Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

[philwar]

It is suprising how passionate people feel on this

Only the haters feel passionate about it. The hostility that is triggered by noss4 and his tests points to some serious issues in the people harbouring it.
For the rest of us, it's just interesting and fun to watch.

 

[Ankerson]

Only the haters feel passionate about it. The hostility that is triggered by noss4 and his tests points to some serious issues in the people harbouring it.
For the rest of us, it's just interesting and fun to watch.

Yep, that's pretty much sums it up, they are fun to watch. :thumbup:

 

[Guyon]

Only the haters feel passionate about it. The hostility that is triggered by noss4 and his tests points to some serious issues in the people harbouring it.
For the rest of us, it's just interesting and fun to watch.

By the same token, one could argue that egocentrism and apathy regarding the larger community are serious issues.

 

[3Guardsmen]

Take 'em or leave 'em I say!

It's very interesting watching the responses that a Noss4 (or a Cliff Stamp for that matter) can elicit, especially when you take into consideration the fact that a large number of posters here frequently describe knives they desire or own as being "bomb-proof," "hard use," and "able to withstand considerable abuse." I guess they're possibly just being insincere.

 

[Guyon]

when you take into consideration the fact that a large number of posters here frequently describe certain knives as being "bomb-proof," "hard use," and "able to withstand considerable abuse."

Pray tell. Which ones?

 

[3Guardsmen]

Pray tell. Which ones?

Any of 'em! Pick a knife! I've noticed that some (not all) of the same people who slam Noss4 describe knives they own or desire to own as being "hard use" and "bomb-proof." If those attributes were not at least a little desirable in a knife, there'd be no reason or place for a Noss4. To bash Noss4 just for trying to 'please the crowd,' especially if one has ever praised a knife's ability to "withstand abuse," seems rather hypocritical to me.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Any of 'em! Pick a knife! I've noticed that some (not all) of the same people who slam Noss4 describe knives they own or desire to own as being "hard use" and "bomb-proof." If those attributes were not at least a little desirable in a knife, there'd be no reason or place for a Noss4. To bash Noss4 just for trying to 'please the crowd,' especially if one has ever praised a knife's ability to "withstand abuse," seems rather hypocritical to me.

If you do not specify those people and cite specific examples, you are constructing a rhetorical ploy wherein you mischaracterize vaguely defined opponents in order to discredit others unfairly.

 

[3Guardsmen]

If you do not specify those people and cite specific examples, you are constructing a rhetorical ploy wherein you mischaracterize vaguely defined opponents in order to discredit others unfairly.

Fair enough, but when I do so (compiling quotes as we speak), I'm sure at the dismay of many of Noss4's detractors here, I want it clearly understood that I was asked to do so by you. Does that work for you?

 

[Guyon]

To bash Noss4 just for trying to 'please the crowd,'

There's the rub though. The Great Hockey Mask is all about "pleasing the crowd" with little thought given to the mental shift effected by his single-minded assessment standard. He came in at BFC starving for attention, and his site, forum, etc. all facilitate and complement this desire.

Keep in mind too that one can like large, tough knives and still appreciate the delicacy of a well-crafted slipjoint or the utility of a Mora, etc. I'm sure I've used the phrase "hard use." A search shows that I also once (in 20K+ posts) used the phrase "bomb proof," but I did so in a specific context related to the impressionistic feel of a knife in hand.

The Great Hockey Mask, however, bludgeons knives and assesses them based almost solely on their ability to withstand over-the-top abuse. Seriously, is a Mora Clipper supposed to be a "hard use" knife?

Edited to add: Some people don't realize that some of the antagonism aimed at TGHM stems from how he behaved himself here at BFC. This behavior included annoying cries for attention, unethical demands on a knife company, and just an all-around juvenile mentality. Keep in mind that there are histories here that are connected to his reception. When he couldn't handle criticism, he went elsewhere and set up his dog-and-pony show. Now he just pops in and pipes up when his fanboys tip him off that his stunts are treated as stunts and not the tests he professes them to be.

 

[3Guardsmen]

There's the rub though. The Great Hockey Mask is all about "pleasing the crowd" with little thought given to the mental shift effected by his single-minded assessment standard. He came in at BFC starving for attention, and his site, forum, etc. all facilitate and complement this desire.

