Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

[Karda]

Galileo was a brilliant man, and able to see his faults, admit them and adapt.
I hardly find that the case here............

 

[Bishop2010]

Knife is made to cut, but will accommodate each individual's needs.

 

[molly's survival]

I think the guy is a joke. We are all entitled to free speach but there comes a time when you should keep to your self & this jerk-off should. jm2c

 

[ishiyumisan]

Just because i know how to be narcissisitic, self serving or a glory hound doesnt mean i'm gonna go on the worldwide web and announce it. The web and Youtube are full of Amatuerish juvenile behaviors, its like a crash course in adolescent psychology.

Yeah, now go take your best knife beat the crap out of it with Barbie doll and looks closely at the reaction on the worldwide web


its like a crash course in adolescent psychology

 

[mlanghornes]

I have to say that I find Noss's tests to be entertaining, like the solid proof dvd's.

Will they affect my purchase decisions? No, because I'm not going to put my knife through blatant abuse. I think it's silly to believe that those tests translate to real-world situations. I'm interested in using a knife to cut, not as a prybar. Add cutting tests, comfort, edge retention, batoning, chopping, and mild/reasonable tip-strength tests, like stabbing a 2x4 and prying the tip loose, and I'm listening. Hit the knife with a hammer while driving it through a cinder block, and you've lost me, as far as viewing it as a realistic test.

That said, the tests are entertaining. It's fun to know what your knife is capable of. That may hurt some manufacturers, but only because those customers want extreme performance, and if they can't get it via that knife, they will (and should) go elsewhere. Consumers that view a knife for what it is (a cutting tool) will not be swayed. Customers that want more than a big ugly hunk of soft tacticool steel will not be swayed.

I don't think it's that big a deal.

 

[230grains]

I said this in the Becker thread, but i'll say it again.

I love knifetests.com, in fact I'd love to see a test like that on every knife I buy.

I found my way to Busse Combat because of Noss after searching an indestructible knife. I've snapped kabars, torn out Cold steel knifes, snapped them at the tang. I've broken every kind of knife you can imagine.

To me a knife is more than a slicer. I do a large amount of hiking and camping, often in the dead of winter far away from everyone. I absolutely positively have to know my knife will take EVERYTHING I throw at it. Whether that be frozen wood, or batoning heavily knotted wood that would break many blades because of lateral force. I always carry a small blade like a Mora to compliment a large blade like an ASH-1 or a Battle Mistress now that I picked one up. I don't buy "hard use" knives, or knives advertised as such to be thin slicers, I buy them to be tanks that can handle all I have to offer.

If you're car camping and break your knife, no big deal, head back to the car and drive to the post office for a warranty request. If I break a knife in 0 degrees 20 miles from my truck, I could very well be screwed. A survival knife should both be able to help you survive, and be able to survive YOU.

I fully understand "But the tests aren't scientific!!!!!", neither is me hammering through a knotted slightly frozen log with another frozen log. I don't need scientific. I actually want imperfection in the tests, I don't care if the blade shifts and he ends up putting lateral pressure causing the blade to break because I want to know if the knife can take that. If I'm in the woods, I'm not chopping/batoning with a pneumatic arms, so why should I want to see a machine do it perfectly?

Sure, not every blade is meant to be a "hard use" knife, BUT if you advertise your blade as a survival knife, It better stand up to it.

I've broken batons before and used a large stone to finish the job. I need to make sure my knife isn't going to smash in half because of rock impacts. Yeah, the site steers people away from certain knife companies like CRK and even becker, and so what? Want a favorable review on the site? Make a hard use knife that stands up to it. I don't want ANY hard use knife that can't take a whack on the spine with a hammer. I'm so sick of hearing people say "He beat the Chris Reeve harder than anything!", he did the same with a cheap kitchen knife and it took the abuse better.

There are three groups of people who watch Noss in action:
They love it
They don't care
Chris Reeve fans and hate it.

