tests as well? You perform certain tasks with them to determine the quality of the blade and the way in which it was made.

 

[Gator97]

If I hammer my SAK through concrete and smash it with sledgehammer and it breaks, is it a bad knife?

As far as knifetests.com goes, he openly states that "The knives I test are heavy use work military, tactical, combat knives". So, if you feel your SAK fits that criteria then go ahead, and if you videotape the procedure and post it it'll be even better.

 

[Gator97]

I see you're still here.

So, what's your main objective? To shut up and drive away as many people as you can, those who disagree with you?
And that is the service or a favor you are doing to the knife community in general?

Could you perhaps explain why TGHM's stunts add so much value to the knife community?

Because there is large number or community members who see value in those free tests, and they don't feel they need protection provided by you and alike.

 

[theonew]

Well I've been thinking long and hard about what is best for the knife community and have come to the conclusion that the No Questions Asked warranty offered by several makers only encourages knife abuse and will force makers to create thicker and more useless cutting tools. Think about it, what's to stop a newbie from getting a knife, breaking it through abuse, posting the pics on the Net and then sending it back for a new one. The horror, the horror.

Yeah I'm going to push this agenda, pushing agendas on a discussion forum, yeah that's got to be good for the community.

Come on folks, let's go troll the forums, this issue is way too important and effects us all and especially the children

 

[Adventure Sworn]

What "knife tests" seems to me, is a good idea turned ... stupid.

The guy reminds me a bit of Sid from Toy Story, all grown-up.

 

[Lycosa]

Here's my knife test: If I like a knife, it passes.

 

[C.S. Graves]

Here's my knife test: If I like a knife, it passes.

Case closed! :thumbup:

 

[A.L.]

As far as knifetests.com goes, he openly states that "The knives I test are heavy use work military, tactical, combat knives". So, if you feel your SAK fits that criteria then go ahead, and if you videotape the procedure and post it it'll be even better.

If I had camera, I would document how well it cuts for being such thin blade, how it saws wood, opens bottles, opens cans, etc etc...

Instead of breaking my knife, I can show a lots of ways how I can do something constructive with it.

 

[knarfeng]

That goes both ways. Show me all the victims from noss4's hideous brainwashing. The Righteous Knifenoob Defenders... sheez.

One need only read the opening post in this thread.

Also I know without a doubt that any knife that did get a good rating from Knifetests.com is an excellent knife to withstand so much.

This illustrates the mis-information that is spread by only measuring how well a knife withstands abuse. A knife can be made of 1055 carbon steel and it'll last just fine. That doesn't mean its an excellent knife. It just means that you can beat the bagunkus out of it. But a lot of inexperienced folks get the mistaken impression that just because you can beat on a knife, it is "excellent". Yet I see that mindset in many posts, most driven by inexperience and "knifetests.com".

For a fella that recently joined our community I actually don't think you are in a position to comment on who or what effects our "knife community".

 

[Slim to None]

Hopefully this isn't beating a dead horse, but is the purpose of a knife not to cut?

Insipid as they may be, TGHM's reviewing "methodology" is clearly biased towards knives that are soft and resistant to prying and shock. These seem like ancillary qualities, at least in terms of use.

I don't think anyone would be surprised if Noss stabbed a 10v fillet knife into a car hood and the tip broke off. Likewise I doubt that a chinese produced Rough Use knife or what have you is any good at cutting a good fillet.

So I'll pose some questions to the Pro-Noss camp here - Is the ideal knifetests.com knife one that forsakes all other qualities for toughness?

Resistance to breaking from prying or being struck with hammers is very low on my list of qualities I prefer in a knife.

The argument that Noss is showing "how far the knives can be taken in a survival situation" doesn't hold up. Batonning with sledgehammers and stabbing sheet metal seem pretty far fetched in terms of life and death situations. Starting a fire, whittling, skinning game, are those tasks not more realistic in "survival situations"?

Noss assesses exactly the face value of what he's doing: the ability of a knife to be bent laterally, stabbed into sheet metal, and hit with hammers. Drawing inferences about the "quality" of a knife from those activities is fallacious.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Noss assesses exactly the face value of what he's doing: the ability of a knife to be bent laterally, stabbed into sheet metal, and hit with hammers. Drawing inferences about the "quality" of a knife from those activities is fallacious.

Exactly the problem. It redefines as the standard against which one judges a knife's performance gross abuse of that knife, which is, as you say, a fallacious means of evaluating the tool.

 

[theonew]

So when someone just tests edge retention are they redefining the standard with which to judge a knife or simply testing one aspect of a knife's performance?

 

[knarfeng]

So when someone just tests edge retention are they redefining the standard with which to judge a knife or simply testing one aspect of a knife's performance?

Only if they were to rate the entire knife solely on its edge retention. I'm not certain that I have ever seen that done.

But I have seen some folks compare blade alloys solely on one type of performance. I have complained and argued about that in posts as well.

 

[theonew]

Only if they were to rate the entire knife solely on its edge retention. I'm not certain that I have ever seen that done.

And where does Noss say that he is rating the entire knife based upon strength and toughness?