Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

[knarfeng]

People are smarter than you give them credit for.

uh...no. No they are not. Especially not young teenage boys who look at how "tough" the knife as defined by Noss videos without any understanding of the proper function of a knife. Being as this is a forum devoted to knives, we see a lot of these around here. They trumpet that a TRUE outdoors knife must be capable of being pounded with a hammer or chopping through cinder blocks (although where in the outdoors one is going to find a cinderblock wall through which to chop is an interesting question). Isn't it odd how most folks that post in the Wilderness and Survival Skills forum here disagree with that assessment and how many of them think highly of Moras?

 

[230grains]

Isn't it odd how most folks that post in the Wilderness and Survival Skills forum here disagree with that assessment and how many of them think highly of Moras?

I think Moras are GREAT knives, I carry one everytime I go hiking/camping. I also like big choppers. You can like both.

 

[paleojoe]

I've batoned my Mora, no sweat! It's a question of technique. They're great 'ab-users'... I don't wanna dull my edge on a nice blade cutting something gritty. I'll use the Mora! Mors Kochanski gets by just fine in the bush with one. A skilled bushman can use a flint blade, for that matter.

Again, specific tasks intended...
A Mora is a scandi-knife.
Traditional Scandinavian blades were in pairs: a small puukko for carving and small work, and a large Leuku, about 8", for chopping and large tasks. They, like others, understood the notion of appropriate blade for appropriate task. Also, keep in mind their arctic origins. Different game to hunt, different woods to cut. Separated, they are incomplete for all-tasks. the idea of 'one knife to rule them all' is just an idea... Not to say there aren't those that come close!

A knife review covering this Scandinavian pair for example, IMO would be much more interesting and truly educational!

 

[theonew]

Yes, I have seen a fairly steady stream of guys coming into BFC who proclaim a knife as "the best" based on Hockey Mask videos. If you haven't seen this phenomenon, then open your eyes. The next wide-eyed poser will be along shortly.

I see a much bigger stream of guys coming in to proclaim that Busse's are the best because they are the toughest blades around. Some may have seen Noss's videos but others have simply been swayed by the marketing. When they show up they are welcomed with open arms. I don't see a lot of knife education going on with them, just a bunch of cheer leading and encouragement to beat on those blades. I've never seen anyone in the Busse sub-forum, for instance, recommend a Dozier blade as a hunting knife since the design and edge retention are better suited to the task.

 

[Tostig]

Wow....

So sad to see a bunch of grown men act like infants over something that does not affect their real ( non forum ) lives.

This is a forum for discussion and the sharing of ideas folks , lighten up a bit and enjoy life , instead of taking something that is pretty small in the scheme of life so seriously.

ugh.......

Tostig

 

[Guyon]

I see a much bigger stream of guys coming in to proclaim that Busse's are the best because they are the toughest blades around. Some may have seen Noss's videos but others have simply been swayed by the marketing. When they show up they are welcomed with open arms. I don't see a lot of knife education going on with them, just a bunch of cheer leading and encouragement to beat on those blades. I've never seen anyone in the Busse sub-forum, for instance, recommend a Dozier blade as a hunting knife since the design and edge retention are better suited to the task.

Oh, I see now. You're pissed off about a brand fan base. Well, I have seen plenty of folks in the Busse forum recommend other brands. And use other brands. And talk about other brands. Maybe you're seeing what you want to see. Do keep in mind that it's called the Busse subforum though.

 

[theonew]

Oh, I see now. You're pissed off about a brand fan base. Well, I have seen plenty of folks in the Busse forum recommend other brands. And use other brands. And talk about other brands. Maybe you're seeing what you want to see. Do keep in mind that it's called the Busse subforum though.

I'm not pissed off at all. I just find it a little hypocritical that you rail against the brainwashing of newbies by Noss, when you're celebrated knife brand has probably had a much greater effect upon encouraging the pursuit of toughness and knife abuse. Just sayin'

 

[Karda]

I just find it a little hypocritical that you rail against the brainwashing of newbies by Noss, when you're celebrated knife brand has probably had a much greater effect upon encouraging the pursuit of toughness and knife abuse. Just sayin'

There is a big difference there. Busse encourages the behavior as it pertains to their own brand, no other, and anyone supposing that ideal to other brands is mistaken. Noss4 is on a personal vendetta against any maker who dares call their knives "hard use" and does it under the guise of being the protectorate of the knife community, which is nothing but a Ruse. His whole corny schtick with the "Knife World Will Be Watching", "Hammer of Truth and Who will survive and what will be left of them" just smacks of as much gimmick as the claims he is supposedly fighting against.