I look forward to more reviews from Noss.

 

[230grains]

I think the guy is a joke. We are all entitled to free speach but there comes a time when you should keep to your self & this jerk-off should. jm2c

Did he break a knife from a company you like? It seems everytime someone touts "their brand" knife as the best, then it breaks cutting an apple at the beginning of a test they come on here and start personally insulting noss.

 

[230grains]

LOL ! Wear a smaller pair of panties they wouldn't bunch up so much.

See they only way you can get attention is to bash me with your hate filled threads. You have done it since day one and you will never change. So do they only thing you know how to do. The critics are the usual suspects here.


Everyone else: If you know how it is supposed to be done then do it !!!!! I have put up tests for three years and challenged all of your BS science nonsense over and over again. So how about putting your theories to the test for once instead of your mouth's. You may be surprised with what you find out.

Thanks to the people who enjoy the tests and learn from them. More to come. :thumbup:

All of you haters. Knock yourselves out. :thumbup: It's been what three years and I'm still here. See you on the other side.

This hockey mask clown has many stunts to perform.

Later

We need more tests! There are some fans out there!

 

[Karda]

I've broken batons before and used a large stone to finish the job. I need to make sure my knife isn't going to smash in half because of rock impacts.

This is an almost perfect example of skewed perception and unreasonable expectation and due care. Thx. Btw, please learn how to use the edit button instead of multi posting.

 

[230grains]

This is an almost perfect example of skewed perception and unreasonable expectation and due care. Thx. Btw, please learn how to use the edit button instead of multi posting.

Wow, you anti knifetests.com people really are testy aren't you? Including the obnoxious eye rolling.

I have knives that can handle "unreasonable expectations" without due care, so why bother with other peoples overpriced junk?

I don't expect that a hammer will suddenly be a screwdriver, that would be an unreasonable expectation. I do expect anyone who touts their knife as a survival blade, would be able to survive hard use.

Is this post ok, or should I edit a post from a few weeks ago and add it there?

Honestly, tell us why you're so offended by someone breaking knives from companies who make junk products that happen to have a cult following? There's no such thing as unreasonable expectations if there are companies that can handle it.

 

[Guyon]

I've snapped kabars, torn out Cold steel knifes, snapped them at the tang. I've broken every kind of knife you can imagine.

One can only hope that noss will be hiring for an assistant soon. Maybe an axe should be in your future.

I do a large amount of hiking and camping, often in the dead of winter far away from everyone. I absolutely positively have to know my knife will take EVERYTHING I throw at it.

I would really like to see some pics of your Busses in the situations that you describe. So I looked, but I did not find any. I saw some interesting stuff though. Originally here at BFC, you asked questions about how to conceal carry a Busse Battle Mistress, and you repeatedly noted how you are horrible at sharpening knives. The latter notion, in particular, doesn't square well with the idea of a competent outdoorsman.

In about 3 months time though, you were giving buying advice about belt sanders and expert advice about sharpening. You also mentioned that you sharpen your friends' knives. I'm glad to see your skills advanced so quickly. :thumbup:

In one post, you noted how your everyday carry includes two handguns, two knives (one of them to be a large Busse NMSFNO), and a flashlight. And you mentioned that you "break folders like they're free." Excuse me for saying so, but you strike me as more of a tacti-cool guy than someone who is regularly out in the sub-zero tundra. So again, I'd love to see the pics of you splitting frozen logs. As a Busse fan that is.

If you *are* an outdoorsman who practices his craft, you should be aware that there is a Wilderness and Survival subforum here at BFC. I did not see any posts from you in that subforum. However, also know that, for that crowd, the end-all-be-all factor of a knife does not involve how it will withstand hammer blows.

Did he break a knife from a company you like? It seems everytime someone touts "their brand" knife as the best, then it breaks cutting an apple at the beginning of a test they come on here and start personally insulting noss.