Keep in mind too that one can like large, tough knives and still appreciate the delicacy of a well-crafted slipjoint or the utility of a Mora, etc. I'm sure I've used the phrase "hard use." A search shows that I also once (in 20K+ posts) used the phrase "bomb proof," but I did so in a specific context related to the impressionistic feel of a knife in hand.

The Great Hockey Mask, however, bludgeons knives and assesses them based almost solely on their ability to withstand over-the-top abuse. Seriously, is a Mora Clipper supposed to be a "hard use" knife?

Edited to add: Some people don't realize that some of the antagonism aimed at TGHM stems from how he behaved himself here at BFC. This behavior included annoying cries for attention, unethical demands on a knife company, and just an all-around juvenile mentality. Keep in mind that there are histories here that are connected to his reception. When he couldn't handle criticism, he went elsewhere and set up his dog-and-pony show. Now he just pops in and pipes up when his fanboys tip him off that his stunts are treated as stunts and not the tests he professes them to be.

Gunyon, I took care to say "some, not all," when mentioning what I felt was a bit of a double standard in people's dislike of Noss4's "testing." I totally agree that Noss4 acted like an idiot when he first showed up here, and in fact, I posted as much. I have no bones to pick with people who hate Noss4 for behaving like a moron on BFC. I do, however, think people who post about wanting or owning knives that are "bomb-proof," "hard use," or "able to take gross abuse" have no business smack-talking Noss4's "tests" (they can smack-talk Noss4 as a person to their heart's content).

 

[philwar]

By the same token, one could argue that egocentrism and apathy regarding the larger community are serious issues.

I don't see where egocentrism comes into this. As for apathy, are you saying knifetests.com needs to be combated like cancer? If you don't agree with him, apathy would indeed be the way to go.

ap·a·thy (ăp'ə-th&#275
n.

1. Lack of interest or concern, especially regarding matters of general importance or appeal; indifference.
2. Lack of emotion or feeling; impassiveness.

 

[Guyon]

I do, however, think people who post about wanting or owning knives that are "bomb-proof," "hard use," or "able to take gross abuse" have no business smack-talking Noss4's "tests" (they can smack-talk Noss4 as a person to their heart's content).

I see your point, but I don't entirely see the rub. It's perfectly okay to want a tough knife as long as you don't shout from the rafters that toughness is the end-all-be-all quality we should use to judge knives. The stunts performed by TGHM promote this mentality.

It's the very mentality many folks in W&S fight against all the time--the notion that an outdoor knife must somehow be indestructible. This view eclipses so much of what knife use and the knife community is all about.

 

[Guyon]

I don't see where egocentrism comes into this. As for apathy, are you saying knifetests.com needs to be combated like cancer? If you don't agree with him, apathy would indeed be the way to go.

I meant The Great Hockey Mask's own egocentrism.

I meant apathy in the sense of not caring that a "Jackass" view of knives is sometimes the first thing a person encounters when searching for a knife information. And the impressionable often take this view to heart. Folks should realize that there's more to knife usage than beating it into oblivion. So, when topics like this one come up, certain BFC members, myself included, remind people that TGHM is conducting stunts aimed at a "wow" factor and not much else.

Edit: philwar, I'm not worried about you. I'm worried about that 15-year-old who's here with less than 100 posts. He/she should know that this community sees knife usage in a different way and values elements beyond a knife's ability to withstand concrete impact. In other words, TGHM is not going to get a free pass.

There's another element here that bears mention. TGHM's self-promotional stunts, in suggesting that we should judge knives by their ability to withstand ridiculous impacts, promotes a view of technology over skills. That is, if we just have a knife that's tough enough to take anything, then well, we don't really need much else. This view is both false and dangerous.

People should learn to use knives properly, within a reasonable range of their intended function. It disappoints me when I see a young guy complain about his folder because it broke when he was batoning it through a piece of hardwood. Or when a poster bemoans the fact that his fixed blade chipped when he tried to chop up a porcelain toilet. These aren't hypotheticals; I'm referring to actual threads here at BFC. Someone has failed these folks in the basic education of knife usage.