 

[Guyon]

I'm not pissed off at all. I just find it a little hypocritical that you rail against the brainwashing of newbies by Noss, when you're celebrated knife brand has probably had a much greater effect upon encouraging the pursuit of toughness and knife abuse. Just sayin'

We'll have to disagree on degree, though I will fully acknowledge that Busse's marketing has played some role in the spread of the thick/tough knife mentality. As Karda points out, however, Busse is trying to sell knives to people who seek those qualities--not suggest that "tough" knives are the only game in the knife world. Jerry is well respected in the knife-making community because he knows knife design, but also because he's very respectful of other people's work. And he tries to grow the community rather than tear it down.

Above, you make the mistake of connecting the hype to the user, namely me. Have you seen me personally spread misinformation about knife evaluation? Have you ever seen me tell someone that the sole criteria for judging a knife is its spine thickness and how far you can bend it in a vice? How many whacks it'll take with a hammer? You're welcome to search through all my threads, but I'll save you some time. I haven't.

As far as Busse, I like the knives, and I like the man who makes them, regardless of his marketing tactics. I have my own misgivings about some elements in the Busse community, but overall, the positives outweigh the negatives, mainly because of the knives themselves--which combine qualities of durability with edge retention in uncommon ways.

The attitude you're pushing is one that used to be common to the W&S forum, where for years, any mention of Busses was met with snide comments about "pry bars" and "Kool Aid." That's an argument I've entered as well, because the truth of the matter is that Busse makes a very good thin knife. They're not as common as the thicker models, but they exist, and they work well for hunting as well as bushcraft chores.

 

[theonew]

The attitude you're pushing is one that used to be common to the W&S forum, where for years, any mention of Busses was met with snide comments about "pry bars" and "Kool Aid." That's an argument I've entered as well, because the truth of the matter is that Busse makes a very good thin knife. They're not as common as the thicker models, but they exist, and they work well for hunting as well as bushcraft chores.

I'm not pushing any attitude. I think Busse's are fine knives, I've owned a few, and the hogs for the most part seem like an honorable bunch. I'm just pointing out that Noss didn't invent this concrete chopping stuff, I think he is more a product of a certain sector of the knife community. He used to be quite well liked in the Busse sub-forum.

 

[Guyon]

I'm not pushing any attitude. I think Busse's are fine knives, I've owned a few, and the hogs for the most part seem like an honorable bunch. I'm just pointing out that Noss didn't invent this concrete chopping stuff, I think he is more a product of a certain sector of the knife community. He used to be quite well liked in the Busse sub-forum.

He probably still is. But not by me. And not by a lot of the fellas I know who still post there.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure Jerry is pleased as punch that the Busses rate so high on the Great Hockey Mask scale of merit. Those videos have probably sold a lot of knives for Busse Combat. And IIRC, Jerry provided the Battle Mistress that was the first Busse rated. Still, you don't see Jerry knocking Ethan Becker's knives or Chris Reeve's knives because they were destroyed by the Hammer of Nonsense. I also have seen none of that from the Busse subforum in general.

 

[hardheart]

I really hated it when he shot a knife

oh wait, that was the Busse forum, again.

I like the tests, it's about all you can do with 1/4"+ knives. They don't cut all that well above the edge bevel.

 

[DennisStrickland]

hey jos rite on bro. & guyon please put me in your will.

 

[molly's survival]

Did he break a knife from a company you like? It seems everytime someone touts "their brand" knife as the best, then it breaks cutting an apple at the beginning of a test they come on here and start personally insulting noss.

I like most brands of well made knives so yes, I guess he did...does that make me mad, no. I just think the guy is a jerk off and bad for the knife community. chopping 2X4's, standing on a knife like it was a spring board, chopping cinder blocks and beating knives with a hammer you call that a knife test, a review. these are all things that you don't do with a knife. if he was testing sledge hammers, block saws or a sawzall I would be impressed.