Here's a hole in that theory. I like knives from Busse combat, and I still think that noss is all about the attention and that he's a bad influence on the overall knife community. I use my Busse knives, and with the exception of one or two, every knife on this table is used, some of them seeing very hard use.

 

[greater]

Knifetests.com

Revealing, Very Revealing

Thank You, Thank You Very Much

Would some of his tests affect my decision in purchasing a knife ? Possibly, depending on what I intend to use it for.

Noss is a great asset for promoting basic knowledge of the stress different knives are capable of handling before failure. He puts time and effort into unveiling this knowledge that some wish kept secrete. I thank him for it.

 

[Karda]

Wow, you anti knifetests.com people really are testy aren't you? Including the obnoxious eye rolling.

and you fanboys arent? the difference, as i see it, is you guys prefer the jerkit smiley.

I have knives that can handle "unreasonable expectations" without due care, so why bother with other peoples overpriced junk?

I don't expect that a hammer will suddenly be a screwdriver, that would be an unreasonable expectation. I do expect anyone who touts their knife as a survival blade, would be able to survive hard use.

So do i, although i didnt have to pay 350+ for any of them.

Is this post ok, or should I edit a post from a few weeks ago and add it there?

You can paste it to your forehead for all i care.

Honestly, tell us why you're so offended by someone breaking knives from companies who make junk products that happen to have a cult following? There's no such thing as unreasonable expectations if there are companies that can handle it.

I'm offended by chest thumpers,people with hidden agendas, attention whores,silly stunts touted as undeniable proof and the like ,as any mature,free thinking person would be.

 

[KEmSAT-Survival]

Just because i know how to be narcissisitic, self serving or a glory hound doesnt mean i'm gonna go on the worldwide web and announce it. The web and Youtube are full of Amatuerish juvenile behaviors, its like a crash course in adolescent psychology.

Actually the video of that monkey peeing in it's own mouth pretty much describes a large amount of YouTube's constituents.

Kind of an "America's Next Top Retard" type of situation.

But, meanwhile, back at the fort...

I think I smell a

I have come to the conclusion that knifetests.com is a lot like a demolition derby...people just like to see stuff break. It's like those "Saw" movies, only it's torture porn for knives.

Personally, I don't need a guy in a Jason or Freddy mask telling what he thinks the quality of a knife is. I don't need fancy marketing or little guys in spandex shorts playing Errol (Eryl...Erryl...Erol...however you spell it) Flynn or driving a knife into a car door, either. I've used knives long enough, in ugly enough conditions and in varied enough conditions that I know what I need a knife to do and what certain types of steel and constructions can withstand.

But if some of you cats need to see a knife driven into the side of house like a nail, jumped up and down on, ran over with a car, set on fire and talked at for hours by Al Gore to make you feel comfy that it'll keep you safe on your sofa...then by all means have at it. That's what makes America great. Now, if you'll excuse me...I have to go poop.

 

[theonew]

Those tests are an abomination in the knife world, and I've long warned that this noss fellow would have just this kind of negative effect on the knife community. In other words, Johnny Hockey Mask, with his destruction stunts, is giving new knife users the impression that knives should be judged primarily on how well they stand up to lateral impacts from a three-pound sledge.

Interesting Guyon. Thank you for defending the knife community. What's funny though is that the first time I saw a knife being bent in a vice and chopping through cinder blocks wasn't on videos from Noss but in videos from Busse knives. I believe those pre-dated any of Noss's videos. Did you protest these as well?

I do have to hold my nose a little when I hear talk about newbies getting the wrong impression. It's cringe-inducingly condescending. People are smarter than you give them credit for. I'm guessing you're a big supporter of the liberal ideal of social engineering.

 

[230grains]

1. I'm new to Busses, so no, I haven't chopped up frozen wood with them (it's 50 degrees here) or put them through hell. My ASH-1 has gone hunting with me several times though, cut shooting clearings and did a good job even dressing out a buck which I posted pics of including cutting the pelvis. Like I said, I only have two Busse Combat knives, one being an ASH-1 CG and the second is in the mail right now (a FFBM), I know you have a ton more than me, and I know you use them, which is great.