And TGHM doesn't help matters in this regard. His stunts fly in the face of common sense usage, and a lot of knife novices get the wrong idea.

 

[Gaurdian_A1]

Companies that boast to have ultra tough ASEK or SERE knives deserve to have thier knives beat to hell on his website..what else are those knives for other than that? Are you going to buy an RC5 to spread penut butter on your toast in the morning? NO! that knife is mean to have the sh*t kicked out of it..flat out..and RAT backs that knife up.

Look at the knifetests.com test of the SOG seal 2000..that test was very informative and totally useful to watch if you are interested in that knife as a dive knife..The test of Gerbers LMF 2 was right on the money also..

some of his videos on nonsense, others are good and informative,,, and some are just funny to watch.

to many people have seen the knife they swear by get a poor rating on his site and hate him for it....sure,He'd be better off testing sharpened pry bars ( RC5 LOL) but hey, they are knives he bought or had donated to him and he can do with them as he pleases..

Come on guys, its not like he is taking nice bushcraft knives or buck 110's, smashing them to hell and saying they suck and shouldnt be bought..most of the knives he tests claim to be tough if not the toughest knives on the market..

Dont let his tests offend you, if you are smart enough to know that his D tests have no bearing on how good a knife is then who cares.

some of the tests are relevant, some arrent..flat out, thats all there is to it.

 

[Karda]

Only the haters feel passionate about it. The hostility that is triggered by noss4 and his tests points to some serious issues in the people harbouring it.
For the rest of us, it's just interesting and fun to watch.

I think you need to read the 1/2 dozen or so previous knifetest threads. I think you'll find that your premise is dead wrong. In fact 3g is proving you wrong as we speak.

 

[Ankerson]

It's the very mentality many folks in W&S fight against all the time--the notion that an outdoor knife must somehow be indestructible. This view eclipses so much of what knife use and the knife community is all about.

That's not what he is saying at all.

He also does field tests along with the D tests.

Now what he does is take certain knives that have been marketed as being tough or hyped by others as being tough then sees what they can take. Most of his tests are valid, the standard battery of tests he does then IF a knife goes though all of those he continues until it breaks.

IF a knife is tough you should be able to beat on that thing all day long battening ect and it should hold up.

I did a field test on the Busse Tank Buster and really pushed it hard including pounding it though a log and driving it into a stump and smacking it out sideways stressing the knife big time (Broke others doing this) and it held up great.

 

[Karda]

He also does field tests along with the D tests.

Then where are the videos? Last i saw Noss himself said he didnt have time to do "field tests"

Now what he does is take certain knives that have been marketed as being tough or hyped by others as being tough then sees what they can take. Most of his tests are valid, the standard battery of tests he does then IF a knife goes though all of those he continues until it breaks.

What he does is his own hype and then perform stunts, as if he were a circus act. he blatantly abuses knives and then expects to test the warrantee. it is nothing but a Ruse, plain and simple.

IF a knife is tough you should be able to beat on that thing all day long battening ect and it should hold up.

Not in the manner that Noss beats them. If you were to properly baton,you would probaly find that most of the knive he fails would pass the test.

 

[Ankerson]

Then where are the videos? Last i saw Noss himself said he didnt have time to do "field tests"

They are on Knifetests.com.

Not in the manner that Noss beats them. If you were to properly baton,you would probaly find that most of the knive he fails would pass the test

I would say some maybe, because I have broken a number of knives over the years myself battoning properly.

 

[greater]

about Noss's test being fun to watch someone wrote

"I think you need to read the 1/2 dozen or so previous knifetest threads. I think you'll find that your premise is dead wrong. In fact 3g is proving you wrong as we speak."

Oh I find his tests fun to watch and very interesting and I encourage Noss to keep doing them. Don't be such a party pooper. Why appoint yourself as the cyber censor who dropped in from outer space. I think you are way too uptight about this.

 

[Guyon]

Not in the manner that Noss beats them. If you were to properly baton,you would probaly find that most of the knive he fails would pass the test.

Precisely. Responsible knife usage? Or stunts? Everyone gets to pick.

No one here is saying folks don't have choice.

Some, like Karda, are simply pointing out that the "man, he really beat the crap out of that one" mentality misses a bigger picture about knife collecting and knife usage.