 

[greater]

The guy (Noss) is not a jerk off at all and he is not bad for the knife community. That insult is totally uncalled for. If you don't like what he does then nobody is forcing you to watch his demonstrations. Just change the channel if it offends you.

I seems to me that you are taking this way too personally and your claims of him being bad for the knife community is not something I take very seriously.

The knife community is quite capable of determining fact from fiction and does not need someone riding in on their high horse proclaiming and trying to dictate what trivial nonsense is good or bad for the community.

Oh and that is some good advice by Don Rearic you have quoted at the bottom of your postings

 

[Karda]

The knife community is quite capable of determining fact from fiction and does not need someone riding in on their high horse proclaiming and trying to dictate what trivial nonsense is good or bad for the community.

Apparently some of the community isn't, judging by the number of people who think batonning with rocks, hammers and the like or chopping your way thru cars and such is normal use and ok. Apparently most of them are more than happy to be led around by the nose by Noss. Does this mean that you think Noss should come down off his high horse as false claim protectorate of the knife community?

It's about you and all Blade Forums users.

I have to disagree with you. he is bad influence on the community and makes this hobby look embarrassingly bad with his circus antics.

 

[PeterPHWS]

It is suprising how passionate people feel on this....but like many things there is probably something in the tests Noss does which shows up some good information....and some bad...

Mike Turber did a test of a Basic 9 and a Cold Steel Trailmaster....Cliff Stamp did some reviews on a Busse Battlemistress as well...and like Noss they found the Busse knives to be "good" performers...all told I think that if you consider these and say Jerry Busse's live cutting demo using a Basic 9 at Blade...you can gain some true and valuable insight into Busse's being a good hard use knife manufacturer...

As to those knives which did not do well...I own a Project 1 and have often thought about the machining process which must be used to ream out the hollow handle from the one piece of steel...like reaming out a chamber in a rifle barrel there will be a fair bit of heat generated in the process...now as to whether this causes a weak area in front of the handle?? I don't know for sure...but it does give rise to some "doubts" as to the ability of that knife to handle heavy chopping and batoning...no-one watching that review could easily shrug off having doubts IMO if they owned one of these knives...

Now as to whether the breakage was caused by the metal on metal effect of hammering I don't know...it could be...or it could be that this simply showed an area of weakness arising from the reaming effect as above...

However to me and to no doubt many...if I was spending my money again and had not bought a Project 1 I think I might have passed up on doing so...

On the other hand however...if I was looking for the best 4 to 5 inch knife for my uses...I would be looking more at edge retention and comfort in use than the "hard use" aspect...and for me having bought and used a lot of knives...the best I have found are some special steels made in Japan by their best custom knifemakers...they are a lot more expensive for the small differences in other knives...and are probably not worth while financially speaking in terms of how much they cost for the extra performance...but as to whether these would survive a hammer blow is of no consequence to me...

I guess therefore that whilst I don't applaude destroying knives...I do find some "interest" in the tests Noss has done...and I am sure there are many others like me who feel the same...and that is not to say I am uneducated regarding knives or that I would subject any of my knives to such "abuse"... but I do take some "interest" in knowing how certain knives that I own have performed...and in thinking through why some broke...and whether this shows an element of weakness in construction...

 

[Falcor]

Well Noss has just completed another knife test - this time on a Bark River Boone II, and NO ONE is forcing anyone to go there to check the results. The choice is entirely yours... can you resist?

 

[Guyon]

Well Noss has just completed another knife test - this time on a Bark River Boone II, and NO ONE is forcing anyone to go there to check the results. The choice is entirely yours... can you resist?

You his agent?

I've seen three of those stunts at most.

And not even all of the videos for each.

So I'm pretty sure I can resist.

 

[Ankerson]

Well Noss has just completed another knife test - this time on a Bark River Boone II, and NO ONE is forcing anyone to go there to check the results. The choice is entirely yours... can you resist?

Yeah it's up and the Bark River Boone II did pretty well for a 5" blade 3/16" thick knife. It's really pretty tough and worth buying if one wants a smaller fixed blade.