2. Yes I posted about carrying a battle mistress concealed, I decided against it because it would be a little uncomfortable. My house is in the woods, and it could have come in handy. Tacticool? Not really.

3. Yes I couldn't sharpen a knife worth a damn, I could get it to cut, but not shave. Generally my friend would sharpen my knives for me. I didn't get into sharpening to recently, but if it makes you feel better, i've gotten quite good:

Yes I sharpen my friends knives now, problem being? I didn't know how to do something, so I learned it... CRAZY. When I set my mind to learn something new, I dive right in head first and keep trying until I figure it out. I destroyed a lot of cheap kitchen knives finding out what works and what doesn't.

As for not splitting frozen logs, i'd love to, but i'm wearing a tshirt and shorts right now it's so warm. I don't run outside and say "Hey what challenge can I give my knife this week", but I do run into situations that would seem "outside the box". When the snow comes I'll be making frequent trips up Mt Monadnock and Washington, and yes, At the camp there will be fire needed, and yes, I'll use a knife. I'll even take pics for you.

I don't know why you're so angry at me because I'm a fan of knife tests, but honestly, lose the attitude, there's really no need.

One can only hope that noss will be hiring for an assistant soon. Maybe an axe should be in your future.



I would really like to see some pics of your Busses in the situations that you describe. So I looked, but I did not find any. I saw some interesting stuff though. Originally here at BFC, you asked questions about how to conceal carry a Busse Battle Mistress, and you repeatedly noted how you are horrible at sharpening knives. The latter notion, in particular, doesn't square well with the idea of a competent outdoorsman.

In about 3 months time though, you were giving buying advice about belt sanders and expert advice about sharpening. You also mentioned that you sharpen your friends' knives. I'm glad to see your skills advanced so quickly. :thumbup:

In one post, you noted how your everyday carry includes two handguns, two knives (one of them to be a large Busse NMSFNO), and a flashlight. And you mentioned that you "break folders like they're free." Excuse me for saying so, but you strike me as more of a tacti-cool guy than someone who is regularly out in the sub-zero tundra. So again, I'd love to see the pics of you splitting frozen logs. As a Busse fan that is.

If you *are* an outdoorsman who practices his craft, you should be aware that there is a Wilderness and Survival subforum here at BFC. I did not see any posts from you in that subforum. However, also know that, for that crowd, the end-all-be-all factor of a knife does not involve how it will withstand hammer blows.



Here's a hole in that theory. I like knives from Busse combat, and I still think that noss is all about the attention and that he's a bad influence on the overall knife community. I use my Busse knives, and with the exception of one or two, every knife on this table is used, some of them seeing very hard use.

 

[Guyon]

Interesting Guyon. Thank you for defending the knife community. What's funny though is that the first time I saw a knife being bent in a vice and chopping through cinder blocks wasn't on videos from Noss but in videos from Busse knives. I believe those pre-dated any of Noss's videos. Did you protest these as well?

I do have to hold my nose a little when I hear talk about newbies getting the wrong impression. It's cringe-inducingly condescending. People are smarter than you give them credit for. I'm guessing you're a big supporter of the liberal ideal of social engineering.

I didn't protest the marketing by Busse, nor did I applaud it or hold it up as the basis on which knives should be judged. I base my evaluations on my own usage as well as reports from reviewers who have earned my respect. noss4 does not fit this latter category. At all.

Your misguided political barb aside, the knife community is what we, collectively, make it. And for some of us, that community matters. Yes, I have seen a fairly steady stream of guys coming into BFC who proclaim a knife as "the best" based on Hockey Mask videos. If you haven't seen this phenomenon, then open your eyes. The next wide-eyed poser will be along shortly.

When a thread like this one comes along, I think it's important that such knife novices understand other side of the Great Hockey Mask. As Karda pointed out, more and more people are seeing behind the curtain and recognizing his stunts for what they are.

 

[Guyon]

I don't know why you're so angry at me because I'm a fan of knife tests, but honestly, lose the attitude, there's really no need.

I'm not angry at all. At you or noss4 or anyone. I just think noss4 is a bit of a joke based on his words and actions here at BFC. And I hate to see new users hold his stunts up as some sort of comprehensive testament to a knife's value. It happens all the time.

Sorry if you got the impression that I am mad. If you lose the mandates, I can try to soften the attitude.

I look forward to seeing your user pics. You'll enjoy the Battle Mistress as a splitter.

 

[paleojoe]

I agree that it is entertainment. And entertainment only!

Any knife can be destroyed. That is not the point.

I will say this:

Years ago, I was compelled to buy Busse's especially after such 'tests'.
By this kind of testing, as someone said, all you need to pass is a thick, heavy pry-bar with terrible wedge-like edge-geometry. For true cutting, slicing, carving, whittling, etc. this edge would be schooled by many, many blades under different testing.
The result was, I never used them, they were clunky and useless. Great choppers, wedges and splitters, but that's all.
So I tried convexing one. Guess what? It chipped, rolled and dented. It was a question of steel and heat treat in conjunction with the appropriate edge.
I sold or traded them all for true users and performers.

This may all be 'BS science' as Noss stated, but form follows function. I use my blades for hunting, skinning, slicing, chopping (wood that is), carving, whittling, splitting, batoning (wood that is), hiking, outdoors, edc, etc. I beat the hell out them in this regard. Real, hard use.
The 'B.S. science' behind for example, convex and scandi-type edges is told in history alone. There is a reason these types of edges were put on blades for centuries...

Just as a skilled user would never cut bone with their blade, so would a skilled mason never use his knife to cut tile or block.
It does give many misconceptions to those who do not understand, as to the proper form and function of a true blade...

In addition, not each blade is the same. Take a hundred people from different ethnicities and give them the same diet, the bodies will respond differently. A chopper is not expected to be put under the same tests as a fillet blade, or a 6" the same as a 10"...

There should be some respective skill and understanding added to each test. To each blade, for the sake of those who made it with specific intentions on use. Test, review, destruction, whatever you want to call it, online it carries the weight of gold to those considering buying.

 

[230grains]

I'm not angry at all. At you or noss4 or anyone. I just think noss4 is a bit of a joke based on his words and actions here at BFC. And I hate to see new users hold his stunts up as some sort of comprehensive testament to a knife's value. It happens all the time.

Sorry if you got the impression that I am mad. If you lose the mandates, I can try to soften the attitude.

I look forward to seeing your user pics. You'll enjoy the Battle Mistress as a splitter.

I take the tests for what they're worth, I know they're not the end all be all of knife testing, it simply shows how much crazy crap it takes to break a knife. I know there are dozens of variables in the tests that aren't addressed, but the tests are entertaining, and build confidence in future purposes for myself. I don't consider myself a knife "collector", to be honest, I don't really collect things. I've never been much of a high end knife guy to be honest, I've always been a gun guy and spend much of my free time shooting and all of my extra money on that hobby. Now that I have found knives that do everything I wanted them to do, I know within a year i'll have atleast a dozen or more of them.

I don't come here to fight, I came to this forum to gain some knowledge on something that interested me. Like I said, I could never get a great edge on a knife, now I can sharpen anything. Before coming here I thought Cold Steel was as good as knives were made, I know better.

I just felt like the people who are anti NOSS, seemed to be furious, I still don't see the harm in it, but I do know I have no interest in an online pissing match on a discussion forum about sharp pieces of metal. Also if you read the busse forum, i'm not just interested in big giant slabs of metal, I was looking for a nice thin busse for smaller chores that Noss would probably be able to break quite easily compared to the others he's tested.

Either way, I really didn't want to get into it on a forum.